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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32000 on: February 6, 2023, 05:01:11 pm »
Limitation periods extension in the event of concealed facts exists in Swiss law too. However, CAS is quasi-judicial body so is not bound by legal doctrines. However, as they had discretion to consider the period extended in any event it was truly bizarre they did not elect to (particularly as they punished City for not disclosing documents in any event)

Interesting, that. Thanks for clarifying.

I guess it would have needed CAS to make a finding of fraud (difficult due to the dishonesty element and the "stigma" attached to fraud) or deliberate concealment. Limitation was the easiest option for CAS imo. 

Looking at the some of the PL rules quoted in the statement:-

"...required provision by a member club to the Premier League, in the utmost good faith, of accurate financial information that gives a true and fair view of the club’s financial position, in particular with respect to its revenue"

Presumably the very act of City signing up to the PL rules each year meant there was a duty on them to provide accurate and honest financial information. If they deliberately haven't complied with that duty then you could argue it amounts to fraud...

Hopefully limitation doesn't become an issue again! 

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« Reply #32001 on: February 6, 2023, 05:01:28 pm »


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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32002 on: February 6, 2023, 05:02:04 pm »
I'm probably being too optimistic here, but it would be good if this gave us a bit of a morale boost, and we bounced out at Anfield on Monday all ready to give the Blues a good battering. I'm sure half the reason for our downturn this season has been psychological - "if we're getting 95 plus points every season and still not winning, what's the point" kind of thing. Be interested to see what Jurgen's demeanour is like at the next press conference. 
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32003 on: February 6, 2023, 05:03:33 pm »
Disgraceful it's taken this long for something to be done when it was blatantly obvious early on. Robbed us of even more memorable moments.

The people praising them for their success should hang their heads too.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32004 on: February 6, 2023, 05:03:34 pm »
They will just get a fine/transfer embargo. Loads on here seem to think they should give their titles away too. I don't think that will happen.

It doesn't matter now anyway. We've already been robbed of our golden era.
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32005 on: February 6, 2023, 05:04:55 pm »
The premier league has basically been a farce for over a decade now. No better than wrestling. Worse actually, at least everyone knows that's fake (awaits backlash).

But Abu Dhabi will spend any amount of millions fighting this. They're a country, not a football team so I expect any punishment will end up a lot smaller than what it should be. The mugs will lap it up and the farce will continue in another guise.
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32006 on: February 6, 2023, 05:05:24 pm »
Interesting, that. Thanks for clarifying.

I guess it would have needed CAS to make a finding of fraud (difficult due to the dishonesty element and the "stigma" attached to fraud) or deliberate concealment. Limitation was the easiest option for CAS imo. 

Looking at the some of the PL rules quoted in the statement:-

"...required provision by a member club to the Premier League, in the utmost good faith, of accurate financial information that gives a true and fair view of the club’s financial position, in particular with respect to its revenue"

Presumably the very act of City signing up to the PL rules each year meant there was a duty on them to provide accurate and honest financial information. If they deliberately haven't complied with that duty then you could argue it amounts to fraud...

Hopefully limitation doesn't become an issue again!

Its actually weirder than that. CAS had discretion based on principles of fairness to consider the limitation extended by the deception. No fraud necessary - merely that it would be unfair to consider the periods binding if the information necessary to make a charge had been concealed. It was truly baffling.
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32007 on: February 6, 2023, 05:06:40 pm »
If they are relegated seriously would it be down one level? And no ban from entering again the following season? Let’s make it a relegation either down all the way, and/or a ban from re-entering until after five years or so.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32008 on: February 6, 2023, 05:07:20 pm »
Its actually weirder than that. CAS had discretion based on principles of fairness to consider the limitation extended by the deception. No fraud necessary - merely that it would be unfair to consider the periods binding if the information necessary to make a charge had been concealed. It was truly baffling.

Baffling indeed, unless, heaven forbid, ‘monies’ were involved?
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32009 on: February 6, 2023, 05:07:45 pm »
My lad just pointed out these robbed us of being Champions, Invincibles and Centurions all in one season.
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32010 on: February 6, 2023, 05:07:56 pm »
I'd fucking celebrate them, too fucking right I would.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32011 on: February 6, 2023, 05:08:05 pm »
I don't think any titles will be given to anyone, maybe vacated at best, but I reckon the league has to relegate them if this sticks.

Why not? It happens in other sports. You can't allow cheats to keep their titles and medals and then not hand them to the people who didn't cheat.

