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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2560 on: April 18, 2024, 10:40:49 pm »
You switch if off at half time? 0.04 xg second half, was wank.

Yes, the second half was crap. But at least we played some terrific stuff in the first half, led by our most talented footballer returning from injury. By 60 our legs had gone and it was over.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2561 on: April 18, 2024, 10:44:57 pm »
Yes, the second half was crap. But at least we played some terrific stuff in the first half, led by our most talented footballer returning from injury. By 60 our legs had gone and it was over.

Trent? :) he was good, it’s a shame our entire threat comes from him.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2562 on: April 18, 2024, 10:45:25 pm »
Another massive worry. Looked the real deal for the first few weeks now he looks like a prime Mario Fellaini with a good haircut.  :hally
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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2563 on: April 18, 2024, 10:49:14 pm »
He’s a wide player being asked to play central and it’s showing.

Then why does he seem to hate going wide? The only productive thing he ever does is make overlapping runs and he can't be arsed doing it more than once or twice per game.

Whatever the reason for his form is he should really be last choice in midfield at this point.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2564 on: April 18, 2024, 10:55:56 pm »
Reading some proper bollocks on here. Dom is a class player - bit out of form and lacked energy recently, but if you can’t see his class then you’re an idiot. Like a lot of lads in the team, he’d benefit from being part of a top notch team performance and a goal. Confidence is a delicate thing … we’re all human and should be able to relate to this
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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2565 on: April 18, 2024, 11:29:29 pm »
Strange player I find. He's clearly got good vision and awareness at times when you'll find him good at laying people off for shots on goal at the correct moment. Then other times he'll aimlessly pass the ball to the opposition in our own half

I was hoping for more defence splitting ability passes like Coutinho used to be able to do very well when he first joined. I supposed I had conjured this image in my head of a technically proficient attacking midfielder with lovely passing technique spraying passes around the pitch. Don't know where I got that idea from really but he's clearly not lived up that image in my head
I was under this impression when we first signed him too. An all round AM with athleticism, like Kevin De Bruyne. But soon I realized he isn't. He has the passing technique but doesn't have the vision, speed of thought and close control of a central attacking midfielder. On good days he can look decent as an AM or a 8. But on bad days, especially days when they pressed the shit out of us like this, his weakness is exposed and it looks like he can't pass to save his life.

He does create but mostly from dead balls and crosses, like a traditional RM. Salzburg played 442 and Leipzig played 4222 which suit him more. I'm not writing him off or anything but clearly the system has to change to accommodate his strong attributes.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2566 on: April 18, 2024, 11:59:50 pm »
His confidence is shot to bits is all.

Looks nervy on the ball, but the talent is there. Just needs a goal.
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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2567 on: April 19, 2024, 02:54:34 am »
23 years old. Supremely talented footballer going through a rusty patch. Calling him a "fraud" has to be one of the worst shouts I've seen in all my years here.
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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2568 on: April 19, 2024, 06:38:06 am »
He’s a wide player being asked to play central and it’s showing.

More like a player who thrives in the attacking third and is being asked to play in midfield.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2569 on: April 19, 2024, 07:06:12 am »
More like a player who thrives in the attacking third and is being asked to play in midfield.

Begs the question if the above is true, why we bought him with Salah playing there.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2570 on: April 19, 2024, 07:06:27 am »
I was under this impression when we first signed him too. An all round AM with athleticism, like Kevin De Bruyne. But soon I realized he isn't. He has the passing technique but doesn't have the vision, speed of thought and close control of a central attacking midfielder. On good days he can look decent as an AM or a 8. But on bad days, especially days when they pressed the shit out of us like this, his weakness is exposed and it looks like he can't pass to save his life.

He does create but mostly from dead balls and crosses, like a traditional RM. Salzburg played 442 and Leipzig played 4222 which suit him more. I'm not writing him off or anything but clearly the system has to change to accommodate his strong attributes.

Too early to be calling this for me. Your ‘he’s not a creative passer’ shout of a few weeks ago is definitely being borne out right now but then no one in the team really looks like a creative passer. I think he could definitely develop into what you’re describing. And has already looked like it at points this season, as you admit.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2571 on: April 19, 2024, 07:09:21 am »
Begs the question if the above is true, why we bought him with Salah playing there.

