Topic: Man City - cheating bastards rumbled

[Asam]

Do people really want us to be handed titles though?

I was gutted when we couldn't celebrate our last one at all. I'd be devestated if we were given 2 or 3 more and still couldn't celebrate them. Another kick in the bollocks.

I know I'm mad thinking that.

It's not going to happen but we should absolutely celebrate if we were awarded more titles, the manager, staff and players earned the right to do that, City would not have beaten us had they not cheated the system over multiple years

[Eeyore]

James Ducker
@TelegraphDucker

City thought to feel timing of PL announcement is tactical with government white paper on football governance due imminently. Sources indicating they were also alarmed not to get any prior notice of charges/CEO Ferran Soriano only being informed as news was hitting PL website

The timing would have been years ago if City had co-operated and hadn't issued frivolous legal challenges.

[mikey_LFC]

Id have no problem taking titles if city were stripped of them considering how close we were to them. Perhaps not the 2014 one though as they won that by a few points.

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[CowboyKangaroo]

On the Titles point - it is worth noting that the breaches run up to 2018 - so wouldn't necessarily result in them losing 20/21 & 21/22 (therefore only an additional 2 titles for United and Liverpool each, if 2nd place is awarded the title). A reasonable argument could say those victories stemmed from the cheating that preceded it, but that would probably beyond the scope of what the PL would be willing to do.

[Lord Roger Hunt]

Haaland won't relish playing on a bumpy pitch at Solitude.

I wonder if his lawyers added a clause that, if City were out of the PL, he could void his contract and leave on a free?

This element of their disaster could be very interesting...

[rocco]

Surely other clubs must be also under investigation

[JC the Messiah]

Also, there is no way any EFL club will be happy to see City plonked into their league.  That would be removing a place for a legitimate club, some of which are on the edge of going under, or at the other end close to getting into the PL and the financial benefits that brings.

IF they are snactioned with something more than a fine, then a points deduction doesn't cut it, and relegation doesn't seem fair to the others affected.  Out of the PL, and out of the EFL.

Strip them of their European trophies as well...

[rob1966]

Id have no problem taking titles if city were stripped of them considering how close we were to them. Perhaps not the 2014 one though as they won that by a few points.

2014 it was only 2 pts and that was all down to us chasing goals at Palace, otherwise we'd have won that game and lost the league on GD. 101 goals and 84 pts, well deserved title that

[Barneylfc∗]

Id have no problem taking titles if city were stripped of them considering how close we were to them. Perhaps not the 2014 one though as they won that by a few points.

2 points. Literally the difference between a 5 yard onside goal being disallowed for offside.

[Eeyore]

On the Titles point - it is worth noting that the breaches run up to 2018 - so wouldn't necessarily result in them losing 20/21 & 21/22 (therefore only an additional 2 titles for United and Liverpool each, if 2nd place is awarded the title). A reasonable argument could say those victories stemmed from the cheating that preceded it, but that would probably beyond the scope of what the PL would be willing to do.

There are no charges so far later than 2018 because City have refused to release documents.

[Circa1892]

Just dawned on me.

Any sort of punishment of substance (big points deduction etc) - and this season could well be their last ever chance to win the CL...

[UntouchableLuis]

The two teams that played in that Palace away game in 2014 should play again tonight IMO.

[JC the Messiah]

On the Titles point - it is worth noting that the breaches run up to 2018 - so wouldn't necessarily result in them losing 20/21 & 21/22 (therefore only an additional 2 titles for United and Liverpool each, if 2nd place is awarded the title). A reasonable argument could say those victories stemmed from the cheating that preceded it, but that would probably beyond the scope of what the PL would be willing to do.

If they're found guilty, wouldn't there be a case for futher investigation post 2018?  What is the reason the charges stop there - surely a logisitical one, and not that City became squeaky clean in the Summer of 2018.

[Elzar]

Alarmed my arse.  They didn't assist at all with the investigations (because they know they were cheating), why do the PL owe them anything - other than a ban adn all the other sanctions.

Maybe the PL stopped emailing them as they had stopped cooperating over more recent issues. Maybe they presumed any communication wasn't going through properly so decided to move forward with the announcement.

[UntouchableLuis]

Surely other clubs must be also under investigation

Yup. City reserves.

[rob1966]

There are no charges so far later than 2018 because City have refused to release documents.