For me they firstly need to award the trophies to the teams who were second and then do something that sends a very clear and strong warning to any other team that thinks that cheating is ok.
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« Reply #32012 on: February 6, 2023, 05:09:38 pm »
My lad just pointed out these robbed us of being Champions, Invincibles and Centurions all in one season.

It must have been a long 4 years for the PL, waiting for us to go down the pan before actually acting on this and waiting for United to get in the position to capitalise.
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32013 on: February 6, 2023, 05:09:49 pm »
For anyone coming in from work, this is an excellent article by Miguel Delaney in the Independent. Please read it, it's a really good piece and reiterates how much anger there is in the game about this now.

https://t.co/DOuDmV4HdU
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32014 on: February 6, 2023, 05:09:56 pm »
The premier league has basically been a farce for over a decade now. No better than wrestling. Worse actually, at least everyone knows that's fake (awaits backlash).

But Abu Dhabi will spend any amount of millions fighting this. They're a country, not a football team so I expect any punishment will end up a lot smaller than what it should be. The mugs will lap it up and the farce will continue in another guise.
Obviously hope I'm wrong but don't think so.

if after 100+ charges they get off with a slap on the wrist and some meaningless fine, then i'm done. not just for the fact they get away with cheating, but that it means the other sportswashers/etc can basically do whatever they want and lawyer their way out of any repercussions.

any dregs of integrity in the PL will be gone completely unless theres a severe punishment.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32015 on: February 6, 2023, 05:10:07 pm »
I don't think any titles will be given to anyone, maybe vacated at best, but I reckon the league has to relegate them if this sticks.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32016 on: February 6, 2023, 05:10:42 pm »
If they get found guilty it would be fully deserved, but I'm going to be really, really pissed off. Three premier League titles they've denied us through cheating. Three chances  of experiencing title winning celebrations with our team. :no

They have to face relegation if they're found guilty. No fine or transfer embargo would ever be sufficient punishment.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32017 on: February 6, 2023, 05:10:52 pm »
Huge asterisk next to all of their titles

Bought and paid for

That’s as much as any of us will get
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32018 on: February 6, 2023, 05:10:55 pm »
We’re now at the grand finale ladies and gents: Either Man City gets absolutely flattened or the Premier League is.

Who’s your money on…?

There’s no compromise here. It’s really this simple: If the Premier League calls out 114 breaches and cannot get all or any of them to stick, then it’s game over for them. City should be absolutely ended here, but you just know that this will end badly for the PL. Any retraction or sign of backing down from them will also completely kill them off as an entity. It’s all or nothing.
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« Reply #32019 on: February 6, 2023, 05:11:40 pm »
City employ the Trump defense.  Deny and delay at every single turn.  This case will take years to come to a conclusion and, in the end, nothing is going to happen. 

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32020 on: February 6, 2023, 05:12:15 pm »
Huge asterisk next to all of their titles

Bought and paid for

That’s as much as any of us will get

Asterisk? More like completely stripped of them mate.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32021 on: February 6, 2023, 05:12:39 pm »
Disgraceful it's taken this long for something to be done when it was blatantly obvious early on. Robbed us of even more memorable moments.

The people praising them for their success should hang their heads too.

Part of the reason it's taken this long is the way City's team of lawyers have used every trick in the book to slow it down, it's what they do. But they have stuck at it and at least they will be seriously looked at and without the help of CAS to fall back on.
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32022 on: February 6, 2023, 05:13:12 pm »
Asterisk? More like completely stripped of them mate.

No chance

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32023 on: February 6, 2023, 05:13:47 pm »
Asterisk? More like completely stripped of them mate.

They should be stripped of every single trophy won during that period and then they should be relegated or kicked out of the football league all together.  I honestly don’t think anything will happen in the end and the league is going to become even more of a farce as it is now. 

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32024 on: February 6, 2023, 05:16:01 pm »
No chance

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I am actually surprised its got this far so maybe things are changing
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32025 on: February 6, 2023, 05:16:08 pm »
No chance

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Disagree. Neville will be all over Sky wanting Utd to be given the 3 they were cheated out of, millions around the world who support us and them and who pay millions to watch the PL will want the same.

It's no big deal for the PL to lose Man City, they're a nothing club. LFC and Utd are the attraction, we bring the money in, they cannot afford to lose us from the league.
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« Reply #32026 on: February 6, 2023, 05:17:35 pm »
That Simon Stone at the BBC does my fucking head in. It was him blaming Klopp's words about us not being able to compete with city in the transfer market for City fans singing about Hillsborough the other month.

