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Win!
« on: May 17, 2018, 11:43:01 am »
Though I know I'll never lose affection
For people and things that went before
I know I'll often stop and think about them
In my life I love you more

Allow me to explain, if you will. Youll need coffee. Tissues optional. Heart necessary. Fortitude compulsory.
 
If 2011 was the season that started me, this season could so simply have been the one that finishes me. Back then, so many years ago, I became a father for the first time. I also became a season ticket holder around then too so rather atypical of me I went to as many matches as I could (yes, I know not much seems to have changed). League, League Cup, FA Cup, Home, Away. I changed my daughters nappies sometimes too. My perfect little angel looking at me looking at her and being as cliche as a first time dad is supposed to be. She has lived her journey to Liverpool FC in her heart through my eyes first and now through her own. Shes seen Klopp get hammered at Anfield and then the madness that is Dejan Lovren against that team that got hammered at Anfield. She walked out and held her own on a floodlit pitch when we played the Mancs and if the world ended that day all would have been fine for me. My daughter, the mascot for Liverpool. My family completing a jigsaw of my football life, my very patient wife and my reason for everything, my little girl.
 
The result was 0-0 because Maureen is Maureen and De Gea is just, well, De Gea. 16/17 season tale of tape for United.
 
16/17 also led to another side of life. Death. It comes in many ways and is indiscriminate. It is the inevitability for everyone. It was an ending for a family member that we never wanted to happen. I went to a funeral. I supported my wife. I went to Anfield to forget for a while. I went to Anfield to pray for three points. I went hoping. We went home with one (Chelsea, Mignolet gifts, we recover, Mignolet denies Costa). The earlier mentioned indiscriminate nature also applies to Liverpool. Its there. Constantly. A city I love and hopefully some part loves me back and people whove embraced me and taught me how hurt can be harnessed to fight. Theyll never know it but will now. Jim Sharman and Phil Scraton showed me how to see Red when all appears black. My heroes. Our mates.
 
Liverpool. A city that I ran to in March 2017 jubilant when the wife was told me she was expecting. Ill spare the how of that discovery but suffice to say it came to lift the darkness. Wed only just got over the dog arriving! Life comes at you fast and my other hero and mate Bobby Firmino made Arsene Wenger feel the same scoring the first in a 3-1 dissection of Arsenal. This week was a good week in the Harinder household. Just that knowing of another soul coming to share what they have with you was almost overbearing as a thought at times. Excitement and dread, it had been a while since a nappy had been changed, filled me. A few tears too and they were all happy ones. I dont think I could say the same for Arsenal TV that day.
 
Spring turns to Summer and Summer meant new beginnings and the season beginning. Qualifiers against Hoffenheim and mad things against Watford. Both for and against! Folks who know me well wouldnt be surprised at me having a real timetable and itinerary for things. Matches I could make, podcasts, Antenatal outpatients and anything and everything went into it. A predicted date of end October had been given but I always planned for a month prior. Just in case, like. Highs of Arsenal were missed because folks wanted things like holidays and lows like City away werent. Sevilla draw, Spartak draw. Leicester with a Canadian Talisman of Victory. Moscow wasnt as cold as I thought it would be but I needed sleep! The false dawns of October also meant I went into baby lockdown early. Some were happy to get to matches because I wasnt and I sat there wondering where it all went wrong!
 
I jest, nobody sits when a mother to be is nesting :)
 
Saturday 4th November, 2017. This day defines me now more than any other. You may know it as West Ham away. The morning broke just like the first waters and the dash to hospital was done in 10 minutes. Here each minute flew like seconds and then they suddenly stopped. Nothing moved. No-one moved. He didnt move.
 
Please move.
 
Please.
 
I needed him to move. Something. Anything. Just a finger or something. I wasnt picky. The backdrop to all this is missing of which I am acutely aware so let's rewind time a little. 8.30am is horrible point of any day. Working week you're either stuck in the commute or contemplating being somewhere much too early for meaningful function. As blood pressure monitors rocketed (we were an evening kick off folks) I was greeted by a word you don't want to see at the point. Consultant. Two of them. "Lucky me!", I thought. "Why are you here?", I thought. "Save them" is what they thought. Pre-eclampsia is just as horrible as it sounds. Lying to your wife is infinitely worse however but a necessary evil at that time. The next thirty minutes of stress to a little boy who didn't know the world outside are indescribable. To date I don't think I've fully explained that period to my wife, I don't think I have it in me. I went to hospital to go home with two new lives and the plan of returning with none was not one I was prepared for. It wasn't my reality on possibly one of the most auspicious days in my life. It may shock you to learn that I'm Sikh. If I've hidden it well then my incognito skills are improving! This date coincided with a very auspicious date in that side of life's calendar too and so all this on this day of all days put me in a daze that I needed to snap out of.
I cannot go home alone. I just can't.
 
