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Plague of the zombies
« on: December 17, 2008, 12:26:39 pm »
For my sins, I currently have the extreme misfortune of having to drive 45 minutes to and from work each morning and night in a clapped out old L reg Renault Clio.

It's my old dear's old car, and it's sturdy and safe, but sadly it boasts a little FM/AM radio... the tape deck's busted, and the FM reception's painful on the ear. as a result, I find myself occasionally switching on the five lives and talksports of this world... and from time to time it's a guilty pleasure.

But here's the thing. I've realised that it's bad for me. You can spend your time broadening your mental horizons and maintaining the kind of long-term perspective that puts progress in its proper context, but if you listen to these stations for long enough, it's like supergluing a set of blinkers to your temples, zipping up a Lord Anthony parka over the top of that, and forcing you to sit in a pit of your own effluent (in my case that's not too bad as it smells of freshly baked empire biscuits, but you get my point). And as the joke goes, when the ads finish, the pit monitor turns to you and says "OK mate, back on your head".

Two incidents have given me a long-needed slap in the face over the last 24 hours and made me realise it's time to rip those blinkers off and get back to the view from the clouds, where patterns emerge and long-term progress beckons.

First up, someone posted a glimpse of a group of sadly like-minded souls festering in a pit of their own collective effluent in a thread called "Thoughts on Benitez". Fair play, the poster later emphasised that he was posting an article from another site, and that it didn't represent his own views... but it really introduced me to something i hadn't felt for a long time - nameless dread. the worry that we're being infested by a plague of bloody zombies.

Then I'm sat in my car this morning, only to hear these thoughts echoed time and again by people purporting to be Liverpool fans. Rafa has to go. Rafa is so arrogant that it's going to cost us the league. Liverpool will never get another chance like this to win the league. Blah blah, chuff chuff... people shuffling along the road with their severed entrails glistening the tarmac. Plague of the bloody zombies.

So you reach your work and get out of the car and next thing you know you've done half the distance to reception shuffling sideways and groaning 'Nnnngggaauuuuuuuhhhhh' out the side of your mouth...

WAKE UP!!

Sorry... had a little relapse there.

The thing is, from the clouds, things look reasonably good. We're top of the league. We finished the CL group stages top of our group. We've had Skrtel and Torres out for long periods, we've shouldered sub-par performances both as a collective and from certain players (at times from new additions but also from seasoned pros who we should expect better from)... but still we've somehow found a way to emerge in our current position. All this having been engaged in third or fourth gear for most of the time, and maybe hitting fifth for a few sporadic spells, let alone the sixth we know the squad is potentially capable of when everyone's fit.

But the zombies are gathering outside the Winchester, hungry for chubby Spanish flesh. The camp legendary plastic paddy zombie says Keane's leaving on a jet plane, the rank and file zombies moan that the manager is arrogant, will never win the league, that we'll never get a chance like this again, that the scouting system's fucked up... and meanwhile the militant lunatic zombies tell us rafa's outspent NASA during his tenure and ought to have cured cancer by now.

Meanwhile, inside the boozer, a little compos mentis county, a few sage souls wave and try to catch our attention... ehm... guys - anyone realise our club's in the process of getting an intercontinental transatlantic parisitic bumming?

We need to fend these zombie f_ckers off and remember what's working at the club, despite everything that threatens to ruin it.


P.S.  I realise I post some variant on this theme every so often, but you know what? If you don't like it, then tough... cos I'm going to keep reminding people of it whenever I can.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2008, 12:49:23 pm by royhendo »

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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2008, 12:38:27 pm »
Great post, I'm with you mate.

I cannot believe what is being written/said on these boards.

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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2008, 12:44:31 pm »
It's true though isn't it.
We have emerged from the doldrums and have now got ourselves into pole position and this Raffa bloke arrives and screws it all up....... Oh wait a minute who was driving the bus that is now motoring along the premier league highway. Couldn't possibly be the little fat spanish bus driver... nah

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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2008, 12:47:45 pm »
Yeah, good post. The problem I have with the phone in idiots is that anyone can call up and claim to be a Liverpool fan. Most of the ones that call up probably do 'support' Liverpool (though I imagine that there may be a few other fans claiming to be Liverpool fans), but in reality a lot of them will never go to Anfield, will watch us occasionally - if at all - and won't hold the club close to their heart. There's a difference to these types and people who actually properly care about us, but sadly EVERYONE has a voice in this day and age. It doesn't matter whether you catch any of our games at all. Sadly the media feeds on this type of fan, as it makes for better entertainment than a reasonable, thought out opinion.