The non existent crypto company and the betting company with a picture of their CEO who is a photo model stolen from an american website from 10 years ago is a start

[Elzar]

If they're found guilty, wouldn't there be a case for futher investigation post 2018?  What is the reason the charges stop there - surely a logisitical one, and not that City became squeaky clean in the Summer of 2018.

There is, and I think it's probably being looked into, but City aren't as cooperative now apparently. Any charges for then probably won't come as soon.

[slaphead]

Do people really want us to be handed titles though?

I was gutted when we couldn't celebrate our last one at all. I'd be devestated if we were given 2 or 3 more and still couldn't celebrate them. Another kick in the bollocks.

I know I'm mad thinking that.

Not sure Andy. No doubt we deserved them based on the rules but it would feel a little bit hallow to me all the same. I'll compromise, I'll take them, but I wouldn't go mad on the celebrations. More than anything, I want the PL to show the balls to make an example of City, and not let City take the piss like they have been doing. And not let anyone else do it. The League here stinks at the moment, It's starting to rot. This is their big chance. They roll over and get their balls tickled and the door is open for ruin

[PeterTheRed ...]

You are the PL, you have a choice between raking in a £20m fine into your coffers from someone who sees that as small change or you re-write history by re-arranging previous title winners

Which do you choose?

To be fair, £20 million is pocket change for the Premier League, considering the situation ...

[Red Beret]

then we and others affected should sue them as well.

Moshi-la should sue them for £750m

[cdav]

James Ducker
@TelegraphDucker

City thought to feel timing of PL announcement is tactical with government white paper on football governance due imminently. Sources indicating they were also alarmed not to get any prior notice of charges/CEO Ferran Soriano only being informed as news was hitting PL website

I guess no advanced warning was given so City's huge army of bots and paid for journalists couldn't get their lies out early to pre-empt this

[rocco]

Like to hear Gerrards thoughts

[Eeyore]

The non existent crypto company and the betting company with a picture of their CEO who is a photo model stolen from an american website from 10 years ago is a start

The Premier League according to court reports is still trying to force City to hand over documents from 2018 onwards. If City goes legal on any appeal refusing to release documents would presumably see them in contempt of court.

[rocco]

You are the PL, you have a choice between raking in a £20m fine into your coffers from someone who sees that as small change or you re-write history by re-arranging previous title winners


Which do you choose?

£20m would be a joke to City

£20m would be a joke to City

[MonsLibpool]

Id have no problem taking titles if city were stripped of them considering how close we were to them. Perhaps not the 2014 one though as they won that by a few points.

They won it by a grand total of two points.

[didi shamone]

Do people really want us to be handed titles though?

I was gutted when we couldn't celebrate our last one at all. I'd be devestated if we were given 2 or 3 more and still couldn't celebrate them. Another kick in the bollocks.

I know I'm mad thinking that.

Yes but it's not gonna happen. In fact nothing will happen as city will bully the premier league into submission.

The time to take action was before Abu Dhabi and Saudi Arabia bought football,  but the bottomless pit of greed that is the premier league takes money first and has to be forced into asking questions later.

[stockdam]

Shit they do have a point "Fuckall will happen. Stop panicking on shite being spewed out by hack journos with an agenda like Miguel Delaney. The Premier League is a staggeringly incompetent organisation on every level."

That's my concern. Do the does the PL have the balls to do this or is it just a wrist slap? Hopefully this will clear out the cheats and we can get back to playing football again.

[kennedy81]

On the Titles point - it is worth noting that the breaches run up to 2018 - so wouldn't necessarily result in them losing 20/21 & 21/22 (therefore only an additional 2 titles for United and Liverpool each, if 2nd place is awarded the title). A reasonable argument could say those victories stemmed from the cheating that preceded it, but that would probably beyond the scope of what the PL would be willing to do.

Up to 2018 it would only be one for Liverpool, no?

Second placed clubs when City won:

'18 M. United
'14 Liverpool
'12 M. United

[El Lobo]

Do people really want us to be handed titles though?

I was gutted when we couldn't celebrate our last one at all. I'd be devestated if we were given 2 or 3 more and still couldn't celebrate them. Another kick in the bollocks.

I know I'm mad thinking that.

In each of the circumstances...yeah. In each of the three occasions, we were so close and frankly deserved to win. United the same in the 'Aguero' season. The season under Solksjer? Not so much, they wouldnt be rightful champions.

[Eeyore]

£20m would be a joke to City

Do you think the other members of the Premier League would accept around a million each ?

