Topic: Harvey Elliott (Harvey Daniel James Elliott)

[MonsLibpool]

Nope they man marked all game.

They dropped deeper when Mo came on.

Tactically, they were very good. It was clear that they did their homework.

[Schmidt]

At this present moment in time, he's not a starter. He is far more effective from the bench whether he likes it or not.

It's not that black and white for me, and I said the same when people were arguing he should be starting every game.

He suits certain types of games, those that are more open and those where the opposition doesn't leave their box for 90 minutes. That's why he's really good off the bench, usually when he comes on either the game is stretches or the other team are penned into their own defensive third.

The Atalanta game was pretty much the worst fit for him, and moving him into the front three just compounded the issue as we left ourselves with little space to exploit on the rare occasion that we beat their press.

[MonsLibpool]

He was inches away from scoring and he created a good chance that was skied. If the scoreline was favourable then the narrative changes.I would start him in the middle but he did a lot better than some of our out of form players. Szobo, for example, came into the game and stunk the gaff out while Grav is still adapting and Jones is rusty.

On the balance of performances,  he deserves to start when the alternatives are considered. Losing 3-0 doesn't mean everybody played poorly but performances are seen in a more negative light when we lose just like how felt Gakpo had a poor game.

[Draex]

I just think its proper weird to play him where Salah plays, how Salah plays and expect Salah levels.

If Elliot is playing right forward you need your right back overlapping creating the width allowing Elliot to come inside and use his brilliant crossing ability and through the lines passing. Inverting Gomez and playing Elliot on the wing was another of the bizzare set ups we've seen too many times.

[JackWard33]

The under use of him in midfield the last couple of months has made no sense

[Kuytinho]

What this fella needs to do for a run of games in midfield, I have no idea. Don't understand him being behind Endo, Szobo and Jones in the pecking order, given his recent performances.

And the idea of being a Salah deputy in this system, with his skill set, is completely lost on me.

[duvva 💅]

The under use of him in midfield the last couple of months has made no sense

Yep been baffling to me. Not really been given the chance to show his great sub appearances can be prolonged over 90 mins. So no one can say he’s better off the bench, he’s not had chance to prove that one way or the other

[Haggis36]

The under use of him in midfield the last couple of months has made no sense

Just all round weird use - started games he probably shouldn't and in positions he's not great in as well, but in games you think he'd excel in he's not getting a sniff.

[kop306]

harvey used to be klopps go to sub whenever he made changes

strange how he didnt come on sooner today

we need more creativity from midfield next season

[RyanBabel19]

Bizarre utilisation of him to be honest (and Gakpo at the moment IMO), he’s always showing positive drive, influence on the game and decisive actions but he ends up back on the bench hoping to get afforded enough time to change the game

It’s 100% born out of frustration but I was so annoyed seeing him coming on with 10 to go, just felt a bit like he was being tasked with way too much with way too little time to pull it off

[JP!]

Bumping this because it's far more interesting than talking about Nunez...

I can't fathom people who don't rate this lad.

[Draex]

Playing 90mins away from home and being the best midfielder.. Well played Harvey.

[Boaty McBoatface]

Deserves to keep his place. If it's between him and Dom to start on the right side of midfield, I'd pick Harvey.

[kasperoff]

Class player. Well played Harvey.

[Knight]

Lovely play for the 2nd. Wins the ball in midfield, tells Endo to go away and plays a vertical pass through the lines for Gravenberch. Nothing about it was particularly 'hard' but it was all really well executed.

[y2w902]

Mixed game for me but he does have quality and had some nice moments.

[red1977]

Fulham fans are twats. Chanting wanker at a young lad who used to play for them. Weirdos.

[FlashingBlade]

to be honest I was booing him after that free kick : D

[carling]

Really odd from the Fulham fans.  Is there a story behind it we are missing?

Hardly seems like Figo to Madrid.

[Buster Gonad]

Had a pretty good game. Gave us loads of energy which was something we lacked lately. Hard to expect him to be great in a much changed team and without a run of games

[jepovic]

Not a popular opinion perhaps, but I think he was poor. Didnt help in buildup, missed a lot of passes, but mostly just far too passive for a creative midfielder.

[duvva 💅]

Incredible energy again from Harvey. Not always at his best with the ball. But always available and involved. Hope he starts again Wednesday

[stjohns]

Fulham fans are twats. Chanting wanker at a young lad who used to play for them. Weirdos.

Was at the cup match and his every touch was booed. They're not a bad bunch really but that was pathetic.

[stjohns]

Really odd from the Fulham fans.  Is there a story behind it we are missing?

Hardly seems like Figo to Madrid.

Classic sore jealousy. Buggered off to a better team and they don't like it.