The sad thing is that it sounds like this type of fan is now starting to infiltrate Anfield with increasing regularity.

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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2008, 12:49:48 pm »
We need posters like yourself to inject a little, "If ya dont like it, tough shite." approach to it all. We nned to be totally behind the team and management. Not just when it suits us. ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Through the wind AND the rain. Yes, I know we haven't been playing that well and yes, our newbies/oldies haven't been producing but we are TOP OF THE LEAGUE. Full stop. End of.
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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2008, 12:52:57 pm »
We need posters like yourself to inject a little, "If ya dont like it, tough shite." approach to it all. We nned to be totally behind the team and management. Not just when it suits us. ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Through the wind AND the rain. Yes, I know we haven't been playing that well and yes, our newbies/oldies haven't been producing but we are TOP OF THE LEAGUE. Full stop. End of.

I totally agree. Instead of rising to the shite that comes out of some of the bad eggs we should lead by example and show pride not annoyance at the situation we're in. 
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2008, 12:59:35 pm »
I totally agree. Instead of rising to the shite that comes out of some of the bad eggs we should lead by example and show pride not annoyance at the situation we're in.

Too many so-called fans are sucking the positive vibe outta our club, with their negative comments and Rafa-should-go tunes. "It wouldn't be like this in Shanks/Paisley's/Fagan's day." Yer right, it wouldn't, but they had either Shanks wisdom at constructing a new team or Paisley's/Fagan's inheriting a winning squad and bringing in what they needed as oppossed to wholesale changes, as in the case of The Gafa.
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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2008, 01:08:29 pm »
Well said, Roy.

getting an intercontinental transatlantic parisitic bumming

Ouch!

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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2008, 01:14:53 pm »
Great post, I'm with you mate.

I cannot believe what is being written/said on these boards.

Finest supporters in the world ??

Some of the finest moaners in the world more like.

I've got my blinkers on, boarded the bus a long time ago and if some want to wave at the bus as it passes by, so be it.

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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2008, 01:27:51 pm »
The ever-changing mantra of the zombie:

He got lucky in Istanbul, if it wasn't for Istanbul...

Rotation rotation rotation. I'm all in a spin.

Zonal marking, it's all about zonal marking, exploit the weaknesses in zonal marking

Kuyt out Kuyt out Kuyt out Kuyt out

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Next season it will be...

Other teams had a bad year, a bad year, a bad year. He'll never repeat it
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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2008, 01:28:29 pm »
Zombies as in these guys right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjDvMCDI6pQ&feature=related



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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2008, 01:29:18 pm »
i know rafas not perfect but then nor are any of the top managers, who exactly do people think we're going to get thats better. i don't think any other manager could have done better with the situation he inherited, we've improved as a team year on year and are now getting somewhere near where we want to be. rafa going now would be a catastrophic mistake
  every one should get behind him before we end up with someone lik klinsman

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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2008, 01:33:11 pm »
Next season it will be...

Other teams had a bad year, a bad year, a bad year. He'll never repeat it
If we are to win it this season, then I'd like to think that things will improve next year. That would surely prove the masses wrong and give Rafa some more time with both fans and the media. All of Rafa's decisions would be 'vindicated' and it would hopefully prove that he has cracked the English league (whatever that means). It'd be really worrying for the club if things worsened after that, but these days nothing surprises me too much.

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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2008, 01:33:26 pm »
Good shout Roy.

I'm not sure what the problem is with the fans at the minute. Nerves maybe? Everybody been let down before and because we are top of the league and United are one title away from matching us, people seem to think it's now or never, and they're bottling it!

Not sure what we can do about it. The boos and such like are a disgrace, people can't seem to accept that players like Lucas, Dossena, and Keane need time to adapt and want us to play Arsenal football and win every game.

Not gunna' happen.

