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Liverpool v Toulouse

Anfield, Thursday October 26th, 8.00pm

Europa League, Group stage, Match Day 3


Referees etc….. Nothing yet.




UEFA Cup 1973.

Eintracht Frankfurt, AEK Athens, Dynamo Berlin, Dynamo Dresden, Spurs and Borussia Mönchen Gladbach.

UEFA Cup 1976.

Hibernian, Real Sociedad, Slask Wroclaw, Dynamo Dresden again, Barcelona and Club Brugge.

The early ’70’s. No live tv. Just radio and imagination. The finals were 2 legged, home and away affairs.

1973. The final. Borussia Mönchen Gladbach, first leg, 3-0 at home. Clemence saves a penalty. Away leg lost 2-0, hung on by our fingernails. Gunther Netzer, class. Berti Vogts pure mule. The start of a kind of cult relationship between the supporters of the 2 clubs. Shankly marking Europe. Our first European trophy.

1976. The final, Club Brugge, first leg, 2 down at home into the second half. Then Case and Keegan (2) into a full standing Kop, Steve Heighway on the wing, 3 goals in 5 glorious, frantic, unbelievable minutes (we patented it for future use). My radio blew up with the excitement. Second leg 1-1, again hung on by our fingernails. Brugge were class we were victorious. Our second European trophy.

We went on to meet them again in the 1978 Big Cup final. Kenny.

It was a huge competition in it’s day. Generally only the second placed league teams the season before qualified to play in it. They were often the best teams by the next season. It was gold standard European football.

And I guess it was times of hope, possibility, mystery, black and white tele. It was Liverpool on the rise, surging from the muck and mist. The making of the myth...

2023.

Our next European Europa League Group stage fixture is against one of, if not the greatest, most storied of French teams. Les Rouges et Noir, the aristocrats, the record 5 times European and 22 time national champions who provide not only arguably the greatest player in the world today but the backbone, the skill, steel and sleekness of the French national team, Toulouse.
Well it would be if we played rugby.

Instead it’s their rather poorer, football playing, same city neighbours, also named Toulouse.


Toulouse FC.

Historically they have 2 French cups and 4 division 2 titles in a combined history of 85 years. They were Wimbletoned back in 1967 and reformed under a slightly altered name in 1970. On 21 July 2020, RedBird Capital Partners (also investors in FSG ) acquired an 85% stake in Toulouse FC. The club achieved promotion back to Ligue 1 by winning the second tier in 2022. On 29 April 2023, Toulouse won its second ever French Cup title dispatching Nantes 5-1. They seem to be on the up as a club.

This season they are plodding along, mid table in Ligue 1. Played 9, won 2 lost 2. Neither a scorer nor a conceder be they. 9 games in with 10 scored, 9 conceded, at the time of writing this. Their stadium is a pleasant, modern (rebuilt in 2016) 31,000 seater.

They have actually played Liverpool in the Europa League group phase back in 2007. Liverpool won 1-0 and 4-0.

Another connection with LFC is club president Damien Comolli who was our original "Michael Edwards”, (early FSG - Kenny Dalglish era). Stewart Downing, Charlie Adam and the ponytail from Newcastle always stick in my mind as relative failures but he also brought in Luis Suarez, Craig Bellamy, Jordan Henderson, Seb Coates and José Enrique who all had good times at Liverpool and (mostly) long successful careers themselves. So, on the balance I think he did well.

To that end I took a look at the ins and outs of Toulouse last summer. Comolli brought in 13 players and 15 left. They brought in zero in upfront fees and spent 11 million. A bit of difference in scale to England. Toulouse have a squad made up of about a dozen nationalities including Spanish, French, Danes, Swedes, Fins, Swiss, Moroccans, Central Americans and assorted Africans. It amounts to a new squad and team in reality. Unfortunately I don't recognise a single player in the squad list so I have nothing to add on that. I also have no idea of the style of football they employ but in the Europa League group games so far they have done quite well. They drew away with USG and beat LASK 1-0 in the last round. They will fancy qualifying themselves and have something to gain from a result of any kind.

French football, for me, is a first cousin of traditional English football. Athletic, hard, fast and tough and I expect Toulouse will give it a decent go at Anfield and a real blast, in front of their own support, the following game. I wouldn’t take them lightly as these 2 games are glamour ties for Toulouse, I’m sure Jurgan won’t. Given that, I imagine we’ll follow our big rotation policy as per usual in this competition.
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The midweek Europa League team has had 6 players starting both games, Konaté, Kostas, Endo, Gravenberch, Harvey and Nunez. Given Robbo’s on-going absence we might be having a bit of a question mark at left fullback.