I’ve been as negative about our recruitment over the past few years as anyone (not enough players, not the right players at points) but I don’t think this is fair on us. He’s not a wide forward, he’s not really a 10. He’d probably be a very good right winger in a flat midfield 4 but they basically don’t exist anymore. And if some of the best of them played today they’d be right sided 8s anyway. David Beckham would, for example, be a right sided 8. So basically I think he’s an ideal option to play as an 8.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2572 on: April 19, 2024, 07:23:13 am »
Why don't we ever try him as right-wing forward?
Look to me like he has the skills to at least deputise there better than Harvey.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2573 on: April 19, 2024, 07:33:38 am »
Why don't we ever try him as right-wing forward?
Look to me like he has the skills to at least deputise there better than Harvey.
We want him pressing and covering ground in the middle of the pitch

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2574 on: April 19, 2024, 07:52:19 am »
We want him pressing and covering ground in the middle of the pitch

But he is struggling with that as well at the moment. Why not have that as a bonus, have him as a solid front line presser who might here and there cover counters down the wing. And in the meantime let him focus on creating overloads, making runs for Trent to exploit, whipping crosses in etc. Don't know, he's out of form and tired, so it's all moot now - but we seem to be losing three players to cover the absence on one - an athletic DM.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2575 on: April 19, 2024, 08:03:12 am »
Why don't we ever try him as right-wing forward?
Look to me like he has the skills to at least deputise there better than Harvey.

I thought this when Salah was injured.

Elliott is great in midfield but doesn’t know how to play the Salah role. Doesn’t play high enough and that space was always left empty.

Dom has great shooting ability (mostly for his country) so I’d say with his technique would provide something on the wing with his crossing

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2576 on: April 19, 2024, 08:30:42 am »
I was under this impression when we first signed him too. An all round AM with athleticism, like Kevin De Bruyne. But soon I realized he isn't. He has the passing technique but doesn't have the vision, speed of thought and close control of a central attacking midfielder. On good days he can look decent as an AM or a 8. But on bad days, especially days when they pressed the shit out of us like this, his weakness is exposed and it looks like he can't pass to save his life.

He does create but mostly from dead balls and crosses, like a traditional RM. Salzburg played 442 and Leipzig played 4222 which suit him more. I'm not writing him off or anything but clearly the system has to change to accommodate his strong attributes.

I am. A player with his limitations shouldn't be a starter for us in attack or midfield.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2577 on: April 19, 2024, 08:33:57 am »
I think once of the forwards needs to drop out of the team with Dom being part of the front three. That way you are playing to Dom's strengths and out of possession he can drop back into the midfield.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2578 on: April 19, 2024, 08:34:39 am »
I was under this impression when we first signed him too. An all round AM with athleticism, like Kevin De Bruyne. But soon I realized he isn't. He has the passing technique but doesn't have the vision, speed of thought and close control of a central attacking midfielder. On good days he can look decent as an AM or a 8. But on bad days, especially days when they pressed the shit out of us like this, his weakness is exposed and it looks like he can't pass to save his life.

He does create but mostly from dead balls and crosses, like a traditional RM. Salzburg played 442 and Leipzig played 4222 which suit him more. I'm not writing him off or anything but clearly the system has to change to accommodate his strong attributes.

It’s his first season here, not surprised he’s showing the strain with the intensity. He could learn to pass with more empathy of course but I think that will come on leaps and bounds next season …
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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2579 on: April 19, 2024, 08:38:51 am »
Under Amorim, he play 3-4-3. That's three centre-backs, two midfielders, two wingbacks and three forwards.
The 4 in the formation are going to be a double pivot of a destroyer and controller and the wingbacks so unless Dom is used as a forward I don't see how he gets into the team.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2580 on: April 19, 2024, 09:02:13 am »
Some of the comments in here. Unbelievable.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2581 on: April 19, 2024, 09:38:15 am »
Some of the comments in here. Unbelievable.