We all need to take a step back, get behind our team and urge them onto glory, the same way the Kop sucked in Luis Garcia and Stevie's goals in the Champion's league in 2005. We are as big a part of winning the title as the players are, and if we are so desperate to win it, which we are, we should be doing everything we can to motivate our team and support them. It will certainly be more effective than booing and moaning.

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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2008, 01:35:35 pm »

I've got my blinkers on, boarded the bus a long time ago and if some want to wave at the bus as it passes by, so be it.


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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2008, 01:39:07 pm »
Too many so-called fans are sucking the positive vibe outta our club, with their negative comments and Rafa-should-go tunes. "It wouldn't be like this in Shanks/Paisley's/Fagan's day." Yer right, it wouldn't, but they had either Shanks wisdom at constructing a new team or Paisley's/Fagan's inheriting a winning squad and bringing in what they needed as oppossed to wholesale changes, as in the case of The Gafa.

But it did happen.
 
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I would just like to point out that shit happens in football and results like last Saturday will happen again.The supporters have to support the team through thick and thin. We are the only permanent thing at our club and if we can make the difference between 1 point or 3 then that is our job.
 
 
« Last Edit: December 17, 2008, 01:43:35 pm by vicgill »
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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2008, 01:44:42 pm »
But the zombies are gathering outside the Winchester, hungry for chubby Spanish flesh
;D made me laugh that particular bit, great post Roy

Thing is there's many of us who've had a bite, and are now suffering the odd zombie moment, the occasional transient penchant for flesh, which for me personally is number four on Mayo's list in that it's symptomatic of another condition, creative attack dysfunction.

However, my immune system is fairly strong and so I remain upbeat and positive about the future - that's not to say some therapeutic intervention isn't need along the way, both for the club/team and the supporters.
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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2008, 01:45:42 pm »
Great post Roy.

It's amazing how often I hear so called supporters at work bemoaning what happened at the weekends game and what they're saying is almost word for word what Andy Nay, or Mark (Not very) Bright said on their shows.  Zombies indeed.
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« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2008, 01:48:15 pm »
Some should realise we are here bcause of him, not in spite of him

That's the point, if you spend any time listening to or watching these 'experts' that precisely the impression you would get.

'If it wasn't for Rafa we would have won the league in October..'
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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2008, 01:48:45 pm »
great thread again roy and another killer title.

nothing actually needs to be added as you've said it all already but no doubt by this time tomorrow the thread will be filled with the usual divs saying 'everyone can have an opinion' and its ok to boo if you feel like it.

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« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2008, 02:02:35 pm »
Great thread.

Liverpool are top of the league and in the last 16 of the Champion's League and yet I've found myself struggling to post on RAWK recently, so many idiots to disagree with. It's not just the talksport and the wanker hat muppets, they're gathering in record numbers. And it's the same old shite all the time...



He got lucky in Istanbul, if it wasn't for Istanbul...

Rotation rotation rotation. I'm all in a spin.

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Too negative, too rigid, too organised, too stubborn. Will never win the title until he grows some balls...
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« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2008, 02:05:54 pm »
Great post Roy.
 
Good to see you realise the gun above the bar is loaded. 
 
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« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2008, 02:20:59 pm »
we have lost 2 games this season, 1 was in a minor tournament and the other was after one of our best performances of the season - is there actually a problem.

We are under dogs, 4th favourites and being written off - that's how we like it.

A leapfrog from 4th to 1st with the situation at our club and the players we have would be a miracle but Rafa will not get the credit he deserves.

Fans have to realise we may have to go through agony this season to achieve number 19 as to expect to win the title without having ever challenged for it and without the feeling of losing out on the last day is a big ask.

Expectation kills our club, it strangles the atmosphere and suffocates the players.  The expectation was to have a challenge and now it is to win it.

People refer to if we had beaten so and so and if Torres was fit but maybe we were never meant to win the games, there are no cakewalks now, every team has quality and spends money and they realise if they play a certain way they can get points from the big 4.  Maybe teams will all limit the big 4 to draws and someone like spurs or villa will sneak up the table in years to come.