Please help. Anyone.
 
I'm not supposed to be alone. This noise is a quiet storm but there is no shelter here. No place to hide. Help.
 
9.11am. He's here. We're back. Back to the why of please move, please cry please anything but never please take him away. They took him from me and I cried like I cry now. My daughter never had this. You gave her to me to cut cords and everything so why? Why are you doing this? A door closed and my wife is smiling and I don't know why. I'm someone who's lived a life of knowing. When people ask I try to answer, when people need help I help and when need to function I function. Why don't I know what is happening now?
 
Why isn't there a smile anymore?
 
South park were so very right. Drugs are bad. As that once rocketing blood pressure started dropping nobody looked out for plummeting. That word came back and went to work fixing things. At some point in this melee my new-born son came back. Entering resplendent like a king he just shone. His eyes looking at everything and his face radiant and bright. So so bright it hurt. We cry some more fam, as Troopz would say, and he gurgles. He has given me all that I ever wanted in an instant forever. His mother isn't looking at me though and we're back to the why's. We have to return with two. We have to for all things to make sense for me. The clockwatching stopped and all I ever wanted changed. I don't even recognise who I am pleading with anymore but please. Not today.
 
9.22am. We're all back in the room. The consultants too. No longer words I don't want to see or comprehend. Mother and baby are together and I'm trying to desperately hold on to reality here. Check date, time, weather, headcount (I kid you not) and just breathe. If you really do see life flash before your eyes at the point you say goodbye to the world then being on the walkway to saying goodbye in such circumstances feels worse. I'll let you know if I'm right when I get to saying goodbye! 17.30 kick off though against West Ham so we'll be here for a good while yet.
 
I want to sleep forever. This phase of time repeats. To this day I don't know what was in my head completely. You have a new-born in your arms and as your heart is at its fullest you do what comes naturally. Sahib (he has a name you'll be glad to know) has eyes closed. I play with his feet and it's five little toes on each side. I play with his hands and why is back. The Empire of Why is striking back in a ruthless nature and I'm dying inside. I know I am. I'm sure I am. Not H.A.P.P.Y. The words are back. They have no words for me for now. My son has five fingers on left hand. My son has two fingers on right hand. Holding, grasping and searching isn't changing a thing. Three is not a magic number when three are missing. Please can everything just go back to normal? Where are they? Why are they hiding? Why?
 
Why did I take away her smile?
 
I really don't like why. I didn't like how I couldn't be in control of emotions any more. I didn't like what I did not know. I did not know what was wrong and I'd never felt so alone. I cannot explain why I continually searched Sahib's right hand for three fingers between thumb and little finger. Hindsight tells me they weren't going to be there and it was all a big mistake somehow. Every scan, every image, every heartbeat seen prior showed me a life waiting to enrich ours. None of them would have seen this. None of them would have changed a thing. Kick off still would be at 1730. My son didn't want to see his first match though. He just wanted to sleep and pee on daddy. The period between the sporadic tears and self-kick up backside to the first prognosis of what happened is frankly a blur. I know I made my way out of hospital for a while to break down. I think I had to in order to reset. The senses associated with incoming congratulations to overflow you with hope springs eternal came thick and fast as nobody knew the last few hours. I had no-one to tell because I had no way to start. The beginning wasn't clear and the end is something I was still waiting for.
 
We won. I know this. I watched as my wife slept and my daughter Daya came bursting with joy into the room with my mother. Both of them totally oblivious to life in these four walls until visiting time starting. Flowers, balloons, badly written cards (my mum always one for few words of sentiment) and Daya. Lots of Daya. Daya means "to show compassion". Sahib means to be a Master/Lord. A true gentleman in conduct and spirit. Whist he conquered milk and "that" poo, I mastered smiling without falling apart. Salah scored, Matip scored, Ox scored, they scored, Salah scored. Lots of orange running everywhere and all Liverpool's Gods shone brightly to mark the day. I can truly say I needed that. More than anything I needed distraction. I needed part of my insides to reconnect with a world that was making me deeply saddened. I needed hope.
 
