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EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« on: November 2, 2023, 03:59:14 pm »
Luton Town V Liverpool,
EPL, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm, Kenilworth Rd

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Luton Town FC, cool kit, shoe string budget, smart manager, good plan, great heart, on the up (for now).

The Past:

Including the 4-1 loss to Luton in the league in 1986 Liverpool have met Luton 18 times in all competitions since. We’ve won 7, ( twice at their place), drawn 7 and lost 4. My memories of playing away at Kenilworth Road are pure Groundhog Day. 4 plastic pitch drubbings in '86, '87, '88 and '92.  Tiny Nets, tiny pitch, tiny stadium, bouncing ball and big bloody centre forwards. Mike Newell, Ian Dowie (Natasha Dowie’s Dad ?), Mick Harford. We never managed to win there. It was always mid winter too.
Over those years they specialised in breaking our balls frankly.
Of the more recent games the standout was FA Cup third round, January 2006, a 5-3 win there, on grass. Stevie G with a belter only to be bettered by Xavi Alonso who got one from so far inside our half that the ball is still rolling into the net. At one stage we were 3-1 down, having missed a penalty, to the then struggling, lower league, Luton side.
To some Luton Town FC are a bit of a novelty, a joke even. Premier League virgins with their small, weirdly shaped stadium, jammed up against rows of houses, backyard’s, chimneys. A complete hotch-potch of make do and mend stands and terraces. For decades they have been a long, long way from our kind of limelight. UEFA’s anthem isn’t often heard down Luton way on a midweek night. But that’s not the whole story. They are an integral part of the web that used to beguile. They’ve been up, they’ve been down and basically they’ve been all around. Mostly in the background but a club with a heck of a story and many meaningful moments. Part of the fabric of football.
Way back when (late’60’s) I was just starting out on a curiosity affair with English leagues, Luton Town were a yo-yo club, up and down the 4 divisions. (They still are actually). Some of the football men (and men) associated with the club in those (my) early days were Bruce Rioch, Malcolm Macdonald, Mick Harford, David Pleat and comedian, Eric Morecambe, (a director).
Pleat was a ground breaking manager. In the ’80’s his Luton team was notable at the time for the number of black players it included. In an era when many English squads were almost entirely white, Luton often fielded a mostly black team. I remember talented players such as Ricky Hill and Brian Stein to this day.
On the last day of the 1982–83 season, the club's first back in the top tier, they narrowly escaped relegation: playing Manchester City at Maine Road, Luton needed to win to stay up, while City could escape with a draw. A late winner by Yugoslavian substitute Raddy Antić saved the team and prompted Pleat to dance across the pitch performing a "jig of joy”. Classic football moment. Authentic City too, blowing it like only they could do.
Luton achieved their highest ever league position, seventh, under John Moore in 1986–87, and, managed by Ray Harford, won the Football League Cup a year later with a 3–2 win over Arsenal. They managed to get to the final again the following season but lost.
Luton then nose-dived down to the 4th rung of the EFL, bouncing around, even going into administration a couple of times. Indeed the club had a total of 30 points docked from its 2008–09 record by the Football Association and the Football League for financial irregularities dating back several years. Interesting. (I’d “shout Hooray” if that happened again, to you know who.)
They finally bowed out of EFL in 2010 and went into the Conference Premier. After failing 3 times in the play-offs they managed to get out in 2014 and over the next 9 seasons slowly and steadily clawed their way back up the leagues. Promoted once again last season Luton won their first ever Premier League game on 30 September 2023, beating Everton 2–1 away at Goodison Park. Bless ‘em.

The Present:

Ryan Giles. 5.85 M is their record signing, I never heard of him. Don’t think he’s played yet for them. Other big moves this summer, in a record transfer outlay for Luton, include:

Tahith Chong  4.7 M
Mads Anderson 3.5 M
Jacob Brown 2.9 M
Marvelous Nakemba 2.9 M
Thomas Kaminski  2.9 M
Ross Barkley Free
Chiedozie Ogbene Free
Plus loans and other free transfers (see Andros Townsend below) ….
So there you go…. A grand total of 23 Million or so, or one and a half Endo’s.

