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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #160 on: February 28, 2020, 11:49:16 am »
that lap from perez was on c3s

looks a good time that

1   Ricciardo      Renault      1m16.276s     C5
2   Leclerc      Ferrari      1m16.360s     C5
3   Hamilton      Mercedes      1m16.410s     C5
4   Perez      Racing Point   1m16.658s     C3
5   Sainz      McLaren      1m16.820s    C4
6   Kvyat      AlphaTauri      1m16.914s    C3
7   Russell      Williams      1m17.018s     C4
8   Grosjean      Haas              1m17.037s      C4
9   Raikkonen      Alfa Romeo   1m17.415s      C3
10   Albon      Red Bull      1m17.803s      C2
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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #161 on: February 28, 2020, 12:07:45 pm »
Sainz did his time early on in cooler conditions. Perez a little later on, which makes it an even better looking time.

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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #162 on: February 28, 2020, 12:37:39 pm »
Brundle mentioned before testing the started that a season with no regulation changes historically bunches the pack up and testing times seem to back that up.

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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #163 on: February 28, 2020, 03:10:33 pm »
   Verstappen      Red Bull      1m16.805

on c2s

thats a good un

edit, another half a second off it for Max, on the c3s

bottas quickest on a 116.1 on the c5s
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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #164 on: February 28, 2020, 07:02:41 pm »
New series of F1 drive to survive has just dropped on Netflix

Should get everyone in the mood
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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #165 on: February 28, 2020, 07:14:09 pm »
FIA: "After thorough technical investigations, the FIA has concluded its analysis of the operation of the Scuderia Ferrari Formula 1 Power Unit and reached a settlement with the team. The specifics of the agreement will remain between the parties."

"FIA and Ferrari have agreed to a number of technical commitments that will improve  monitoring of all Formula 1 Power Units for forthcoming  seasons as well as assist FIA in other regulatory duties in F1 and its research activities on carbon emissions and sustainable fuel"
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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #166 on: February 28, 2020, 09:26:19 pm »
BuT ThE FiA OnLy wAnT MeRcEdEs tO WiN

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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #167 on: February 28, 2020, 09:29:53 pm »
So.... the sudden loss of power of Ferrari was just what it seemed.... they’d pushed it rather too far
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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #168 on: February 29, 2020, 10:06:30 am »
New series of F1 drive to survive has just dropped on Netflix

Should get everyone in the mood

The start of E3 - Danny Ric talking towards the camera “Netflix are a fucking bunch of c*nts aren’t they”  ;D

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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #169 on: February 29, 2020, 12:24:38 pm »
The start of E3 - Danny Ric talking towards the camera “Netflix are a fucking bunch of c*nts aren’t they”  ;D

He's piss funny isn't he

It's a really good series this one. More involvement of the big teams who obviously watched the first and thought we will get involved now.

I have watched it all already
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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #170 on: February 29, 2020, 04:50:56 pm »
So.... the sudden loss of power of Ferrari was just what it seemed.... they’d pushed it rather too far

Looks like it, but the wording from the FIA and keeping it all a secret is pretty bad, it implies that Ferrari have done something illegal with their engine, but we dont get to know what that was and how far they broke the regulations by, and they got a mystery punishment which is even less than a slap on the wrist because its not public and got buried on a friday evening. The teams must be furious at this.
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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #171 on: February 29, 2020, 07:53:52 pm »
I wonder if they just didn't have anything in place to actually prove exactly what was done and are trying to brush it aside to save as much face as possible.  Taken care of, move on, nothing else to see... etc...

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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #172 on: February 29, 2020, 08:05:12 pm »
He's piss funny isn't he

It's a really good series this one. More involvement of the big teams who obviously watched the first and thought we will get involved now.

I have watched it all already

Only up to E4 so no spoilers please.

Love that Merc are more involved, touching tribute to Niki. But then nothing at all on Charlie Whiting seems a bit off.

I have a feeling a lot of the Danny Ric footage will be re-used in a few years when Renault is a write-off.

I really, really want to go and have lunch with the Sainz family in Majorca.
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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #173 on: March 1, 2020, 08:29:33 pm »
Only up to E4 so no spoilers please.

Hamilton won.

