Topic: Jordan Brian Henderson - where does he not fit in?

[Felch Aid]

Think he'll be missed for the Chelsea visit and Palace because he handles the physical approach both teams adopt. However, Lucas will certainly step up the mantle and Gerrard can unleash his hard tackling without the fear of being banned. It's not ideal but I think we can cope.

[daveypauly]

Why did Rodgers say in one of his post-match interviews that Henderson would "...hopefully only miss one game"?

4.40ish on the interview on this page: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27013226

[gazzalfc]

Its a blow but its a red card all day long and 3 match ban. Said it during the match and will say it now.

Opta - Henderson has been on the pitch for LFC 99.2% of this season.

I reckon Lucas can come in and do the job for us. You could even have Gerrard push up the diamond and have Lucas play that holding midfielder 

Allen as well. There is some depth there that has been missing in recent seasons.

Got a good week to work on different midfield combinations. I'm sure BR has some ideas

["21C or 70F?" SchizoidWeatherMan!]

I hope Lucas plays the nezt game in a box to box role. I am comfortable with Allen playing there too, except against Chelsea.

Hendo will be a big miss though. His passing, movement and workrate will be sorely missed.

[beefdog]

Why did Rodgers say in one of his post-match interviews that Henderson would "...hopefully only miss one game"?

4.40ish on the interview on this page: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27013226

He seems to say that.

It says here it's 3 games though: http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/suspensions

[Lord Flashheart]

He seems to say that.

It says here it's 3 games though: http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/suspensions

So far as I know, it can be one if the tackle was considered "not violent or dangerous" but still deserving of a red card, for example pulling a player back when you're last man. Kompany was suspended for one game for a straight red a couple of months ago (against Hull, if I remember correctly).

In Hendo's case, I'd imagine they'd consider his tackle dangerous, so it's going to be three games, unfortunately.

[cartmangreko]

if there is one position in which we have two (more than) decent back-up options, it's Hendo's.

[CraigDS]

Gonna miss his running against Chelsea but between Lucas and Allen we have two good replacements.

["21C or 70F?" SchizoidWeatherMan!]

Gonna miss his running against Chelsea but between Lucas and Allen we have two good replacements.

Not just his running, his passing as well. People tend to forget he has the ability to play some lovely long passes and the occasional through ball. Allen is much safer than Hendo these days.

Liked what ive seen of Lucas in that role though.

[chanti]

Unlucky laddie

Atleast we have a fit Lucas back. My gut feeling is that he will play an intergral part in the Chelsea game.

[cptrios]

Ok, so yeah it was a deserved red - but I don't understand the people on here who are talking about the tackle like it was a vicious Cattermole-style hit job. It was just a rash, poor tackle, and given how his foot skipped over the ball I imagine that if it had been about an inch lower there wouldn't have been a foul at all. No malice in it.

[S]

The tackle was reminiscent of Gazza's at Wembley. No malice, just a very passionate player going a step too far. Henderson's enthusiasm and desire is so often a positive for this team, yesterday's sending off was one of the rare occasions where it was a negative.

[Reds Flag]

Ok, so yeah it was a deserved red - but I don't understand the people on here who are talking about the tackle like it was a vicious Cattermole-style hit job. It was just a rash, poor tackle, and given how his foot skipped over the ball I imagine that if it had been about an inch lower there wouldn't have been a foul at all. No malice in it.

Yep it's important to remember this factor too. It was just an unfortunate mistake by a player who always gives his all for the tram.

[WizzardontheWing]

Is it worth appealing like? On the off chance that it is reduced to a one match? We could probably deal without him for all the other matches but to have him missing for the Chelsea game would be a huge blow

[Aristotle]

He has to play in the last game. Sunderland lad, born and bred, playing Newcastle for the title. He has to play that game

[rickardinho1]

You can clearly see that he only had the ball in mind, even looking for it immediately when he stood up. Not malicious at all but its one of the most obvious red cards I've seen all season. Easy decision.

He'll come back against Newcastle raring to go, like a hungry lion let out of a cage. No doubt it'll be a learning experience for him as he's still very young.

It'll be hugely interesting to see how the team copes in his absence, especially against Chelsea. I have a feeling that game could be a very tight affair where Lucas and/or Allen will be very useful in keeping possession against a deep-lying Chelsea team. I doubt they're going to come and attack us, at least for the first 20-30 minutes when they'll be trying to weather the storm and not give us momentum.

Although its disappointing that Hendo will miss 3 games, I'm more curious than worried. We have a Brazilian full-international raring to show his qualities for the World Cup who dominated in this last appearance, and the Welsh-Xavi who was majestic at Old Trafford and again against City yesterday.

[TSC]

Ok, so yeah it was a deserved red - but I don't understand the people on here who are talking about the tackle like it was a vicious Cattermole-style hit job. It was just a rash, poor tackle, and given how his foot skipped over the ball I imagine that if it had been about an inch lower there wouldn't have been a foul at all. No malice in it.

Excpet no-one is comparing Henderson or his tackle to Cattermole and his tackles.  He's not that type of player.  Nonetheless it was a dangerous tackle, studs up, and caught the city player.  Probably frustration at the ball getting away from him.  No arguments with a red.

[robgomm]

Definitely wanted to just win the ball back but it's dangerous without any arguing. Sort of tackle that if the player's standing leg is caught on the turf at all he could get it snapped. Hendo will learn, both from the bad touch and his reaction to it.

[Bergersrightwingviews]

We're going to miss him, but at least it has happened at a time when both Allen and Lucas are fit.

Stupid tackle, but these things happen.