Liverpool warmed up for this with a comfortable, almost predictable, run out against Everton. With 6 points on board already another win here would practically qualify us. So it’s a win without complications (injuries) please.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2023, 11:21:48 am by Dougle »

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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2023, 10:30:07 pm »
That’s a great write up Dougie, thanks
Sounds like they keep it tight
Might be difficult to open up with a rotated team
But how rotated can we get?
I expect to see Quansah and possibly Chambers

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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2023, 11:37:02 pm »
That’s a great write up Dougie, thanks
Sounds like they keep it tight
Might be difficult to open up with a rotated team
But how rotated can we get?
I expect to see Quansah and possibly Chambers
Should be a lot of rotation at the back and midfield:

          Kelleher

Gomez Matip Quansah chambers

    Elliott Endo Jones

Can’t see the back 8 being much different to that.
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2023, 11:49:40 pm »
Cheers Dougle! Here are a couple of extra articles for anyone who wants to know more about our next opponents:

Stats, scouting and smart coaching: how Toulouse exceed expectations

Toulouse win their first major trophy – and show a way to succeed in Ligue 1

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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2023, 12:07:13 am »
Should be a lot of rotation at the back and midfield:

          Kelleher

Gomez Matip Quansah chambers

    Elliott Endo Jones

Can’t see the back 8 being much different to that.

That’s an excellent side.

Would maybe throw in another midfielder and out Elliott further forward with Jota / Gakpo.

Want Nunez on bench so he starts on Sunday.
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2023, 12:13:06 am »
Should be a lot of rotation at the back and midfield:

          Kelleher

Gomez Matip Quansah chambers

    Elliott Endo Jones

Can’t see the back 8 being much different to that.

I can.

Kostas needs game time to get match fit. Chambers can come in after we get qualification sorted in the next two matches.
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2023, 12:14:35 am »
I can.

Kostas needs game time to get match fit. Chambers can come in after we get qualification sorted in the next two matches.

So not much different then, just one change  ;D
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2023, 12:15:28 am »
That’s an excellent side.

Would maybe throw in another midfielder and out Elliott further forward with Jota / Gakpo.

Want Nunez on bench so he starts on Sunday.
Possibly yes, although I’d be inclined to start Nunez in both.
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2023, 12:55:31 am »

So not much different then, just one change  ;D

to be honest..

Trent, Gomez, Quansah, Tsimikas would be my guess for the back 4.

Wouldn't surprise me if Gomez and Matip are the two CB's.
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2023, 01:18:18 am »
Joe can play lb  ;D

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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2023, 08:15:19 am »
Great sausages which make for a great stew.

I would have thought that Quansah starts, with Endo in midfield and perhaps a few other tweaks
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2023, 08:16:11 am »
to be honest..

Trent, Gomez, Quansah, Tsimikas would be my guess for the back 4.

Wouldn't surprise me if Gomez and Matip are the two CB's.
Possibly, Trent arguably does need game time but with such winnable league games coming up, I’m hoping Jurgen rests him as much as possible for weekends.
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2023, 08:54:32 am »
lets win this with goals
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2023, 09:20:50 am »
lets win this with goals
As opposed to what? goal kicks?
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2023, 09:21:06 am »
Gonna be stroll in the park, I guess?
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2023, 09:23:38 am »
Would be a big shock if we were Toulouse this game.
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2023, 10:01:17 am »
Great sausages which make for a great stew.

I would have thought that Quansah starts, with Endo in midfield and perhaps a few other tweaks
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2023, 10:50:20 am »
Think it will be like Union. We will strong enough maybe a few players off at 45. Get a win we are great shape to rest players going into november & december.

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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2023, 11:10:17 am »
I expect something closer to a first team here, Toulouse are no mugs, they have drawn with PSG this season. Think Jürgen will go strong to get it in the bag and hopefully make a bunch of changes on 60. Get the 3 points here and he can then go full reserve team the next 3 fixtures.

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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2023, 11:27:12 am »
Thanks Dougle for the trip down memory lane. I remember Gunther Netzer and Berti Vogts. Netzer was a fantastic midfield player and Vogts was a super fullback. It was Vogts who Keegan ran ragged in the European Cup final in 1977.

Not sure what team we'll put out but I expect Kelleher, Gomez, Matip, Quansah and Tsimikas to play. We should be too strong for them even if we have to bring on the likes of Salah to see us over the line.
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2023, 11:42:56 am »
Hopefully we can play with a bit of tempo that's been missing from the other 2, I know it's difficult to just magic up the mentality that this is a huge game from thin air but still, would be nice to slack off when we're 2 or 3 up not at 0-0.

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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2023, 12:20:41 pm »
Would like to see Mo rested for this one - Harvey could always start in his role.

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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2023, 12:22:17 pm »
Would like to see Mo rested for this one - Harvey could always start in his role.

Yeah I think that'd be good.  Elliott has been great off the bench lately, deserves a start, but he might be taking one of the midfield spots instead.
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2023, 12:48:45 pm »
Win next 2 v Toulouse and we are almost guaranteed top spot in the group, avoiding the last 32 round of games as group winners.

Still think we’ll rotate a bit here. Expect Kelleher, Matip, Gomez, Endo, Jones and Elliott to get starts. Think Gakpo, Tsimikas and Nunez likely start too. Think the Q mark is around the other 2 starters. Is it more Quansah and Doak? Or does Klopp play a Trent or Konate in defence and pick one of Salah, Jota or Diaz to start in the front 3?
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2023, 01:16:41 pm »
I'd like to give Dom the night off.  maybe not even on the bench.

he's played a LOT of football already - I know he's a machine and all that but let's keep him fresh and not use him when it shouldn't be necessary.

how close to fitness is Baj?  and Cody?