Poland. Poland, Poland, Poland...Poland. More apt than anyone can imagine as I'll explain later. Sahib was born with Poland Syndrome. A rare sporadic, non-genetic condition which affects the growth and development of the right arm and right chest area when in womb. Think Jeremy Beadle for an easy reference respective to small right hand. In Sahib's case everything fine and then right hand impacted. Human capacity to this day has always astonished and impressed me. I can write freely about the syndrome and describe it as well paint the picture of the impact. The bit leading up to it, as per above, is the tipping point. It's the nudge that can send me into a place I call "I don't really want to go home today" or the opposite of that which means we can defeat all on comers. It seems a bit dark and defeatist to openly state that but I'm not what anyone could ever describe as a closed book. What you see really is what you get.

In respect to it being mental health week too I feel it's even more important to not hide that sentiment. I've had to go there to know why. It's not peculiar either. Going home if I'm feeling down or besieged by the thoughts of my old enemy "Why?" isn't a nice thing. It's not nice for my daughter to see it or my wife for that matter. It happens sometimes. For those times there are smiles. There are loud baby noises that stop me and stop any thought of tears. There is hope. There is the shift from draws/losses to wins. There is the shift from maybe to will be. There is the hope that life imitates the art on the pitch. There my soul rests. There my Liverpool helps me breathe easier again. It knows nothing of my pain but it knows of pain. It knows of helping. It just doesn't need to know me. It just needs to let me be here so can I come in?
 
I don't drink (boring). Don't do recreational drugs (boring/sensible, you decide). My nights out are on the motorway these days because roadworks without anyone working is apparently all the rage these days! I fly early and come back early so sleep is luxury item. I do this for sanctuary. A place of safety away from living. Anfield doesn't really know me as I'm one of many. It becomes my centre as I sit right at its centre in the King Kenny stand. An away crowd doesn't really know me as I'm a face amongst the faceless and I like that. There is no prejudice for me or who I am and it is the effective bubble to drift away in. I can get lost in it all from the time I leave the house to the point I return. I travel mostly alone (bloody really boring) and I can think whatever I need to. I can break down, I can sob uncontrollably and I can do it knowing nobody has to see it. I can do it knowing that when the car stops and I'm going through turnstile nobody knows. I've come for this strange peace found amongst the bedlam of a Salah spectacular or the beating sound of a crowd who want the same thing as me when I am there - a win.
 
I want to win. So badly. Every piece of me reverts to a child who's having his favourite toy taken away when we're losing. That sinking of heart and hollowness exacerbates the further we get away from coming back. My rationalisation of any loss is now much easier than when it was when I first started out on watching us play. Kids change that I think. You don't want them to see the pain of a loss so you get over it faster. In my case I just know the face that walks through that door must be strong. I've seen some very dear friends not hold that face together. I don't judge them. I know what they know to be like that. They've fought longer and harder for nearly 30 years and will carry on doing so.
 
The winning. We win so well. Hoffenheim, Maribor and again, Spartak, Porto, City, City and Roma. All seen, all victorious but not all plain sailing during October/November. Sahib's first away was Porto. As he slept dreaming of Kiev, I had the pleasure of being recognised by Billy Hogan. Nice fella, likes numbers, would do well on AI! Taking a 3 month old child to a stadium is not a good idea so I didn't and again my ever patient wife had him all settled in to watch from the hotel. I went and got drenched in the rain and 5-0 does something to you when soaking wet. It makes you forget the weather. It makes you forget the squelching noise. It lets you dream a dream. I have had so many for Sahib. I know the only limitations to them are in my head and therefore nothing will stop him from anything. I sometimes forget that. I sometimes forget why too.
 
I can count on one hand the number of people I've opened up to about all this. The first call was the deepest. I phoned my best mate and literally cried all the way through it explaining the maths of who nearly never came home. It helped. The only other time that had happened was telling relatives of the passing of my father in 2010 because nobody else knew how to start. I started with one, the rest followed. With Sahib I started at one and ended soon after at two.
 