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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #174 on: March 2, 2020, 02:54:29 pm »
ok ill work on a past season review out of boredom

1990 it is

hope yous will like
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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #175 on: March 3, 2020, 06:33:19 am »
Just finished Drive to Survive episode 4 of season 2.  S*n journalist around the 30 minute mark is a complete c*nt.  Who would have thought, right?  Toto looked like he wanted to punch his lights out, which I'd have loved to see.  Really enjoying this series so far even if SP has spoiled the ending.
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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #176 on: March 3, 2020, 07:34:44 am »
Just finished Drive to Survive episode 4 of season 2.  S*n journalist around the 30 minute mark is a complete c*nt.  Who would have thought, right?  Toto looked like he wanted to punch his lights out, which I'd have loved to see.  Really enjoying this series so far even if SP has spoiled the ending.
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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #177 on: March 3, 2020, 10:05:52 am »
Aye thought that myself, like a prerequisite for working for them.

"Are you a piece of shit? When can you start?"

 ;D

Yeah, deffo seems that way.  It's not like I was predisposed to dislike the guy either, because it wasn't until Toto said something along the lines of "you want me to give you a headline for The S*n?" that I knew who the journo was (other than him being a complete twat obviously).  At that point I was like "ah right, that explains it".
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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #178 on: March 3, 2020, 01:52:08 pm »
Not to be taken as entirely instructive about the pre-Australia running, but interesting nonetheless...

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1233475707784720384

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Formula 1 @F1
Fastest lap by each team after 6 days of #F1Testing...



7:35 PM · Feb 28, 2020·TweetDeck

Mercedes - C5
Red Bull - C4
Renault - C5
Ferrari - C5
Racing Point - C3
McLaren - C4
Williams - C5
Alpha Tauri - C4
Alfa Romeo - C5
Haas - C4
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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #179 on: March 3, 2020, 02:30:38 pm »
Be more indicative with tyre compound showing too.

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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #180 on: March 3, 2020, 11:04:35 pm »
Vietnam has pretty much banned travel form Italy.... so ....that’s going to be interesting
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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #181 on: March 4, 2020, 08:49:53 am »
ok the 1990 Review

part 1

1989 ended controversially and 1990 wasn’t any less. In the second last race of that season a collision between Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna appeared to have put both out of the race but Senna (who was largely blameless) kept going and won the race only to be disqualified for what seemed a bullshit decision from FISA and FIA chief Jean Marie Balestre. Senna wasn’t going to forgive or forget.

No longer team mates, Prost moved to Ferrari as the defending world champion while another former world champion in Nelson Piquet moved to Benetton after 2 poor seasons with Lotus.

A mind boggling 39 cars from 20 teams competed in 1989 but numbers inevitably began to dwindle with weaker teams struggling for money. The odd number was because the Eurobrun team ran just one car, surprisingly the team expanded to two cars but Coloni and Osella went back to just one car meaning the field was 38. Over the winter both Rial and Zakspeed withdrew from the sport but the introduction of the Life team meant a field of 35 cars would compete.

26 cars would be granted an exemption from the pre qualifying system set up to weed out slower cars. New teams and teams with the worst results from the previous half season would go into pre-qualifying. Larrousse-Lola, Osella, Eurobrun, AGS, Life and Coloni were the teams that would compete. The 9 drivers would fight to finish in the top 4. If you were outside the top 4 your weekend was done, but if you made it through you then competed with the 26 other cars in qualifying across both Friday and Saturday with the top 26 cars starting the race.

In short. 9 cars pre qualify, slowest 5 eliminated with fastest 4 joining 26 other cars in qualifying proper. In qualifying a field of 30 cars competed for 26 spots in the race on Sunday. (the 4 slowest cars were eliminated much like the 5 on pre qualifiers).

Two tyre companies also competed with Goodyear supplying 13 teams and Pirelli providing 6 teams with tyres including the Tyrrell team who only made their decision the week of the first race. 