'Should City win, legally, they will be clear, even if the sniping will continue."

Nothing to see here folks, honest, just petty sniping. What a prick. Everyone in this league has been cheated by this club.

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« Reply #32027 on: February 6, 2023, 05:18:45 pm »
That Simon Stone at the BBC does my fucking head in. It was him blaming Klopp's words about us not being able to compete with city in the transfer market for City fans singing about Hillsborough the other month.

'Should City win, legally, they will be clear, even if the sniping will continue."

Nothing to see here folks, honest, just petty sniping. What a prick. Everyone in this league has been cheated by this club.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32028 on: February 6, 2023, 05:19:45 pm »
For anyone coming in from work, this is an excellent article by Miguel Delaney in the Independent. Please read it, it's a really good piece and reiterates how much anger there is in the game about this now.

https://t.co/DOuDmV4HdU

Just read a few of his tweets today and it sounds like punishments could be severe such as relegations but backwards looking punishments such as taking away titles or re awarding them are less likely
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32029 on: February 6, 2023, 05:20:06 pm »
Disagree. Neville will be all over Sky wanting Utd to be given the 3 they were cheated out of, millions around the world who support us and them and who pay millions to watch the PL will want the same.

It's no big deal for the PL to lose Man City, they're a nothing club. LFC and Utd are the attraction, we bring the money in, they cannot afford to lose us from the league.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32030 on: February 6, 2023, 05:20:07 pm »
That Simon Stone at the BBC does my fucking head in. It was him blaming Klopp's words about us not being able to compete with city in the transfer market for City fans singing about Hillsborough the other month.

'Should City win, legally, they will be clear, even if the sniping will continue."

Nothing to see here folks, honest, just petty sniping. What a prick. Everyone in this league has been cheated by this club.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32031 on: February 6, 2023, 05:20:43 pm »
Just think how different the mood would have been among the fans and especially the players going into the CL final -and even this season- had we not missed out on the league last season.

Horrible operation and whatever they punish them with it's not going to reverse the negative domino effect their financial doping has had on our fortunes.

I hope it gives our lads a shot in the arm, I think a lot of issues this season have been years of playing out of their skins and getting not a lot in return because of the cheating

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32032 on: February 6, 2023, 05:20:52 pm »
That Simon Stone at the BBC does my fucking head in. It was him blaming Klopp's words about us not being able to compete with city in the transfer market for City fans singing about Hillsborough the other month.

'Should City win, legally, they will be clear, even if the sniping will continue."

Nothing to see here folks, honest, just petty sniping. What a prick. Everyone in this league has been cheated by this club.

He's a City fan. What do you expect?
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« Reply #32033 on: February 6, 2023, 05:21:06 pm »
That Simon Stone at the BBC does my fucking head in. It was him blaming Klopp's words about us not being able to compete with city in the transfer market for City fans singing about Hillsborough the other month.

'Should City win, legally, they will be clear, even if the sniping will continue."

Nothing to see here folks, honest, just petty sniping. What a prick. Everyone in this league has been cheated by this club.

Simon 'Salford BBC shill' Stone is a stooge for the regime.

They've been clever to get the likes of him, Samuel and Micah Richards all over the media parroting their narrative. We get Jamie Carragher.
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32034 on: February 6, 2023, 05:21:08 pm »
Is there a time limit on how long it will take to make a decision

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« Reply #32035 on: February 6, 2023, 05:21:23 pm »

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32036 on: February 6, 2023, 05:22:08 pm »
He's a City fan. What do you expect?

David Conn is a City fan and has more integrity in his pinky than this prick and the disgusting bloated walrus Martin Samuels.
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32037 on: February 6, 2023, 05:22:50 pm »
City employ the Trump defense.  Deny and delay at every single turn.  This case will take years to come to a conclusion and, in the end, nothing is going to happen. 

It is much harder to do that in this Country. You can't go to another court in another jurisdiction the way you can in the States. You also need pretty good grounds to be granted an appeal. There is also the fact that City has also used up some of the legal avenues open to them.

You also have to remember that they are using City as a sportswashing vehicle. That doesn't really work when you are washing your dirty linen in public. 
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32038 on: February 6, 2023, 05:23:44 pm »
Another journalist bought and paid for.

Would love someone to call them out
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons, the Porto Pussycats, the Bernabeu Bottlers
« Reply #32039 on: February 6, 2023, 05:25:38 pm »
Sounds like he is on the payroll  :o ::)

Sadly he’s just a common Manc who gratefully laps up the cheating because it stops the horrible Scousers winning, they are plentiful