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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2023, 01:19:34 pm »
Looks like the fixtures will really start to pile up in December so would be good if we could make the last 2 dead rubbers. Hopefully LASK can take something from USG in one of their 2 games and we beat Toulouse home and away to wrap it up early.

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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2023, 01:44:51 pm »
Do we bring back Voronin for this?

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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2023, 02:22:19 pm »
When we played these in 2007 I mentioned we were playing Toulouse to the missus.

She came back with "why are we playing to lose".  I still bring it up from time to time.  I think she beat me to it this year when the draw was made - she gave me that stare!

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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2023, 06:09:40 pm »
Kelleher
Gomez   Matip   'The Q'   Tsimikas
Bajcetic   Endo   Jones
Elliot   Jota   Gakpo

Don't really know what I'm going for with that midfield but all three probably need the minutes right now. We're down to Tsimikas as far as senior left backs go, but considering he only got an hour at the weekend why not 45/60 mins here.
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2023, 06:13:46 pm »
Kelleher
Gomez   Matip   'The Q'   Tsimikas
Bajcetic   Endo   Jones
Elliot   Jota   Gakpo

Don't really know what I'm going for with that midfield but all three probably need the minutes right now. We're down to Tsimikas as far as senior left backs go, but considering he only got an hour at the weekend why not 45/60 mins here.
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2023, 06:45:14 pm »
Bradley, Robertson, Bajcetic, Thiago, Clark, and Doak, probably all miss out. On Sunday against Forest I'd go Alisson, Trent, Tsimikas, Konate, van Djik, Mac Allister, Gravenberch, Szoboszlai, Salah, Diaz, and Nunez.

So I’d go for the below on Thursday. Take Tsimikas off at half time, move Gomez to LB, and bring on Trent at RB. Nunez for Gakpo at half time as he’s coming back off injury and also Nunez probably benefits from 45 minutes ahead of Forest on Sunday. If we have a nice lead then Szoboszlai should also be coming off at half time but either way you wouldn’t want him playing more than an hour ahead of Sunday.


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Gomez          Matip          Quansah          Tsimikas


      Szoboszlai         Endo          Jones


           Elliott          Gakpo          Jota


Subs: Alisson, Jaros, Trent, Scanlon, Konate, van Djik, McConnell, Mac Allister, Gravenberch, Salah, Diaz, and Nunez

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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2023, 07:12:20 pm »
Bradley, Robertson, Bajcetic, Thiago, Clark, and Doak, probably all miss out. On Sunday against Forest I'd go Alisson, Trent, Tsimikas, Konate, van Djik, Mac Allister, Gravenberch, Szoboszlai, Salah, Diaz, and Nunez.

So I’d go for the below on Thursday. Take Tsimikas off at half time, move Gomez to LB, and bring on Trent at RB. Nunez for Gakpo at half time as he’s coming back off injury and also Nunez probably benefits from 45 minutes ahead of Forest on Sunday. If we have a nice lead then Szoboszlai should also be coming off at half time but either way you wouldn’t want him playing more than an hour ahead of Sunday.


                           Kelleher


Gomez          Matip          Quansah          Tsimikas


      Szoboszlai         Endo          Jones


           Elliott          Gakpo          Jota


Subs: Alisson, Jaros, Trent, Scanlon, Konate, van Djik, McConnell, Mac Allister, Gravenberch, Salah, Diaz, and Nunez

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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2023, 07:33:38 pm »
If we can just get through this with a win I'd say the last three games you can pick anything and we'd possibly still be alright to win the group. Should only really require four wins overall as I can't see Toulouse matching or even besting that.
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2023, 07:35:44 pm »
I went to watch Nice v Marseille the other day. It was so slow. Put toulouse under any sort of pressure and they won't cope.

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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2023, 07:42:09 pm »
Nice write up Dougle, thanks :)

Think Commolli gets a bit of a bad rep for his time here. Understandably so in some respects, there were some big money misses but looking at the players you mentioned, it wasn't all bad.
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2023, 07:45:31 pm »
Kelleher
Gomez   Matip   'The Q'   Tsimikas
Bajcetic   Endo   Jones
Elliot   Jota   Gakpo

Don't really know what I'm going for with that midfield but all three probably need the minutes right now. We're down to Tsimikas as far as senior left backs go, but considering he only got an hour at the weekend why not 45/60 mins here.

'The Q' :D I keep pronouncing his name as Yarell, a la Charles Dance in The Golden Child (underrated movie).

I like that team, but somehow don't think we'll play Bajcetic and Endo together. Maybe Elliott in for Bajcetic and one of the other forwards up front, maybe Diaz. Also, is Kelleher fit?
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2023, 07:52:07 pm »
I don't think Tsimikas will be risked.
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2023, 08:02:44 pm »
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Re: Liverpool v Toulouse, Europa League, Thursday 26th, 8.00pm, Anfield,
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2023, 09:14:04 pm »
Chambers has to start.

I was a bit surprised Scanlon made the bench ahead of Chambers for the derby - any ideas why?