Teams, engines, drivers and tyres (P-Pirelli and G-Goodyear)

FERRARI (G)
1.   Alain Prorst- defending world champion
2.   Nigel Mansell – 15 time grand prix winner

TYRRELL FORD (P)
3.   Satoru Nakajima
4.   Jean Alesi

WILLIAMS RENAULT (G)
5.   Thierry Boutsen
6.   Riccardo Patrese

BRABHAM JUDD (P)
7.   Gregor Fiotek, who would move to onyx making way for David Brabham.
8.   Stefano Modena

ARROWS FORD (G)
9 Michele Alboreto, 5 time race winner
10 Alex Caffi, replaced for two races by Bernd Schneider

LOTUS LAMBORGHINI (G)
11. Derek Warwick
12. Martin Donnelly, replaced for two races by Johnny Herbert

OSELLA FORD (P)
14. Oliver Grouillard

LEYTON HOUSE JUDD (G) (previously known as March)
15. Mauricio Gugelmin
16. Ivan Capelli

AGS FORD (G)
17. Gabriele Tarquini
18. Yannick Dalmas

BENETTON FORD (G)
19. Alessandro Nannini, replaced for two races by Roberto Moreno
20. Nelson Piquet, former 3 time world champion.

SCUDERIA ITALIA DALLARA FORD (P)
21. Emanuele Pirro, replaced for two races by Gianni Morbidelli
22. Andrea De Cesaris

MINARDI FORD
(P)
23. Pierluigi Martini
24. Paolo Barilla, replaced for two races by Gianni Morbidelli

LIGIER FORD (G)
25. Nicola Larini
26. Philippe Alliot

MCLAREN HONDA (G)
27. Ayrton Senna, 1988 world champion
28. Gerhard Berger, 5 time race winner

LARROUSSE LOLA LAMBORGHINI (G)
29. Eric Bernard
30. Aguri Suzuki

COLONI SUBARU
(G)
31. Bertrand Gachot, the team switched to a Ford engine mid season.

EUROBRUN JUDD (P)
33. Roberto Moreno
34. Claudio Langes

ONYX FORD (G)
35. Stefan Johansson, later replaced by Gregor Foitek
36. JJ Lehto

LIFE RACING ENGINES (G)
39. Gary Brabham, later replaced by Bruno Giacomelli
The team used their own in house engine but for two races switched to Judd engines.

ROUND 1 Phoenix, a bonkers qualifying and a new star in Alesi

Qualifying in phoenix was as I said bonkers, although Gerhard Berger taking pole on his McLaren debut wasn’t unusual the sight of Pierluigi Martini’s Minardi lining up 2nd and Andrea De Cesaris’s Dallara 3rd very much was. Both them and the impressive Olivier Grouillard in the Osella in 8th wouldn’t even score a point all season but benefitted from Pirellis softer stickier qualifying compounds. Roberto Moreno lined up 16th in a Eurobrun in one of only two races that car qualified for all season.

It meant the Ferraris of Prost and Mansell lined up 7th and 17th while Nannini’s Benetton was a lowly 22nd. In the race Jean Alesi (himself a fine 4th on the grid)leapt into the lead and soon Senna was up to 2nd. On lap 34 inevitably he passed Alesi but to everyones shock, Alesi cheekily barged his way past Senna one corner later. Everyone loves to see the establishment stood up too and F1 had a new hero.

One lap later Senna repeated the move and this time closed the door on Alesi who furiously tried to get the lead back for several corners and it was amazing to watch. The order settled down as Senna won from the gutsy Alesi. Thierry Boutsen was 3rd for Williams with Nelson Piquet 4th and Stefano Modena was a fine 5th for Brabham whose future looked bleak as late as that week. Alesi’s team mate Satoru Nakajima made it a better day for Tyrrell with a fine 6th 

For a further piece of trivia, Fridays qualifying decided the grid with Saturdays conditions too wet for anyone to improve but surprisingly the quickest drivers on Saturday were Martin Donnelly and Roberto Moreno with both drivers ahead of the likes of Senna, Mansell and Alesi.



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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #182 on: March 4, 2020, 10:41:31 am »
Mercedes, Red Bull, McLaren, Renault, Racing Point, Alpha Tauri and Williams sign a statement saying they will "pursue full and proper disclosure" in Ferrari engine controversy and "reserve our rights to seek legal redress"

They say they will "pursue full and proper disclosure" and "reserve our rights to seek legal redress".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/51736247

This just got serious....
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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #183 on: March 4, 2020, 11:54:17 am »
Mercedes, Red Bull, McLaren, Renault, Racing Point, Alpha Tauri and Williams sign a statement saying they will "pursue full and proper disclosure" in Ferrari engine controversy and "reserve our rights to seek legal redress"

They say they will "pursue full and proper disclosure" and "reserve our rights to seek legal redress".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/51736247

This just got serious....