[Big Bamber]

No problem with red but should appeal on "not violent/dangerous" grounds. Even though the chances of success are slim, the gain from winning such an appeal is 50% of our remaining games.

[WizzardontheWing]

No problem with red but should appeal on "not violent/dangerous" grounds. Even though the chances of success are slim, the gain from winning such an appeal is 50% of our remaining games.

Also how long is the appeal process and can he play while the case is ongoing..?

[suede lady]

I imagine the appeal would be heard this week. Is there not a personal hearing after a red card though?

But it seems pointless to appeal. The tackle was high, studs up, on the standing leg. No way they would reduce it, not even considering his excellent disciplinary record.

[lakes]

funny how things change, not long ago I would have sold him...now I gutted he is going to miss 3 games. theres no chance he will get off, it was clear as day that it was a red card studs up, silly mistake to make but wonder what made him do it.

[Buck Pete]

How long before you have to submit an appeal? If LFC stuck it in on say Friday it would not get heard in time for the Norwich game and we would have him for Sunday.

But I suppose that just delays the inevitable and he will then miss the last 3 games.

[sattapaartridge]

gutted for him getting a red, he's been ever present the whole way through.

but as people have said,we're lucky in a way, that we have lucas and allen fully fit and raring to go.

[Caston]

funny how things change, not long ago I would have sold him...now I gutted he is going to miss 3 games. theres no chance he will get off, it was clear as day that it was a red card studs up, silly mistake to make but wonder what made him do it.

Heavy touch, annoyed that the ball got away from him, wanted to make up for the mistake of giving the ball away.

[redmark]

How long before you have to submit an appeal? If LFC stuck it in on say Friday it would not get heard in time for the Norwich game and we would have him for Sunday.

But I suppose that just delays the inevitable and he will then miss the last 3 games.

An appeal would have to have been lodged by 1pm today. No waiting until Friday to get through the next game...

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Note also that the bar is 'clearly excessive' due to 'exceptional circumstances'. Not a winnable appeal.

[GrkStav]

This is a red, all-the-way. Even if, by some accident (e.g. the ball bouncing up quite a bit), he had only gotten the ball.

[Nessy76]

How long before you have to submit an appeal? If LFC stuck it in on say Friday it would not get heard in time for the Norwich game and we would have him for Sunday.

But I suppose that just delays the inevitable and he will then miss the last 3 games.

What would be the point? Frivolous appeals (which this would be, no-one could argue that's not a red card in a million years) can lead to more severe punishment.

[Chakan]

It would be a ludicrous appeal honestly. Anyone watching that will have to come to the conclusion it's a straight red. They would more than likely tack on another 1 game ban for being frivolous and he would be out for the season.

[rakey_lfc]

He'll be missed in the Chelsea game for sure. He was at the bridge. I can't remember who it was but someone clearly set out to hurt him that game because Mourinho knew he was our engine and the main man for our tempo. As soon as they achieved that, it allowed Chelsea to control the pace of the game.

[gerry7]

He will be back for the party 

[The G in Gerrard]

It would be a ludicrous appeal honestly. Anyone watching that will have to come to the conclusion it's a straight red.

[Crosby Nick]

He'll be missed in the Chelsea game for sure. He was at the bridge. I can't remember who it was but someone clearly set out to hurt him that game because Mourinho knew he was our engine and the main man for our tempo. As soon as they achieved that, it allowed Chelsea to control the pace of the game.

Eto'o nobbled him in the first couple of minutes which made his winner all the more galling.

Felt for him yesterday, just over eager with the tackle and was a victim of the circumstances to an extent - the whole stadium were a bag of nerves by that point and his touch deserted him leading to the rash tackle. Thankfully with Lucas and Allen available we have options there. It's the cover for Sturridge if he is out for any length of time that's the bigger concern at the moment especially as Moses will be unavailable for the Chelsea game (whatever your views on him he would clearly be in the squad if available).

[Wabaloolah]

He's an integral part and mainstay of a title challenging side, one bad tackle doesn't change anything. Just enjoy him harrying the hell out of the opposition and the passion, drive, and guts he shows. He doesn't have to be your favorite, but even without being a great finisher he's a Liverpool player through and through, at 23 years.

[PaisleyPrint]

Gutted to be honest. Not malicious but a definite red.  I'm going to blame Clattenberg cos I don't know where those extra five minutes came from.

[CLOCKSPEED]

Eto'o nobbled him in the first couple of minutes which made his winner all the more galling.

Felt for him yesterday, just over eager with the tackle and was a victim of the circumstances to an extent - the whole stadium were a bag of nerves by that point and his touch deserted him leading to the rash tackle. Thankfully with Lucas and Allen available we have options there. It's the cover for Sturridge if he is out for any length of time that's the bigger concern at the moment especially as Moses will be unavailable for the Chelsea game (whatever your views on him he would clearly be in the squad if available).

They have previous mind we playing well and they set out and succeeded in injuring Alonso out of the game without doubt they will target phillipe need Lucas there to help protect him from from snide attacks

[bigbear]

Gutted to be honest. Not malicious but a definite red.  I'm going to blame Clattenberg cos I don't know where those extra five minutes came from.

Poor panicky touch from Moses and then Hendo did the same. It is a blow but it's one we can overcome.

[decisivemoment]

Yeah, not worth trying to appeal that.  I just hope we can turn shit into sugar, win these games and use the game experience for those who will replace him for the next couple of weeks as a way of deepening the squad a little. 

[MrRaptorTurtle]

Am I right in saying that up until yesterday, Henderson had played every minute of every BPL game for us this season?