United will bemoan the loss of Ronaldo, the problems with Berbatov. Chelsea will lament the loss of Drogba, Arsenal will be dissapointed at their performances but when it boils down, we are top of the prem and topped our cl group.  The three major comps are still up for grabs so we have lost one game in the carling and 1 in the prem.

We could be way ahead but is it realistic to expect us to have only lost 4 points by now, using villa and spurs as the acceptable point losses.

I know we say these home games are must wins but how can we win them without our best striker?

Pre season would you have taken our best ever cl group effort and being top of the league without torres and keane firing?

Arsenal could be out of the race on sunday, Chelsea do not look great under scolari, United have games in hand and dont have ronaldo firing and it is rare to have a great season after the double so that leaves us.

We can do it this year but if we don't, finishing within 5 points or so off the top and taking it to the wire will still be a great season.

When you are close you often don't win anything like Arsenal endured with their battles with United.

We have the chance to go 4 clear on Sunday and the title is in our hands , can people really complain?

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« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2008, 02:25:50 pm »
oh... and we're currently 5.9 on betfair to win the league - 3rd favourites.

value?

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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2008, 02:31:54 pm »
Well said!   :wellin  Most of what has been written on RAWK since Saturday would have been funny if it had been in the Liverpool Are Shite thread. But because it's not, I could hardly believe my eyes! I've been positive all my life, but this season even more so. Not the result we wanted? Fuck it, there's always next week! Tactics wrong? Fuck it, different tactics might have led to a worse result? Wrong substitutions/rotations? We could always have Eric Meijer and Sean Dundee on the bench! Injuries? Quick recoveries, just like Skrtel!

To some people on here, it's like we're at Alton Towers. They could go on Oblivion but they know that the instant highs are followed by fast swamping lows, and all the way up the hill, they won't enjoy it because they're shit scared of the drop. Well cheer up you miserable fuckers because we could always be in the queue for the Corkscrew, knowing that all we'll be doing is going round and round, never getting very high or fast, and doing the same old shit! So bah humbug to the pessimists and go get fucked to the naysayers! Get behind the team, players and manager, and enjoy this ride more than ever!

Having said all that, if the zombies all looked like this, I say bring 'em on!   :P

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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2008, 02:35:11 pm »
Then I'm sat in my car this morning, only to hear these thoughts echoed time and again by people purporting to be Liverpool fans. Rafa has to go. Rafa is so arrogant that it's going to cost us the league. Liverpool will never get another chance like this to win the league. Blah blah, chuff chuff... people shuffling along the road with their severed entrails glistening the tarmac. Plague of the bloody zombies.

So you reach your work and get out of the car and next thing you know you've done half the distance to reception shuffling sideways and groaning 'Nnnngggaauuuuuuuhhhhh' out the side of your mouth...

I used to set my alarm clock to wake me up with the radio in the morning and I'd listen to TalkSport breakfast show with the fat drunkard and the other cricket manc as I lay in for half an hour.

They always used to read out e-mails by some twat calling himself 'The Pompey Kopite' who had an agenda of murder towards Rafa. After a few weeks of listening to this I realised they always gave priority to the whinging, screaming, hysterical, spineless, no-nothing knee-jerk pricks that proclaim allegiance to our club. And I became obsessed with hunting some of the recurrent ones, embodied in that fuckwit from Portsmouth, hunting them down and strangling them all.

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« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2008, 02:35:20 pm »
incidentally, thar be zombies... this is the collective shit pit i was referring to

http://www.liverpoolfc-newkit.co.uk/cgi-bin/forums/ikonboard.cgi?s=34321192a50f9d443f4602b008a9088b;act=ST;f=1;t=25275

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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2008, 02:39:32 pm »
incidentally, thar be zombies... this is the collective shit pit i was referring to

http://www.liverpoolfc-newkit.co.uk/cgi-bin/forums/ikonboard.cgi?s=34321192a50f9d443f4602b008a9088b;act=ST;f=1;t=25275

Well to be fair apart from saying that he wants a change which i dont agree with you cant really argue with the points he (original poster) makes, they are pretty balanced.

I think people need to ignore the real reactionary core of those who call for the managers head mid season. I dont see anything wrong in criticism if its justified.
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« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2008, 02:50:35 pm »
you cant really argue with the points he (original poster) makes, they are pretty balanced.

hmmm... well, not everyone would agree with you walshy...