When you're brave and filled with a courageous spirit you can achieve. I'd like to believe Liverpool felt this when we smacked City 4-3 in January and I'd like to believe it's because I was in the aforementioned states when telling my own friends what had been going on for the past few months. Again, I stumbled. Again, I asked why of why for the umpteenth occasion. I wasn't sure about going home. Every time I say that it saddens me a little because home is where the heart is. My home isn't broken, far from it. My home's nice and has people I love in it and nearby (you know who you are). My home though has me in fear of just slipping when I feed Sahib. The mask slipping, the charade of togetherness being shattered and every little splinter showing weakness. Those are low points. Genuinely. I am reminded by a voice inside that you can go searching to open up your feelings but where will you open when the whole world is in pain about something? The answer isn't to stay closed. The answers aren't all about three points either. The answer comes in smiles. The person greeting you. The photo sent to you of a coy childish moment. The memory triggered that takes that haze away.
 
An Alex Oxlade Chamberlain goal within ten minutes of that match.
 
How does football do this to you? I can track pretty much every bit of living and loving by the matches I've been at but this season more than most. The Champions League has mirrored every sentiment of my last 8-9 months or so. Agony, ecstasy and the abyss in between. I never ever believed a victory like Porto was possible. I still can't work out how we scored 5 or whether we had the right to do so I don't anymore. I don't because I know life is teaching me to get beyond "why?". I have to. Waiting for "why" to turn up and deliver a perfectly reasonable explanation is not likely to happen. The punishing, pulverising, scintillating, devastating and netbusting goal from Oxlade-Chamberlain relieved more pain that say than he will ever know. Sahib's first visit to Liverpool. He saw a city and slept while his dad dared to dream. I saw a Man City and let go a little. I could forget some anguish. The guilt though traps you. The guilt though led to resolve, much needed resolve to cope with a first half the following week when down 1-0 after 2 minutes. Me and time bonded in November so passages of trauma are more easily navigated. We won. It helped more to forget the first half. Kiev was booked and as fate would have it via a route that was destined to happen. Via Warsaw, Poland.
 
Do you remember the last time you just held on to your child/children as a baby? Not for reasons of protection due to fear or to stop them from hurting themselves but just because. It's you and them. The views from the windows around you blur away and the myriad of thoughts inside you begin to slow down. You piece together a make believe of little things and everything is so warm and at a oneness with your child. I do this often now. He holds my finger and inside I'm falling. I'm not failing though because I know this cycle passes. The falling will end and we float back up slowly. He's oblivious to a thinking switching from what lies ahead to what it will take for glories in Kiev? This feels better than before. This feels like Roma. It feels like a systematic dismantling of an old adversary and it feels right. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and up and a little back but that's ok. Nothing can be wrong with our Egyptian King and his majestic goal after goal. Nothing can be wrong with a Sadio Mane who will end this tie. Nothing can be wrong when Roberto Firmino wants to make sure of that. The away leg if you were wondering was just as it was meant to be with a predictable glory touched with a period of late drama but destiny already written. Now, where have we read about that today?
 
And I feel fine. Finer if that's possible. I can be ok again with everything. I can be at ease knowing I haven't lost. I can see them, touch them, feel them, hold them and stop myself from being sucked in by the Why monster. I like this feeling because of all these matches. Each one letting me forget and each one letting me heal. I needed to heal more than I realised. I could pretend everything was sunshine and happiness but it caught up with me hard. As Liverpool grew, I followed. They took me everywhere and then brought me home. My friends too. Back in one mental piece to be ready for the unknown and I am grateful because it's like winning again. A win by not going down the road to a sad place that makes me not want to go home. All that remains is a win. That win. Number 6. As my friend will reveal in Kiev "We've Come to Take You Home"
 
Football is back knocking loudly. I don't want it to end because I want it to help me more. I want it to carry on picking me up as it has done repeatedly without bias. I want it to write the history so that when my son or daughter see this later in life I can tell them how the story ends. Everyone loves happy endings and it's about time we had one. It has to be a win for so many people. We all weather storms in our own way, just like we climbed that hill in our own way. It's time for this win. It's destiny. I'm prepared for a loss should it happen but I've been there, wore that t-shirt and never been as relieved as the time came to take it off. I want a win. I want to see what we saw at the end of Roma away. I want to tell Sahib that in the season of his birth he achieved greatness in helping fix his slightly broken dad along with this team. I want to tell Daya that every little note and card mended so many broken fences inside me. I want to tell her that when she loves Liverpool like she does now what it does to me. I want to tell my wife she gave me these gifts. I want to tell them all they give me life and let me reconnect. I don't forget to tell myself they did too.
 