The only teams not to sign are Ferrari, Haas and Alfa Romeo who use Ferrari engines.

Well it wouldn't be F1 without off-track drama.

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« Reply #184 on: March 4, 2020, 12:05:13 pm »
The only teams not to sign are Ferrari, Haas and Alfa Romeo who use Ferrari engines.

Well it wouldn't be F1 without off-track drama.
To be fair, I think the FIA had this coming with that whitewash investigation.

Of course the other teams are going to want answers.
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« Reply #185 on: March 4, 2020, 12:34:05 pm »
Vietnam seems to have an excuse for not going ahead now.

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« Reply #186 on: March 4, 2020, 08:33:12 pm »
Mercedes, Red Bull, McLaren, Renault, Racing Point, Alpha Tauri and Williams sign a statement saying they will "pursue full and proper disclosure" in Ferrari engine controversy and "reserve our rights to seek legal redress"

They say they will "pursue full and proper disclosure" and "reserve our rights to seek legal redress".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/51736247

This just got serious....

Spicy.

It was always going to happen, I dont know what the FIA were thinking releasing such a vague statement. The other teams were never going to just go "oh alright then".
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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #187 on: March 5, 2020, 06:29:31 am »
Its vague because they cant prove anything. Ferrari had more engine scrutineering than any other manufacturer last season and they couldn't find anything. They knew something was up they just couldn't find what it was.
They found a loophole most likely and exploited it.

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« Reply #188 on: March 5, 2020, 07:40:12 am »
Its vague because they cant prove anything. Ferrari had more engine scrutineering than any other manufacturer last season and they couldn't find anything. They knew something was up they just couldn't find what it was.
They found a loophole most likely and exploited it.

I’m not sure hiding something well classifies as a loophole.

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« Reply #189 on: March 5, 2020, 08:03:08 am »
I’m not sure hiding something well classifies as a loophole.

What did they hide then? Just because the FIA couldn't detect anything doesnt mean it was hidden.

On top of that its pretty naive to think all the teams aren't doing similar things for performance gains. Throwing stones at glass houses springs to mind.


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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #190 on: March 5, 2020, 08:08:56 am »
What did they hide then? Just because the FIA couldn't detect anything doesnt mean it was hidden.

On top of that its pretty naive to think all the teams aren't doing similar things for performance gains. Throwing stones at glass houses springs to mind.

Linudden, is that you?!


I mean have you anything to back up that any other team were doing similar things? If they were then begs why Ferrari were getting such a massive performance advantage from doing it.

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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #191 on: March 5, 2020, 08:46:43 am »
part 1
part 2

ROUND 2 Brazil
Qualifying had a more familiar look with home boy Ayrton Senna on pole and he was desperate to win his home race for the first time. He lead the first 40 laps without issue while Thierry Boutsen was up to second after passing Berger however he botched his pit lane entry and clipped his tyres and equipment breaking his front wing and would eventually finish 5th. Up top Senna clumsily crashed into backmacker Nakajima and dropped to 3rd. to make matters worse it also handed victory to his arch enemy Alain Prost who took his first Ferrari win ahead of Berger.

Mansell was 4th with Boutsen 5th and Piquet 6th.

ROUND 3- San Marino

There were changes down the grid, Gregor Foitek moved from Brabham to Onyx replacing Stefan Johansson while David Brabham moved into the team bearing his name and founded by his father Jack. Davids’ brother Gary had left the Life team, the car which had a very strange in house w12 engine was crap, having broken down in just 4 laps in Phoenix it lasted only a few 100 metres in Brazil when mechanics revealed they didn’t put oil in because they hadn’t been paid. “what next? Brake fluid” thought Gary who packed the team in.

Gary was actually supposed to take the Brabham drive but confusion over his contract meant he missed out and he never drove in f1 again, mind you given he has been jailed and convicted of being a rapist kiddy fiddler don’t feel sorry for him. You can feel sorry for Bruno Giacomelli who took over the hopeless device (which would set a best time of 7 minutes and 16 seconds), while down at Dallara, Emanuele Pirro took his seat for the rest of the season having missed two rounds ill.