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=234157.0

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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2008, 02:57:53 pm »
Hansen made a very good similar point recently about the fans getting on players backs and how it affects them negatively.

While I do accept we are maybe a player or two short of the side Rafa is aspiring too, overall I am pretty happy with the progress this season.

People slag off Lucas because he is no Gerrard - Jesus he is not that bad, he is young, has character and will develop. Kuyt is no Torres or Ronaldo and never will be except for fleeting moments.

We have what we have and we should get behind them unconditionally.
I remember the criticism that some fans had for those who proudly exulted "In Rafa we Trust". Yes maybe that is blind allegiance but this is the time for some loyalty and maybe a little blind faith.

IN todays climate, I really dont think some of our heroes of yesteryear would have stood a chance.
Sammy Lee is one of my all time favorites and with todays fans I dont think a Sammy Lee would stand a chance at Liverpool.
He would be written off as too slow, too fat, too short and booed just like Lucas has been.
Booing a guy who is genuinely trying his fucking heart out is a fucking disgrace and it is not the Liverpool way.


A problem with many of these fans is not the players or the teams performances.
In my opinion they are more upset having to read criticism or take a bit of slagging from work colleagues, and transfer their anger and inability to deal with this to our manager and players.
Yes it is passion but misdirected passion.

Consumerism is also to blame, we are too accustomed to getting what we want and no longer appreciate the effort or cost to get it - life is too easy and we become increasingly demanding.
This spirit of solidarity between Liverpool fans and its team was moulded through hardship and having to do without.

As an older fan I appreciate our hardworking players more.
I bet half these fans couldnt tell you why Mascherano is a good player, they know he is good because that is what it written in the papers. He is a typical Liverpool grafter, we have always had grafters in our team, our success was built on it. If the scum tabloids wrote that Lucas was one of the best young prospects they would be lapping it up. Rafa's believes in him, that should be enough for the fans.


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Rafa's job is coach the team.
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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2008, 03:03:34 pm »
hmmm... well, not everyone would agree with you walshy...

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=234157.0

Well thats because most where disgusted with the opening paragraph which ruins his points before he can get it across :).

Its been my only bug bear with Rafa his lineups and subs, although admitedly not in europe and early doors this season where the subs seemed rational (and not just because they produced positive results).

However i agree, its laughable listening to some people. Even if we were mid table i'd rather we finished the season with the manager at the helm but to ask for it when we are top, whether i think we are faltering or not, is just ridiculous.

I do wish however things could calm down a tad. theres a lot going on that could hinder our title bid, a bit of unrest with certain players and some odd decision making which the media is doing its best to stir up much more than it appears. A good result Sunday will hopefully remedy this, with the likes of Agger, Babel and maybe Keane getting some playing time under the belt to dispell the rumours.

We need all our players motivated, even if they havent had a the greatest of starts this season and that includes Ryan, Dan and Robbie, they arnt poor players, just players struggling for some consistency and confidence.

Would help too if Rafa could revert back to his early season decision making, since Fulham his stance has changed somewhat and its a tad worrying for me.
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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2008, 03:12:21 pm »
Hansen made a very good similar point recently about the fans getting on players backs and how it affects them negatively.

While I do accept we are maybe a player or two short of the side Rafa is aspiring too, overall I am pretty happy with the progress this season.

People slag off Lucas because he is no Gerrard - Jesus he is not that bad, he is young, has character and will develop. Kuyt is no Torres or Ronaldo and never will be except for fleeting moments.

I see what you are saying but the problems arrive when some of these players are played ahead of the better personell - thats what gets peoples goat. As you say Lucas isnt terrible - but he's not Xabi Alonso, a man who has been in form this season, so when Rafa uses Lucas over Xabi no matter what his excuse is bar injury and he doesnt get the result, rightly criticism comes his way.

And Keane, yes hes struggled, but by in large a better option surely than Kuyt up front on his own? And i like Kuyt but he doesnt suit that role, keane doesnt really either but hes the lesser of two evils.