They have actually accumulated 5 points already, 60% thanks to Everton. They started the season alternating between a 5-3-2 and a 3-4-3 formation. Of late it’s 4-4-2. They are a huge team. Of the 14 players who have participated in most their games so far, 3 are over 190cm, and only 3 are below 180cm.
They pass long, from back to front, with midfielders and wing-backs supporting and competing for second balls (good old Jack Charlton, put them under pressure). The direct speed of their attacks was the fastest in the Championship last season. They are aggressive, strong in the air, and hardworking. Dead balls, long passes or crosses, they throw everything into the box. Think Wimbledon, Stoke or old school Burnley on speed.

They have 9 goals scored (with 20 conceded) although there is only ever a goal in it apart from the first 2 (and last) League games. Nearly all their games have been tight affairs. It is something to be aware of. They score from dead ball situations (5) and crosses (3) with a brilliant Villa own goal last weekend.

I watched the highlights of that Villa game (3-1). It was a combination of attacking space, quickness of movement and thought which brought Villa their first couple of goals. Playing in the spaces between the left centre back and the wing/full back repeatedly brought joy to Villa and skewered Luton. Another observation was that Villa would have been probably the best team (taking out a 10-man Spurs) they have faced until now and Luton looked well outclassed, only scoring from a comical own goal. Going on those highlights they didn’t have much of a threat  bar the inevitable dead ball / free kick situation. Maybe Ogbene looked good going forward, big, fast and direct. Ex-Palace and blue Andros Townsend was playing for them which was news to me.

I am sure that Jurgan and the backroom staff will have various plans for these. However going on the Villa game surely Trent, Szobo, Mo & Co will be rubbing their hands at the thought of exploiting their left side.

The Game:

Well the aerial bombardment of last night will be good practise for what's likely to come on Sunday (If we allow it). It could be a dogfight and particularly so if we do our (early) season defining “let’s give the opposition a goal start” trick again. This is really the biggest game of the season for Luton, nothing is expected from them, nothing to lose and they will be well rested and ready for this. Some big team may well come a cropper at Kenilworth Road this season. However, If we show up, work hard, keep the tempo up, be clinical, then we should win comfortably, (like murder them).

As ever 3 points are what matters to us so I’m happy with a 1-0, but, I think if we get a couple in front it could one of those evenings. As long as we score first. And damn that plastic pitch. We still owe them.
« Last Edit: November 2, 2023, 04:07:47 pm by Dougle »

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #1 on: November 2, 2023, 04:17:20 pm »
8-0 to the reds.

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #2 on: November 2, 2023, 04:18:23 pm »
One of my first memories of seeing anything Redmen related was circa 1988/89 losing 1-0 on their plastic pitch with Mike Hooper in goal.
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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #3 on: November 2, 2023, 04:23:54 pm »
I wouldnt really be happy with a 1-0. We should be hammering these quite easily.
Honestly think they are a poor championship side who had a freak season last year.

That said we did struggle with the poor sides last season so as long as

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #4 on: November 2, 2023, 06:14:47 pm »
I wouldnt really be happy with a 1-0. We should be hammering these quite easily.
Honestly think they are a poor championship side who had a freak season last year.

That said we did struggle with the poor sides last season so as long as

I’d take a 1-0 win if offered now. A wins a win.
I’d prefer something more comfortable but premier league away wins aren’t always straightforward.

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #5 on: November 2, 2023, 09:44:28 pm »
Seems like a tricky one! Hope we get the win.

I guess Klopp goes all out again in this game (Considering Salah, Szobo all playing 70+ mins) and then makes the big changes for the Toulouse game. Macca needs to get the yellow right? He's on 4 YCs and if he get's a yellow against Brentford, he'll miss City.
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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #6 on: November 2, 2023, 09:50:31 pm »
Massive banana skin this, though having played at a similarly small ground this week, it'll give the players a bit of a heads up.