What about them? He has been bad more than he has been good so far in his time here so how do you expect people to react?






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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2582 on: April 19, 2024, 09:50:55 am »
I think once of the forwards needs to drop out of the team with Dom being part of the front three. That way you are playing to Dom's strengths and out of possession he can drop back into the midfield.

Is he productive enough to play in a front three? I never really see him make the kind of runs into the box that would suggest he could up his numbers if deployed higher.

He looks built for counter attacking football where he can rampage into open space all game.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2583 on: April 19, 2024, 10:13:18 am »
Some of the comments in here. Unbelievable.

To be fair, when was the last time he really shone, or put in a fantastic, MOTM performance like MacAllister? Imposed himself on a game? He hasn't for a long time.
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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2584 on: April 19, 2024, 10:31:37 am »
Some of the comments in here. Unbelievable.

Not really check the Salah thread and that’s someone with credit in the bank and one of the most productive players in the league.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2585 on: April 19, 2024, 10:51:29 am »
Its like he has been Space Jammed.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2586 on: April 19, 2024, 11:28:53 am »
What about them? He has been bad more than he has been good so far in his time here so how do you expect people to react?

I find comments like He's just not that good and wouldn't mind if he was sold pathetic. Might just be me though.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2587 on: April 19, 2024, 11:30:20 am »
To be fair, when was the last time he really shone, or put in a fantastic, MOTM performance like MacAllister? Imposed himself on a game? He hasn't for a long time.
Maybe he needs a break but is continually being played? Maybe he should be tried further forward? I find some of the comments extreme though. He did very well but his form has declined. It happens.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2588 on: April 19, 2024, 11:30:43 am »
Needs to improve next season. There's a player in there, though.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2589 on: April 19, 2024, 11:30:48 am »
Not really check the Salah thread and that’s someone with credit in the bank and one of the most productive players in the league.
Some have wanted to sell Salah for more than 12 months. It's bizarre.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2590 on: April 19, 2024, 11:57:34 am »
Some have wanted to sell Salah for more than 12 months. It's bizarre.

If Salah leaves on a free at the end of next season his last two seasons will have cost us around £200m. For a club that sadly operates on a sell to buy policy that is an extraordinary amount of money.
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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2591 on: April 19, 2024, 12:08:11 pm »
Some have wanted to sell Salah for more than 12 months. It's bizarre.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2592 on: April 19, 2024, 12:18:25 pm »
If Salah leaves on a free at the end of next season his last two seasons will have cost us around £200m. For a club that sadly operates on a sell to buy policy that is an extraordinary amount of money.
Not sure what that has to do with people's weird obsession with selling Salah for ages.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2594 on: April 19, 2024, 01:55:58 pm »
The early shouts of The New Gerrard were always going to weigh heavy when he had a dip. He is 23 years old, will get better as he gets used to the league and is already a goal threat. Just relax

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2595 on: April 19, 2024, 02:14:39 pm »
The early shouts of The New Gerrard were always going to weigh heavy when he had a dip. He is 23 years old, will get better as he gets used to the league and is already a goal threat. Just relax

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2596 on: April 19, 2024, 02:22:29 pm »
Is he productive enough to play in a front three? I never really see him make the kind of runs into the box that would suggest he could up his numbers if deployed higher.

He looks built for counter attacking football where he can rampage into open space all game.

He's obviously being shoehorned into a runner 8 by Klopp to suit the team.

I made a post about this about 5 pages back;

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"It's pretty simple why after a blinding start things have gone downhill for Szoboszlai. He's been misused by Klopp more than anyone else in the team (yes more than Gakpo).

Having watched the Buli last season Szoboszlai was one of the best attacking talents in the league. He carried his form into the start of this season until Klopp figured out he has some engine on him and decided to shove him into RCM and cover a LOT of ground covering for the Salah/inverted full-back system.

Szoboszlai played 50 odd games for club and country last season. He only played 3 of those in central midfield.. He had 33 G/A for club and country from playing as part of the front 3...primarily in an attacking midfield position even if he would start on the right or left of the striker.