I believe we should always start strongest, strongest lineup bar injuries and then theres no comebacks on the manager. Results happen and crap happens - i saw an old video of Coventry City banging in four past us when we had a lineup consisting of Hansen, Souness, Rush, Dalglish, Lawrenson, lee, Neal etc but you know that was no doubt our strongest team having a bad day, it happes and its acceptable but only if the best are out there, theres no room for 'what ifs' then. At times Rafa judges players as if they are all at the same level but thats painfully untrue, someone like Lucas for example is only backup (at this moment in time in my opinion) to the far superior Alonso and Mascherano.

I think thats were the frustration comes from.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2008, 03:14:20 pm by walshys_mullet »
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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2008, 03:17:40 pm »
Excellent post, as ever, Royhendo.
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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2008, 03:17:40 pm »
Great thread.

Liverpool are top of the league and in the last 16 of the Champion's League and yet I've found myself struggling to post on RAWK recently, so many idiots to disagree with. It's not just the talksport and the wanker hat muppets, they're gathering in record numbers. And it's the same old shite all the time...




With you all the way on this. While I wouldn't want us to be all Billy Big Bollocks thinking we had won it already - some of the doom and gloom tossers that have infiltrated the ranks are acting like we are in a relegation battle - FFS WE ARE STILL TOP.

We are now in a position that we have only fucking dreamed of for far too long (longer than most of these zombies have been red I guess) - half way stage and WE ARE STILL TOP (a great feeling - especially considering all the shite going on off the pitch).

We are in a title race at last - with all the ups AND DOWNS that entails. It must be that these fucking zombies cant remember what a massive rollacoster ride that can be. The low of going 2 down at home to Hull - the high of the 2 quick SG goals - the low of the final whistle - the anticipation while waiting for George to read out the results / listening to the radio to find out how the 'others' have done - the slightly dirty feeling of betrail you get cheering for West Ham for 90 mins and the high felt at the final whistle knowing WE ARE STILL TOP.

It has been a long time coming this challenge - and I for one will be disappointed if we don't win the league this season - but I will be buoyed by the fact that at least will DID challenge and I will be like a coiled spring waiting for the new season to start to go through it all again. What I wont be doing is spewing the 'Sack Rafa' - 'were shit' bile that these zombies are doing while WE ARE STILL TOP. 

And its that last paragraph that really gets to me - I am used to the media, my bitter blue brother, my manc and gooner mates (fuck me, even the Leeds mates) etc taking the piss over the last decade and a half writing us off before the race has even started - but I never thought that when out time came to have another serious challenge, it would be our own so called 'supporters' that would be doing it - WHILE WE ARE STILL TOP.

So a quick message to the zombies - please fuck off as far away from me as you can and let me enjoy every bit of the rollacoster ride of a title challenge, the anticipation - the agony - the ecstasy - the highs and the lows - I have waited too fucking long for this only for your moaning and bellyaching and BOOING to be all I can hear while we are in the middle of the challenge and WHILE WE ARE STILL TOP.

You bunch of sad fucking c*nts.


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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2008, 03:18:15 pm »
incidentally, thar be zombies... this is the collective shit pit i was referring to

http://www.liverpoolfc-newkit.co.uk/cgi-bin/forums/ikonboard.cgi?s=34321192a50f9d443f4602b008a9088b;act=ST;f=1;t=25275

That discussion board has a total of 28 registered members - now that's niche - puts the rattle to shame.
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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2008, 03:31:45 pm »
Enjoyed that.

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It was 13th April 1985 and my manc mate was giving me shite about us flukey scousers. Paul Walsh (?) had just taken the semi final to a replay, everton were top of the league (?), and despite another successful season in Europe, the cracks were beginning to widen in this early eighties team.

We had become like Man Utd are now – a team not liked very much and a team that had this habit of turning 1-0 wins into 5-0 wins courtesy of an Ian Rush brace/hat-trick and a habit of winning games 1-0 or drawing games we did not deserve to, again normally courtesy of Ian Rush. For Rush see Ronaldo.

As a wide-eyed 11 year old who occasionally got to a Liverpool game and stood either perched the other side of that white wall on the Kop or right down the front hands on red rails looking up at pitch level, I seem to recall any bickering and slagging off of players was done ‘in-house’. In the clubs and pubs as I scoffed by shandy bass and beef and onion crisps, moustached men counter-argued the strengths and weaknesses of Kevin McDonald. For Kevin McDonald see Lucas.