[Redley]

Classic sore jealousy. Buggered off to a better team and they don't like it.

When he was a kid though, it’s properly odd.

[decosabute]

Wasn't always spot on with the ball, but his energy is phenomenal. Really drove us on today I thought. Would still have him on the bench for the Derby because it'll be physical, but he deserves some starts over Szoboszlai on current form.

[jepovic]

When he was a kid though, it’s properly odd.

Played 2 games, proper club icon 

[StL-Dono]

He clearly has loads of talent and can be a game-changer at times, but I still can't help but think he's better used as a 30-minute man as opposed to a starter.  To me, he's looked the best and had the most influence when he's subbed in and not so much from the starting XI.

[kop306]

Really odd from the Fulham fans.  Is there a story behind it we are missing?

Hardly seems like Figo to Madrid.

we got harvey very cheap , compared to what he should have cost us

[harryc]

Can’t doubt his energy must be putting in Jimmy type numbers for miles run. But still think he is better coming on as a sub.

[Sheer Magnetism]

Really odd from the Fulham fans.  Is there a story behind it we are missing?

Hardly seems like Figo to Madrid.

We paid a relatively tiny sum through a tribunal. Taking Carvalho probably didn't help either.

[farawayred]

We paid a relatively tiny sum through a tribunal. Taking Carvalho probably didn't help either.

Both were record sums at the time, weren't they? I don't know how we could classify it as peanuts... Compared to his value now, yes, but back then?

[Sheer Magnetism]

Both were record sums at the time, weren't they? I don't know how we could classify it as peanuts... Compared to his value now, yes, but back then?

Nowhere near. We paid £1.5 million for Harvey, possibly rising to £4.3 million, while Carvalho was £5 million for a 19-year old who was a first-team regular at a team that had just run away with the Championship.

[farawayred]

Nowhere near. We paid £1.5 million for Harvey, possibly rising to £4.3 million, while Carvalho was £5 million for a 19-year old who was a first-team regular at a team that had just run away with the Championship.

I thought that the £4.3m was the tribunal fee for Harvey. For Carvalho we shook hands with Fulham, IIRC, we did not go to tribunal, but £5m was the rumored fee. If they were willing to sell and we were willing to buy at that fee, that's the market price, isn't it?

Edit: Just found it. £4.3m for Elliott when he makes 100 games for us and gets a national call up.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/feb/11/liverpool-to-pay-fulham-record-fee-for-harvey-elliott-after-tribunal-ruling

[carling]

I thought that the £4.3m was the tribunal fee for Harvey. For Carvalho we shook hands with Fulham, IIRC, we did not go to tribunal, but £5m was the rumored fee. If they were willing to sell and we were willing to buy at that fee, that's the market price, isn't it?

Edit: Just found it. £4.3m for Elliott when he makes 100 games for us and gets a national call up.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/feb/11/liverpool-to-pay-fulham-record-fee-for-harvey-elliott-after-tribunal-ruling

So they got a record fee for a 16 year old, but wanted more than double the record.

Not sure it quite warrants the vitriol!

[thaddeus]

So they got a record fee for a 16 year old, but wanted more than double the record.

Not sure it quite warrants the vitriol!

I don't think it's to do with the fee - it's because a player they had developed in their academy (sort of, they pinched him from QPR the season before) pushed for a transfer instead of signing a professional contract.

We got £50m for Sterling but you'd do well to find a single Liverpool fan that had a good word to say about him.

[JP!]

I don't think it's to do with the fee - it's because a player they had developed in their academy (sort of, they pinched him from QPR the season before) pushed for a transfer instead of signing a professional contract.

We got £50m for Sterling but you'd do well to find a single Liverpool fan that had a good word to say about him.

That was a bit different, what with him joining a rival and all.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

I don't think it's to do with the fee - it's because a player they had developed in their academy (sort of, they pinched him from QPR the season before) pushed for a transfer instead of signing a professional contract.

We got £50m for Sterling but you'd do well to find a single Liverpool fan that had a good word to say about him.

How old was he when he signed for Fulham from QPR ?

[Redley]

I don't think it's to do with the fee - it's because a player they had developed in their academy (sort of, they pinched him from QPR the season before) pushed for a transfer instead of signing a professional contract.

We got £50m for Sterling but you'd do well to find a single Liverpool fan that had a good word to say about him.

I'm not sure we're the Fulham in that example!

Did QPR used to boo Sterling when we played them, back when they were in the PL?

[BassTunedToRed]

I was at the game today, I don't get to too many. Just wanted to mention Elliott applauding the travelling fans at the end as he did it for longer than any of the other players, some of whom didn't do it all.

Top man, Harv.