He has one of the best shots in the league and will be the biggest beneficiary of playing the LW/LAM position under Amorim...no longer having to run like a dog all game. I am not worried at all and I think a lot of our fans need to have a bit of perspective on his time here and what he's been asked to do."


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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2597 on: April 19, 2024, 02:32:34 pm »
He's obviously being shoehorned into a runner 8 by Klopp to suit the team.

I made a post about this about 5 pages back;

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"It's pretty simple why after a blinding start things have gone downhill for Szoboszlai. He's been misused by Klopp more than anyone else in the team (yes more than Gakpo).

Having watched the Buli last season Szoboszlai was one of the best attacking talents in the league. He carried his form into the start of this season until Klopp figured out he has some engine on him and decided to shove him into RCM and cover a LOT of ground covering for the Salah/inverted full-back system.

Szoboszlai played 50 odd games for club and country last season. He only played 3 of those in central midfield.. He had 33 G/A for club and country from playing as part of the front 3...primarily in an attacking midfield position even if he would start on the right or left of the striker.

He has one of the best shots in the league and will be the biggest beneficiary of playing the LW/LAM position under Amorim...no longer having to run like a dog all game. I am not worried at all and I think a lot of our fans need to have a bit of perspective on his time here and what he's been asked to do."

Is right. We all saw what he's capable of in the first couple of months of the season. He's been played out of position whilst trying to adjust to a new country & league.

He'll be one of, if not our best player in a couple of years.

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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2598 on: April 19, 2024, 04:13:11 pm »
He's obviously being shoehorned into a runner 8 by Klopp to suit the team.

I made a post about this about 5 pages back;

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"It's pretty simple why after a blinding start things have gone downhill for Szoboszlai. He's been misused by Klopp more than anyone else in the team (yes more than Gakpo).

Having watched the Buli last season Szoboszlai was one of the best attacking talents in the league. He carried his form into the start of this season until Klopp figured out he has some engine on him and decided to shove him into RCM and cover a LOT of ground covering for the Salah/inverted full-back system.

Szoboszlai played 50 odd games for club and country last season. He only played 3 of those in central midfield.. He had 33 G/A for club and country from playing as part of the front 3...primarily in an attacking midfield position even if he would start on the right or left of the striker.

He has one of the best shots in the league and will be the biggest beneficiary of playing the LW/LAM position under Amorim...no longer having to run like a dog all game. I am not worried at all and I think a lot of our fans need to have a bit of perspective on his time here and what he's been asked to do."

This could be the case if he actually got the qauilties needed from an attacking midfielder or a forward in a top team but he doesn't and getting good numbers in the Bundesliga doesn't mean a player is good enough for a team like Liverpool at this role. It's obvious what Dom qauilties are, everyone can see it and he won't magically be a player with a great close control or a great dribbler for example if he plays as a LW I mean Diaz is very gifted technically yet we can improve on him so how can anyone think Dom can play this role for a team like Liverpool the same thing with playing as a LAM he wont magically have the eye for a killer pass or the close control of Jones. The way I see it is as a wingback or a right attacking midfielder if you are willing to let him overlap and underlap all the time.



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Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Reply #2599 on: April 19, 2024, 05:39:32 pm »
This could be the case if he actually got the qauilties needed from an attacking midfielder or a forward in a top team but he doesn't and getting good numbers in the Bundesliga doesn't mean a player is good enough for a team like Liverpool at this role. It's obvious what Dom qauilties are, everyone can see it and he won't magically be a player with a great close control or a great dribbler for example if he plays as a LW I mean Diaz is very gifted technically yet we can improve on him so how can anyone think Dom can play this role for a team like Liverpool the same thing with playing as a LAM he wont magically have the eye for a killer pass or the close control of Jones. The way I see it is as a wingback or a right attacking midfielder if you are willing to let him overlap and underlap all the time.

To say he does not have good dribbling, or close control...and that he should be a wing-back just tells me you are purely going off what you see in an LFC shirt playing out of position.

To emphasize what I am saying, watch bits of his previous year before joining us here;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDYMOcfbaSc

If you come back still thinking he is a wing-back then hats off to you.