Author Topic: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)  (Read 593472 times)

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If we are avoiding a prick-and-play because of the fucking Euros I will be livid.

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If we are avoiding a prick-and-play because of the fucking Euros I will be livid.

We aren't. That's just something that has been completely made up in someone's head. He's got a knock, it happens.

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I don't get that feeling at all. Innocuous, nothing injuries are always minimum a few weeks. The players are usually back later than forecast too. Players coming off any medium to long term injury always take weeks building up to starts. The last one especially is fine in isolation, but my point is that we are risk-averse on all injuries. I don't see the same caution at all in our rivals. City constantly rush players back. DeBruyne was clearly playing through injections the back end of last season. 34 year old Walker just played 300 minutes in 7 days straight after getting rushed back from a minor injury.

I think we are super cautious, which would be fine if we saw any benefit from that approach, but we don't. It reminded me of last season when we would constantly not start players because we were playing it safe, but then those same players would be thrown on at half time or 60 to save the game for us anyway. You're left thinking, what was the point?

And maybe you're right in this case that Jota wouldn't want to take injections or any risk with the Euros coming, but I feel like we do this constantly regardless.

Problem is though with us if a player is slightly rushed back he breaks down again.. Salah for example at Brdntford where he was probably earmarked for 20 minutes but had to come on earlier. Trent who was rushed back due to Bradley's compassionate leave and then got reinjured.
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Iím not sure if we know whether weíre rushing players back. Like are we being cavalier or reckless? We canít know. We can see outcomes and it seems like we havenít always been clear on when a player is ready to come back at times this season.

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Problem is though with us if a player is slightly rushed back he breaks down again.. Salah for example at Brdntford where he was probably earmarked for 20 minutes but had to come on earlier. Trent who was rushed back due to Bradley's compassionate leave and then got reinjured.

Trent wasn't rushed back. He played 24 and 22 minutes v Norwich and Chelsea previous to him coming off in the 58th minute v Arsenal. Salah was rushed back though, absolutely no need to be bringing him on for as long he did when there are other perfectly adequate replacements on the bench.

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Sad to see him go, one of the best passers of a ball I have ever seen and his half-volley in the CL game was the sweetest strike of a ball I've ever seen I think.

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Read something interesting on twitter about what may cause recurring hamstring injuries -
https://x.com/tylermwebb/status/1797650770071875754?t=_TqE6y8xuFEauja2XjmUrA&s=19

Given how we've had periods when we have had these and footballers in general tend to have more of these, it might be a nice little breakthrough that allows players to be more preventative.

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Read something interesting on twitter about what may cause recurring hamstring injuries -
https://x.com/tylermwebb/status/1797650770071875754?t=_TqE6y8xuFEauja2XjmUrA&s=19

Given how we've had periods when we have had these and footballers in general tend to have more of these, it might be a nice little breakthrough that allows players to be more preventative.

The players will have this tested as the club has its own isokinetic dynamometer. It's not thought to be as important as quad to hamstring ratio but it's useful to know.


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The players will have this tested as the club has its own isokinetic dynamometer. It's not thought to be as important as quad to hamstring ratio but it's useful to know.



Its actually staggering that an NFL team hasn't used isokinetic dynamometers as routine for all their players considering the resources they can put into it!

What's the quad to hamstring ratio though and why's it important?

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It's not particularly good as a predictor of injuries but allows you to look at possible sources of weakness that can be worked on with a view to decreasing risk. Quad/hammy ratio is important for ACL risk reduction, bit less so for hamstring strains. Any professional team should have this sort of kit in their biomechanics dept and will use it to monitor players for their normal ranges for use in recovery, and also to address any asymmetries like mentioned in that story above. You'd think he'd have got this tested before spending the cash on the acupuncture etc.

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It's not particularly good as a predictor of injuries but allows you to look at possible sources of weakness that can be worked on with a view to decreasing risk. Quad/hammy ratio is important for ACL risk reduction, bit less so for hamstring strains. Any professional team should have this sort of kit in their biomechanics dept and will use it to monitor players for their normal ranges for use in recovery, and also to address any asymmetries like mentioned in that story above. You'd think he'd have got this tested before spending the cash on the acupuncture etc.

So what would the ideal quad/hammy ratio be do you know?

Acupuncture is for quacks so complete waste of money

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Problem with this forum, people always banging on about isokinetic dynamometers.

Give it a rest lads.

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I read tonight that Doak has withdrawn from the Scottish squad due to injury. He must be devastated but maybe his old injury just hasnít healed.
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I read tonight that Doak has withdrawn from the Scottish squad due to injury. He must be devastated but maybe his old injury just hasnít healed.

Was silly that he got called up in the first place.
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So what would the ideal quad/hammy ratio be do you know?

Acupuncture is for quacks so complete waste of money

It's more complicated than having a set number (50-80% h/q). Remaining strong throughout the season is thought to be the important thing and that NFL lad addressing an injury due to an imbalance in his strength (Is it really this? how did it take so long for anyone to pick this up in professional sport? is this twitter bullshit Ive paid too much attention to?) is probably not solely because one side is stronger than the other (cos that's normal) and possibly because he's doing more strengthening in general.


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It's more complicated than having a set number (50-80% h/q). Remaining strong throughout the season is thought to be the important thing and that NFL lad addressing an injury due to an imbalance in his strength (Is it really this? how did it take so long for anyone to pick this up in professional sport? is this twitter bullshit Ive paid too much attention to?) is probably not solely because one side is stronger than the other (cos that's normal) and possibly because he's doing more strengthening in general.


If you want to read something science-y


Thanks, thats really helpful :) I did a little bit of reading and asked a physio friend of mine and they suggested a h/q ratio of around 75-80% was optimal but I get what the article says when it doesn't predict hamstring injury. There's probably so many other factors behind it but it does baffle me, like you, that a multi-billion dollar sport has only just discovered isokinetic testing!