They won't be used to the torrent of abuse they'll get there ... Luton is no polite South Coast crowd  ;D

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #7 on: November 2, 2023, 10:06:01 pm »
Thanks for the OP Roger (Edit: sorry Dougle!!)

I can vaguely remember those 80s games and our struggles with the plastic pitch. Didn’t Mike Newell score a hatrick for them against us once? Edit it was that 4-1 game in 86/87.

Like Redsnappa I also have an uneasy feeling about this, probably due to the history and I dreamt we lost 1-0 last night.

Reality is we should be winning this comfortably and hopefully that will be what happens. Feels like we’re building towards a big season and we must avoid dropping points in games like this.

Hopefully no new injuries from midweek. I’d like to see Curtis back in, the rest of the team pretty much picks itself right now, unless Jurgen decides to change things up a bit
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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #8 on: November 2, 2023, 10:09:09 pm »
We're facing a formidable challenge here. Getting a result here would be utopia. 
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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #9 on: November 2, 2023, 10:21:08 pm »
The frustration of getting turned over by Mick Harford and co on the plaggy pitch with the weird stand made out of patio doors is still a vivid memory.
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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #10 on: November 2, 2023, 10:23:25 pm »
One of those you are left thinking they are due a result against someone. Hopefully that someone is not us.

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #11 on: November 3, 2023, 12:09:33 am »
One of those you are left thinking they are due a result against someone. Hopefully that someone is not us.

They have had a recent result - draw against Notts Forest 2 games ago.

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #12 on: November 3, 2023, 12:26:42 am »
Another 3-1 I reckon
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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #13 on: November 3, 2023, 01:10:18 am »
Will the team fly into Luton airport?
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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #14 on: November 3, 2023, 01:14:20 am »
Will the team fly into Luton airport?
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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #15 on: November 3, 2023, 01:34:02 am »
We haven;t left the coach, We're still driving around. The lads are on their 5th Fish & Chips portion.

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #16 on: November 3, 2023, 01:50:26 am »
The most interesting thing is what we do in midfield. Jones is back from suspension now so does he come in? Is this an opportunity to use Endo from the start in a league match? Does Dom get a rest?

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #17 on: November 3, 2023, 02:14:29 am »
The most interesting thing is what we do in midfield. Jones is back from suspension now so does he come in? Is this an opportunity to use Endo from the start in a league match? Does Dom get a rest?

I believe Jones will come back in.   Grav has played quite a bit more than he would have expected to do.   



The other issue is with Mac and whether we want him to pick up a yellow to miss the Brentford game.   Not ideal if he gets his 5th yellow card in the Brentford game and is then banned for the sportswashers away post international break.
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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #18 on: November 3, 2023, 02:14:58 am »
Is Storm Ciaran still going to be an issue by Sunday?
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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #19 on: November 3, 2023, 09:26:45 am »
Is Storm Ciaran still going to be an issue by Sunday?

Dont know but Storm Darwin clearly will be!
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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #20 on: November 3, 2023, 09:28:11 am »
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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #21 on: November 3, 2023, 09:35:46 am »
There was a young striker from Luton
Who struggled to get his left boot on.
He burst through at pace
Caught his foot in his lace,
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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #22 on: November 3, 2023, 09:39:48 am »
Alonso from the half way to seal it for us.
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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #23 on: November 3, 2023, 09:43:27 am »
Alonso from the half way to seal it for us.
with his wrong foot.
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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #24 on: November 3, 2023, 09:52:52 am »
Is Storm Ciaran still going to be an issue by Sunday?
Doubt it. I'm in SW London and it's been a relatively clear this morning. Looks to be dry in Luton from about 10am on Sunday morning

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #25 on: November 3, 2023, 10:26:29 am »
Nice one Dougle. Great analysis of Luton, Thanks for that

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #26 on: November 3, 2023, 10:31:56 am »
We're facing a formidable challenge here. Getting a result here would be utopia. 