This was the age of Radio 2 Sports Saturday, ITV breaking the barriers of live Sunday football. Canon, Crown Paints and Candy. No internet, no Sky Sports, no 5Live, no shite Talk.

Everyone has an opinion now. No matter if its right or wrong we are drip-fed it enough times as generic so it seeps into your mind and you are immediately on the defensive when someone mentions Rotation or calls Rafa negative.

The press haven’t helped us much. Not much has been said of Fergie when he has got it wrong – but then he has all those league title behind him which sort of makes him untouchable. Beyond reproach. And so their supporters follow the same lead. Feed the scousers, do they know its Christmas time? I’ve always wondered why they sing that song for Rooney? I wonder if he likes it? Or perhaps the Park song which ends in that wonderful witty remark about scousers eating rats in a council house. Either way – I am sure they are singing about Rooney in a jokeful ironic way and not about a city and a team they are not even playing.

So here we are 2008 and we are hearing boos in the Kop, we are seeing the superfan sat there waiting to be entertained. We are waiting for No. 19 to come to us – not us going after it, us the fans. We allow these boos to surface and shake our head – we distance ourselves away from them. Sometimes its good to fight in-house – go to the back of the Kop and sort it out between us selves.

A snap shot of what we actually need and miss from the old days was captured as I left my seat in the half empty Kop at 5.00 last Saturday. Dirk had just given us his usual clap and most of us who can see the work-rate and honesty from the lad were returning the applause. Then as Hull City, a huge city but with small club mentality, were making their way to the tunnel a few of their players in scenes normally reserved for lower league cup teams, acknowledged a few hundred Kopites giving them applause. They returned the gesture and just for a few moments, there was a little love-in that can only normally happen at Liverpool. Like the clapping of an opposition goalie, this is why we are different. But part of me had not liked the way Hull had played that day and I stayed neutral to this act of sportsmanship. I stood impassive. A scouser just behind me though let his feelings know to us all. ‘Why you clapping them c*nts for you gob-shites?’ And on the applause went oblivious to this lads, and a few others around him, disgust.

And then I thought – its still alive. This conflict amongst our ranks – of how we should support the team. Of which players should play every week. Its still there and that’s the way it should be. Except now it is taken out of the ground, out of the pubs, into the papers, onto the radio, and around the world.


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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2008, 03:37:36 pm »
what a great post rafas3leggedtable. really enjoyed that.

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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2008, 03:44:08 pm »
I'm not sure what the problem is with the fans at the minute. Nerves maybe? Everybody been let down before and because we are top of the league and United are one title away from matching us, people seem to think it's now or never, and they're bottling it!
Just to show how meticulous Rafa is, he used his column during Euro 2008 just what was expected of us (just replace the Spain with LFC).

Unconditional support for Spain.  But unconditional in the good and bad times.  It’s not support depending on the result; to criticize in a destructive manner there is always a time, and besides, it’s the easy thing to do.  When someone is fully immersed in a competition, the important thing is to have unity, to respect and back the decisions taken by the people in charge and to do everything possible for things to go well.  If the people in charge decide to play a certain style and choose the men they deem adequate to put it to practice, we must accept it and not side ourselves depending on the scoreline.  It’s more honest to give an opinion based on reasoning beforehand so that you can back it later unconditionally.

...For all these reasons, I insist on: unconditional support first and then constructive analysis until the Euro Cup is over, then there’ll be plenty of time for the summary trials.


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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2008, 03:51:23 pm »
Great post.

What I find a bigger problem is going to the match, moaning the entire time, and it affecting the players.

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Re: Plague of the zombies
« Reply #39 on: December 17, 2008, 03:56:21 pm »
That discussion board has a total of 28 registered members - now that's niche - puts the rattle to shame.

That forum has a few more members than 28(it's just a gliche ) and i've been a member since 2004 ,same username as on here . I assure you and people on here that we are not all zombies and that the majority on there do support rafa and what he is trying to do at our club . It's all about opinions though and the freedom to put them opinions into text .
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