This is a lot isn't it? If you've made it this far I'm already in awe of you. I'm in awe of many things this season and top of that list is Resilience. Good old fashioned hardened resolve. My forefathers had it in abundance. Our collective Liverpool fanbase equivalent did too. It lost a little of its mojo at times but everyone loves comebacks and this season it's been a resurgence I have felt like no other. It's probably always been there and just this time around I'm feeling it more because I need it. I don't know. It may be selfish of me to feel this way but it works for me and if it's good enough for me, it's good enough for you! And yes, if he scores another two then can he make sure others do too so it's coming home with us? Just as the song at the beginning says I know I'll never lose affection as that test came and went and most fittingly due to the people and things that went before.
 
I know I'll often stop and think about them and In my life I will love you more. Forever.
 
« Last Edit: May 18, 2018, 03:23:33 pm by Harinder »
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Re: Win!
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2018, 03:27:00 pm »
Some may have already this earlier elsewhere. It hasn't been easy but I hope this makes anything difficult a bit easier to talk about.
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Re: Win!
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2018, 03:56:28 pm »
Brilliant Hari.

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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2018, 04:06:06 pm »
I'm not crying, you're crying.
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2018, 04:11:37 pm »
Having a lazy Friday pm and just read it all and what a harrowing yet beautiful thing to read - must have got something in my while reading  ;) I hope writing it helped you to process what happened.

I can't even begin to think what you must have gone through. I don't know you personally but have seen the contribution you have made to this site as well as other causes and you always come across as a top quality person.

I'd just like to wish you and your family all the best and hope that that the season of little Sahib's birth has an extra special ending.

It really would be fitting.

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Re: Win!
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2018, 04:28:20 pm »
Walk on Harinder Walk on

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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2018, 04:35:02 pm »
Thank you all
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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2018, 04:49:39 pm »
Beautiful for it's truth and honesty, that you're brave enough to share. So often the victories and defeats we witness on a football field are entwined with the our lives and when we tell our stories the starting point might be the football but the football isn't the most important part.

For those of us who love the rational, sometimes the hardest thing to do is to learn is the occasions when we need to stop asking ourselves why, because from sitting on our parents knees, why, is how we relate to the world, how we understand, how we find the shortcuts that help us survive, how we build up our worldview that has always been tested by the question why?

Realising that sometimes we might start with why, but it isn't the most important thing, isn't easy and can seem impossible but it's the process of realising that, that allows us to move on and as difficult as it has been you've started that process and that will benefit all of you and what comes across reading that is the deep love your family share.
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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2018, 04:56:42 pm »
Thank you Harinder for your courage and openness in sharing this story with us all. You yourself are a massive inspiration to many - and if anyone is enduring or has endured similar circumstances with family, perhaps feeling alone in their pain, may they take some comfort in knowing that their own story could be shared, resulting in taking comfort from the support and love from others.

Truly, my friend, you'll never walk alone and you can call on me any time of day, any day of the week and any time in the year, 24/7 so to speak :thumbup

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Re: Win!
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2018, 05:43:46 pm »
Beautiful Harinder, just like little Sahib.

I am sure all on here will share with me when I say, you'll never walk alone. 

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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2018, 06:03:55 pm »
Thank you again. I wish I had strength to open up sooner but much to process before I could
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Re: Win!
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2018, 06:26:12 pm »
What a beautiful baby boy you have Harinder..

Ive just started taking my boys to anfield, and it means so much to me in ways they wont understand until they are parents.

A beautiful thing mate.
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Re: Win!
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2018, 06:27:50 pm »
This post has a great deal of meaning for me and our family.  Thank you for sharing this piece with us, Harinder.

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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2018, 06:42:58 pm »

When i come across acts of courage it reminds me of a few words Mandela once said..

"I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear".

Stay strong Harinder.

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Re: Win!
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2018, 06:48:54 pm »
All the best to you and the family Hari. Stirring read.

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Re: Win!
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2018, 07:17:44 pm »
That was a great read, thanks for sharing in that way Harinder.