Senna was on pole ahead of Berger but Boutsen again passed the latter to go second, this became the lead when Senna retired early on. When Boutsen retired with engine trouble Berger emerged in the lead although he did perform an aggressive defence against Mansell resulting in the Ferrari doing a  360 spin but staying in the race, that was until Mansell’s engine also let go.

Berger was on the verge of a win which would see him lead the championship until he was passed by Ricciardo Patrese who took his first win in 7 years. Nannini took 3rd with fastest lap ahead of Prost with Piquet 5th and Alesi 6th

Standings
Drivers:
Senna 13, Prost and Berger 12, Patrese 9, Alesi 7
Teams:
McLaren 25, Williams and Ferrari 15, Benetton 10, Tyrrell 8
 
ROUND 4 – Monaco, Senna and Alesi shine again.

Senna was again on pole by Tyrrell’s new revolutionary high nose car was raising eyebrows with Alesi 3rd on the grid. Alesi elbowed past Prost at Mirabeau on lap 1 but when Berger tried the same move the collision resulted in a blocked track and a restart. For 30 laps the order was Senna, Prost, Alesi, Berger, Patrese and Boutsen.

Prost and Patrese then ran into trouble briefly allowing Derek Warwick and Nigel Mansell into the points. Senna did enough to hold off the very impressive Alesi with Berger a close 3rd. Boutsen was 4th and after Warwick and Mansell retired Alex Caffi was a fine 5th for Arrows while after a collision with then 6th place Gregor Foitek in the Onyx, Eric Bernard took the last point for Larrousse. Alesi’s performance in the nimble Tyrrell had the big boys fighting for his signature. He ended the day 3rd in the drivers championship but remarkably failed to score a point for the rest of the year.

ROUND 5- Canada

Senna was on pole once more alongside Berger who jumped the start and was giving a rather ridiculous 1 minute time penalty. After an early Senna stop Alessandro Nannini briefly lead from Alesi however Nannini’s car struck a gopher of all things to drop him down the order and he later spun off into the barriers, at the same spot some 5 laps later Alesi spun too and with the Benetton still in the barriers Alesi walloped the thankfully empty wreckage with both cars badly written off but both drivers unscathed.

Berger actually crossed the line 1st by some 44 seconds but his time penalty bumped him to 4th behind Senna, Piquet and Mansell. Prost was classified 5th, a net one second behind Berger while Derek Warwick scored a much needed point for Lotus.

Round 6 – Mexico, Ferrari make their move aided by a famous overtake

Berger took pole for the first time since Phoenix with Patrese 2nd, Senna 3rd and Mansell 4th. Alain Prost was a miserable 13th. Senna took the lead at the start while Piquet advanced to 2nd, Prost made steady progress with both he and Berger making early stops. Senna held the lead until 9 laps to go when his tyre burst and he was out. Prost and Mansell were now 1st and 2nd but an aggressive move from Berger saw him elbow past Mansell with 3 laps left.

Then it happened, with Murray Walker building everyone's excitement Mansell pulled off an absolutely incredible overtake just before the final lap started, he unbelievably roared round the outside of Berger and the dangerous high speed hairpin (the Peraltada) to take 2nd. It probably overshadowed the fact Prost had won from 13th on the grid. The move has to be seen to be believed, it is truly hair raising stuff.
Berger almost retook the place again on the last lap ending a thrilling battle, Nannini, Boutsen and Piquet rounded out the points.

STANDINGS

DRIVERS: Senna 31, Prost and Berger 23, Alesi and Mansell 13

TEAMS: McLaren 54, Ferrari 36, Williams and Benetton 20, Tyrrell 14

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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #192 on: March 5, 2020, 08:59:39 am »
Linudden, is that you?!


I mean have you anything to back up that any other team were doing similar things? If they were then begs why Ferrari were getting such a massive performance advantage from doing it.

Yes Renault were contravening rules only last year and they got caught for it.

What's Linudden got to do with anything also? I haven't even stated what team I follow, if any. Quite presumptuous of you.

As I said before, It's likely ferrari found a performance gain and exploited a loophole as many other teams have done in the past. That's why if you look at the wording in the FIA statement ( https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-ferrari-settlement-rules/4716688/) it points to loopholes and ones that can now be addressed going forward.

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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #193 on: March 5, 2020, 09:04:55 am »
Yes Renault were contravening rules only last year and they got caught for it.