[Sharado]

Do people really want us to be handed titles though?

I was gutted when we couldn't celebrate our last one at all. I'd be devestated if we were given 2 or 3 more and still couldn't celebrate them. Another kick in the bollocks.

I know I'm mad thinking that.

I'd fucking celebrate them, too fucking right I would.

[Asheroo]

Surely every man and his dog working within the business of football knew this was coming. If this is the start of actually cracking down on FFP it makes you think if it has effected how certain teams have approached this years transfer windows.

[Red Beret]

Also, there is no way any EFL club will be happy to see City plonked into their league.  That would be removing a place for a legitimate club, some of which are on the edge of going under, or at the other end close to getting into the PL and the financial benefits that brings.

IF they are snactioned with something more than a fine, then a points deduction doesn't cut it, and relegation doesn't seem fair to the others affected.  Out of the PL, and out of the EFL.

Strip them of their European trophies as well...

I think the easiest solution to the EFL dilemma is to simply add an extra promotion slot? It all depends on how long this drags on for though.

[Elzar]

Having a couple hours to sit on this, I've decided I'm mainly after Sky being stripped of their glory moment in Aguero's goal and Tyler's commentary. I knew City were cheats for ages. The league title, while sounding nice, won't make me feel any different now.

Sky's opening sequence being Tyler screaming "You'll never see anything like this ever again" over the top of a bunch of suits with briefcases announcing Man City's stripping of the titles and relegation? Now that would give me warm thighs.

[MonsLibpool]

I'd fucking celebrate them, too fucking right I would.

We deserve those titles because we played fair and square with zero cheating. It's the least we deserve for the emotional anguish of being pipped by them. The pain of losing the 2014 and 2019 titles to them as a young fan that had never seen us win it would be erased if they awarded us those titles.

[Crosby Nick]

Do people really want us to be handed titles though?

I was gutted when we couldn't celebrate our last one at all. I'd be devestated if we were given 2 or 3 more and still couldn't celebrate them. Another kick in the bollocks.

I know I'm mad thinking that.

I understand where you’re coming from. I’m sure athletes have have been awarded World and Olympic golds 20 years down the line have said it feels a bit hollow and they were robbed of their moment at the time.

But even then, it’s better than nothing. And I do think it’s important they’re called out for the cheats they are.

But yeah, when you think back on what might have been. Newcastle at home in 13/14 for example. How wild the celebrations would have been. Ultimately that probably does impact what came next as well in terms of Rodgers maybe being more bullet proof so it’s impossible to know how different things could have been.

I’m waffling now. Basically, do them for cheating. Punish them as severely as possible and that’ll do me for starters. Anything after that is a bonus.

[Cracking Left Foot]

I'd fucking celebrate them, too fucking right I would.

I'd take them just to piss off the "neutrals" who cried "oh noes, the scousers are going to be unbearable, null and void the league" in 2020. Too fucking right we'll be unbearable.

[Sharado]

I understand where you’re coming from. I’m sure athletes have have been awarded World and Olympic golds 20 years down the line have said it feels a bit hollow and they were robbed of their moment at the time.

But even then, it’s better than nothing. And I do think it’s important they’re called out for the cheats they are.

But yeah, when you think back on what might have been. Newcastle at home in 13/14 for example. How wild the celebrations would have been. Ultimately that probably does impact what came next as well in terms of Rodgers maybe being more bullet proof so it’s impossible to know how different things could have been.

I’m waffling now. Basically, do them for cheating. Punish them as severely as possible and that’ll do me for starters. Anything after that is a bonus.

Proper sliding doors the Rodgers thing isn't it. I often think that just because of the slip but now who knows.

[UntouchableLuis]

I'd take them just to piss off the "neutrals" who cried "oh noes, the scousers are going to be unbearable, null and void the league" in 2020. Too fucking right we'll be unbearable.

Victory parade with Suarez and Aly fucking Cissokho on the bus. Imagine the anger at that.

[Eeyore]

Surely every man and his dog working within the business of football knew this was coming. If this is the start of actually cracking down on FFP it makes you think if it has effected how certain teams have approached this years transfer windows.

The there that spring to mind are ourselves, Chelsea and United.

Imagine how much the valuations of Premier League clubs will rocket if clubs like LFC, MUFC and CFC can keep their revenues but cut costs because the nation-states aren't inflating transfer fees and wages.

Chelsea you could say have preempted FFP rules whilst Henry and the Glazers have put their clubs on the market.