God bless you and your family. YNWA

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Re: Win!
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2018, 07:53:49 pm »
Harinder, I have never had kids of my own so cannot truly understand the anguish you went through at the birth of Sahib. However as a fellow traveler on the "Why"road I applaud the courage, strength and belief you have shown to write such a heart wrenching and at the same time beautiful piece. They say a trouble shared is a trouble halved. You should have no doubts that all RAWKites-and none- who read this have taken a tiny little weight off your shoulders. They (we) will always be there for you in some shape or form, a PM  a phone call, an embrace at the match. Traveling any road alone is always hard. The best decision I ever made on my troubled journey was to talk to my wife about it.
I have other things I would say to you but this is, literally, not the right forum. Contact me if you want to hear them.
I hope for you, and all of us, that at some point in the future  you, Daya, Sahib and the Missus will sit around telling stories of the "Lions of Kiev", how they threw their collective heads back and roared to the world "This our jungle and we've come to take it back"

 
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Re: Win!
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2018, 09:09:37 pm »
Thank you for your kind words. They all mean a lot and writing wise Im a little spent hence not always able to reply or respond quickly
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Re: Win!
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2018, 09:29:36 pm »
It's entirely possible we'll never meet and I don't know you at all mate, but feel like I do a little after reading that. Your bravery in opening up like that is mindblowing, and more than a little inspirational.

You're a wonderful writer, and a wonderful guy with a wonderful family. All the very, very best to you and yours.

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Re: Win!
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2018, 09:48:26 pm »
Thank you for sharing Hari

Thank you.

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Re: Win!
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2018, 10:21:31 pm »
Thanks for sharing. YNWA.

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Re: Win!
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2018, 10:28:47 pm »
Great, and emotional, read Hari. Thank you for sharing (I imagine it wasn't really easy) and all the best to you and your family.

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Re: Win!
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2018, 10:39:25 pm »
I might have shed a little tear, all the best to you and your family mate. It takes a strong person to open up about their fears and doubts. One day your kids will read this and know the kind of man their father is. YNWA.
Ive plenty links to the clubs playing and backroom staff as many on here know thank you very much. Fair enough, I admire your optimism. But youre absolute ostriches if you think this squad, even with 2 or 3 new, cut price players with potential get us anywhere close

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Re: Win!
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2018, 10:54:26 pm »
An emotional and brilliant read that mate, thank you.

All the best to you and your family.
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Re: Win!
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2018, 11:05:26 pm »
All the best to you and the family Harinder. An amazing and emotional read.
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Re: Win!
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2018, 11:06:27 pm »
You have a beautiful baby boy there Harinder and you're a beautiful man. Cherish these early days and early years.

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Re: Win!
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2018, 11:21:02 pm »
Harinder,
Thanks so much for putting this on RAWK. We all understand that strange mesh between life and LFC and how they affect each other.
I am convinced we will win next Saturday. This has helped me feel more convinced. I hope you love Sahib for what he is as we love LFC for what they are and I look forward to you taking him to Anfield and showing him the museum updated with victorious pictures from Kiev.
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Re: Win!
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2018, 07:32:27 am »
Beautiful mate, a story deserving of a happy ending

If they bring it home for you and Sahib and Daya, itll be all the sweeter

I have a little girl aged 2 and because we dont live together yet (we will), I have only seen even a few matches on the TV with her. After I read this I just want to make her more a  part of my football life. Shes talking a few words here and there and nearly managed Liverpool during the Man City away leg

Be always blessed Harinder, you and your family

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Re: Win!
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2018, 11:21:16 am »
I've been fortunate enough to have had all my kids born healthy. But those first few seconds before the scream are horrendous. And the biggest fear you have in life is something happen to your children, so I can sense, but not fully of course, what you went through.

A couple of ours have had the umbilical cord around their necks. And despite reassurances you worry when they come out, silent and blue.
Then the scream and your tears start flowing.
 
My third son got the Respiratory syncytial virus once when he was 6 months old.  We went to the doctor's several  times because he wasn't well. It ended up with the doctor asking me if I thought he needed to be hospitalised! He decided we could wait  out the weekend, it was Friday, and see where it went. On Saturday, I got a call at work that he wasn't breathing, he was lifeless and limp in her arms. My wife had panicked and called me instead of the ambulance. I hung up and called emergency for her. I have nights at work and noone could relieve me so I was stuck. It was a nightmare. After a minute I got a call that he had come to. The ambulance got him and he was in hospital for a week. I visited several times and to see him there with tubes up his nose, needles in his arms, looking pale as a ghost and totally worn down was heart breaking and something I will never forget. The RS virus is potentially lethal to infants so he could have died. It should never have gone that far if our local doctors hadn't been so negligent.