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #28 on: November 3, 2023, 11:20:21 am »
Not saying I'm expecting one of the most comfortable wins we'll ever get, but we should be relatively comfortable here. Just make sure we're not hanging on to something near the end or even worse, chasing the game. Have it won earlier in the 2nd half than later I suppose I'm saying. Just score more goals than they do, actually.

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #29 on: November 3, 2023, 11:25:34 am »
Feel like this is a game where Nunez might cut loose with 3 or 4

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #30 on: November 3, 2023, 11:27:53 am »
Should be an easy win in theory but never underestimate your opponent. They're gonna park the bus and we will probably need a lot of patience.

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #31 on: November 3, 2023, 11:31:55 am »
Same team as Forest.
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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #32 on: November 3, 2023, 11:52:05 am »
Seems like a tricky one! Hope we get the win.

I guess Klopp goes all out again in this game (Considering Salah, Szobo all playing 70+ mins) and then makes the big changes for the Toulouse game. Macca needs to get the yellow right? He's on 4 YCs and if he get's a yellow against Brentford, he'll miss City.

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #33 on: November 3, 2023, 11:58:16 am »
I wouldnt really be happy with a 1-0. We should be hammering these quite easily.
Honestly think they are a poor championship side who had a freak season last year.


They finished 6th in 21/22 and lost in the playoffs, hardly a freak that they went one better the following season.

They will probably go down but they deserve far more respect than people are giving them. Nobody has hammered them all season.

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #34 on: November 3, 2023, 12:03:07 pm »
They're going to get squished

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #35 on: November 3, 2023, 12:08:06 pm »
Just beat them. Any win.

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #36 on: November 3, 2023, 01:10:58 pm »
Lovely stuff, Dougle.  I really enjoyed that  :thumbup

It's funny you should talk about comedic own goals as the last league goal Luton scored against us was a Nicky Tanner special:
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/hLlwnCjvruA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/hLlwnCjvruA</a>
(https://www.lfchistory.net/seasonarchive/game/1826)

Reading about a team of six footers loading up the penalty area would have given me cold sweats in years gone by.  We generally deal with that sort of tactic so well these days.

These are fundamentally still a Championship side and even the players they've signed are really Championship level, albeit they might have a few rough diamonds amongst them.  Hopefully a comfortable afternoon for us and a bit more wind in our sails.
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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #37 on: November 3, 2023, 01:24:04 pm »
Looking forward to seeing Darwin in action again.

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #38 on: November 3, 2023, 01:39:21 pm »
"Referee Anthony Taylor has been demoted to the Championship after giving a controversial penalty against Wolves". Just up on Reddit sourced from Wolverhampton Express and Star.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/17mv2ls/ref_watch_anthony_taylor_has_been_demoted_to_the/

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Re: EPL: Luton Town v Liverpool, Sunday Nov 5th, 4.30pm
« Reply #39 on: November 3, 2023, 02:16:26 pm »
Lovely stuff, Dougle.  I really enjoyed that  :thumbup

It's funny you should talk about comedic own goals as the last league goal Luton scored against us was a Nicky Tanner special:
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/hLlwnCjvruA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/hLlwnCjvruA</a>
(https://www.lfchistory.net/seasonarchive/game/1826)

Reading about a team of six footers loading up the penalty area would have given me cold sweats in years gone by.  We generally deal with that sort of tactic so well these days.

These are fundamentally still a Championship side and even the players they've signed are really Championship level, albeit they might have a few rough diamonds amongst them.  Hopefully a comfortable afternoon for us and a bit more wind in our sails.

Christ that brought back some painful memories! That must have been the 91/92 season? Think it was late December or early Jan? Rush out injured by the look of it. A very young McManaman up top.