What's Linudden got to do with anything also? I haven't even stated what team I follow, if any. Quite presumptuous of you.

Because the line defending Ferrari saying everyone is doing it (without anything to back that up) is very him.

Renault was slightly different in that from a technical perspective it was legal. From a sporting it wasn’t. They also didn’t try to hide anything.

Plus that’s not all now is it.

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« Reply #194 on: March 5, 2020, 09:09:27 am »
This joint statement is a serious bombshell. There hasn't been this kind of consensus against the FIA since the early 80s with the FISA-FOCA War, which got very messy.
What did they hide then? Just because the FIA couldn't detect anything doesnt mean it was hidden.

On top of that its pretty naive to think all the teams aren't doing similar things for performance gains. Throwing stones at glass houses springs to mind.



It is true the Mercedes have been oil burning in their engine but Ferrari have taken it to another level by having an illegal fuel flow level (allegedly). What they seem to have been hiding is a method of pumping fuel which circumvents the fuel sensor that the FIA run on the cars to prevent teams from going over the 110kg/hour fuel flow limit. This year, the FIA have now mandated that there are two of these sensors on the cars so you can't cheat the system and this would suggest that that is what Ferrari had been doing. Nevertheless, getting a statement like this from 7 teams indicates that there is consensus that Ferrari have done something dodgy, otherwise the FIA surely say that the engine was legal?

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« Reply #195 on: March 5, 2020, 11:56:26 am »
What did they hide then? Just because the FIA couldn't detect anything doesnt mean it was hidden.

On top of that its pretty naive to think all the teams aren't doing similar things for performance gains. Throwing stones at glass houses springs to mind.
If the FIA couldn't find anything wrong with the Ferrari why didn't they just say so rather than saying they've reached an agreement?

This is black and white, either the engine was legal or not.
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« Reply #196 on: March 5, 2020, 12:24:03 pm »
The FIA has conducted detailed technical analysis on the Scuderia Ferrari Power Unit as it is entitled to do for any competitor in the FIA Formula One World Championship.

The extensive and thorough investigations undertaken during the 2019 season raised suspicions that the Scuderia Ferrari PU could be considered as not operating within the limits of the FIA regulations at all times. The Scuderia Ferrari firmly opposed the suspicions and reiterated that its PU always operated in compliance with the regulations.The FIA was not fully satisfied but decided that further action would not necessarily result in a conclusive case due to the complexity of the matter and the material impossibility to provide the unequivocal evidence of a breach.

To avoid the negative consequences that a long litigation would entail especially in light of the uncertainty of the outcome of such litigations and in the best interest of the Championship and of its stakeholders, the FIA, in compliance with Article 4 (ii) of its Judicial and Disciplinary Rules (JDR), decided to enter into an effective and dissuasive settlement agreement with Ferrari to terminate the proceedings.

This type of agreement is a legal tool recognised as an essential component of any disciplinary system and is used by many public authorities and other sport federations in the handling of disputes.

The confidentiality of the terms of the settlement agreement is provided for by Article 4 (vi) of the JDR.

The FIA will take all necessary action to protect the sport and its role and reputation as regulator of the FIA Formula One World Championship.

Sounds to me like the FIA know Ferrari were cheating but can't be bothered to fully investigate the matter.
 


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Re: The 2020 Formula 1 Thread
« Reply #197 on: March 5, 2020, 12:37:22 pm »
funky it is exactly what it sounds like

particularly when you see paragraph 2 and 3
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« Reply #198 on: March 5, 2020, 12:51:33 pm »
Well that’s a shitshow of a statement, they’d have been better off saying nothing than saying that.
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« Reply #199 on: March 5, 2020, 04:53:50 pm »
If the FIA couldn't find anything wrong with the Ferrari why didn't they just say so rather than saying they've reached an agreement?

This is black and white, either the engine was legal or not.

They couldn't find or even prove anything illegal on the engine.

I'm not even saying what Ferrari was doing was strictly legal (I have no idea!) but unless you can actually prove someone is cheating then you cant punish them because you are suspicious. The action they took is part of there own judicial system.


Sounds to me like the FIA know Ferrari were cheating but can't be bothered to fully investigate the matter.
 
  No they dont know, that's exactly why they've gone the route they have. If they knew, they would prove it and then Ferrari punished for it. As if they can't be bothered.

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