That episode tears me up still, thinking about it. I can only imagine what it was like for my wife who was there.
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Re: Win!
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2018, 11:46:23 am »
Great post mate and love to Sahib and your family.
YNWA.

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Re: Win!
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2018, 03:20:43 pm »
Much love to all
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Re: Win!
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2018, 03:53:19 pm »
Beautiful sir, with a truly superb photo too

I remember you sorted myself and son out for tickets for the "gerrard derby" which you unfortunately couldn't attend...was a game my lad will never forget, priceless mate


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Re: Win!
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2018, 06:14:08 pm »
Not sure what to say after reading that. Except to say, from someone with no children, thank you for posting.

I've no doubt it took a lot of courage as each and every sentence was infused with raw emotion, both the yin and the yang in purest black and white.

Respect, Sir. And all the best to you and your beautiful family.

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Re: Win!
« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2018, 01:17:08 am »
My friend,
I have never met you but I do "know" you from here and from listening to some of the AI podcasts you have done over the years. You always come across as a very intelligent, well lived, principled, decent, caring, thoughtful, funny and gentle man.
You have ... actually you do have, some idea of just how much this post can touch people. I read it and as I read it I bawled my eyes out.There is so much humanity and honesty and emotional truth there. I was so moved.
My middle daughter was born 10 years ago last week. I remember and I will never forget, picking her up just after she came into the world, and holding her for the first time, just holding her and repeating the same sentence of wonder and welcome over and over... and all the healing of the heart. It is the most brilliant moment of my life.
My children mean everything to me but my family is breaking and my heart is broken. Family, children, the crucible.
Thanks for writing and sharing this story and allowing the darkness it's place too. We all walk together mate even though it feels so alone ... be well brother ...

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Re: Win!
« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2018, 11:22:11 pm »
You can tell by my post count I dont contribute much to this forum, not that I dont have opinions but because there are so many better informed and more eloquent writers than myself that I usually feel adding my noise will only detract from the value of what they are saying. So it is unexpected, now, that I feel compelled to respond to this incredible piece of writing in some way, any way really.

The way you described your sons birth literally knocked the breath out of me. When my son was born last year, I dont think ultimately it was as touch and go as your situation, but both wife and baby had sepsis and it ended in an emergency c section after 30 hours of labour. When he was finally out, I have never felt such a level of emotional or physical exhaustion. I literally couldnt hold him. Once I knew both were safe, I found an empty labour room and just lay on the floor, trying to come to terms with what had happened. I still havent, really.

Ive never told anyone this, at least not the whole truth, and I honestly still have nightmares where I wake thinking Ive lost them both. The bare honesty of your writing has encouraged me to post this here, and I feel a huge weight has lifted from me.

Thank you, Harinder, and I wish you and your family all the best. Now, lets get this thing won!

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Re: Win!
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2018, 11:52:27 am »
Great read and thanks for sharing what is a very difficult situation to deal with. The low points should only make you stronger and ready for the highs. Hopefully the team have one more gift to give you as well.

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Re: Win!
« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2018, 02:29:32 pm »
YNWA Harinder.

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Re: Win!
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2018, 05:25:46 pm »
Been meaning to post in this thread for a couple of days just to say thank you for this beautiful post. I read it through tears a couple of nights ago and it struck a chord with me. I won't go into my whole story - I'm not as eloquent and frankly don't want to share all of it anyway - but I really relate to the intertwining of LFC and major events in my life. Phone calls I've received during games at Anfield have delivered news (good and bad) that have fundamentally changed my life, and are etched into my brain. I remember shortly after my Dad died going to our 1st game back in in the Champions League for years (Ludogoretz was it?) and the seat next to me was empty - it wasn't my Dad's, it was just a coincidence, but that combined with YNWA just reduced me to floods of tears, something I really needed to do.

The day of the ballot results for final tickets, I refreshed my email all day until I got a call about 3pm that confirmed I'm going to be a father for the first time, and suddenly the whole world looked different. I didn't get a ticket for the final and I can honestly say my only feeling about that was happiness that a fellow red would be going instead. I felt like I had my fair share of joy that day and I'm glad it got shared around a little.

Thanks for sharing Harinder. YNWA