Author Topic: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool (Read 552083 times)

bigbear · « **Reply #7160 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:09:00 pm »

Quote from: Prof on November 30, 2011, 10:05:37 pm

It depends which ligament. The role of the cruciate ligaments is to stabilise the knee joint in the forward and backward directions (think of the thigh bone trying to slide across the top of the shin bone).

In years gone by, a snapped cruciate ligament wasn't often diagnosed, let alone fixed, but players did return from them, the trouble was though, without the snapped ligament, more damage was caused later.

That's why my knee is knackered now from continuing to play when it was actually unstable. Lots of older players would do that too because there was no successful operation to remedy it. I seem to recall Dean Saunders played a while with no ACL.

scott · « **Reply #7161 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:09:31 pm »

Adam and Gerrard CANNOT play in the middle together as a two, sounds stupid but i'd play Jay Spearing with Adam and have Gerrard playing off Suarez.

Lucas will be out for the season, gutted.

killer-heels · « **Reply #7162 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:12:23 pm »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/7606271.stm

Essiens injury details. Seems to be similar to Lucas, if reports are to be believed.

Believe · « **Reply #7163 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:13:30 pm »

Distraught at this, can't believe the bad luck. Wish him a speedy and complete recovery.

The thought of a serious, serious knee injury for him makes me feel sick. If anyone can come back stronger than before it's him. Fingers crossed. Also, the FA should answer for this: fucking disgusting cramming the fixture list and putting athletes in danger.

Cooper-Man · « **Reply #7164 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:14:41 pm »

Quote from: PJG on November 30, 2011, 09:51:23 pm

Yeah. I remember hearing about that as well. I think this is it:

but I don't think it worked very well: http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2011/11/09/staker-gets-more-bad-news/

I think it did fail, but it shows that there are so many options. In the NRL in Aus an ACL is common. Its all in the rehab. I have a lot of faith in the medical team LFC have. Also recovery can be reduced if the conditioning of the knee befre the injury was good. The training staff at LFC are some of the best in the world. The players should have some really good conditioning which I pray means the injury ISNT that bad. I hope the scans show this.

Fingers crossed.

peterb17 · « **Reply #7165 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:17:35 pm »

Quote from: scott on November 30, 2011, 10:09:31 pm

Adam and Gerrard CANNOT play in the middle together as a two, sounds stupid but i'd play Jay Spearing with Adam and have Gerrard playing off Suarez.

Lucas will be out for the season, gutted.

said before reckon Kenny will play Henderson in his preferred central mid role alongside Adam. Kenny hasn't once played Spearing over henderson even when bringing on subs.....Anyway 2 mins away from Manchester City in the semis

just Riggins? · « **Reply #7166 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:18:45 pm »

He definitely deserves a massive show of support if it is serious. We should organise something for him.

Stussy · « **Reply #7167 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:23:04 pm »

If true, its a real kick in the gut at a moment in which he has blossomed in every game as an absolute boss of the grass, and at a moment in which everything is looking good and coming together nicely.

However, these are the things that teams and seasons are made of - dealing with disasters like this. No doubt he has been the beating heart of the side this season, he raises the game. Its Kenny's job to fix this, inspiring in the face of the disadvantage, and the players earn their salaries by stepping up and compensating.

Every season is an examination, not just an adventure.

rusty-la · « **Reply #7168 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:25:40 pm »

Any one. Just any one, please quote a valid source.

I could be missing something here, how is the Lad?

DoogyRev · « **Reply #7169 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:28:27 pm »

Gutted for Lucas, love the lad. Who we got who can play defensive mid and has his tackling / distribution stats???

rowan_d · « **Reply #7170 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:28:55 pm »

Something that pisses me off related to Lucas:

The way commentators and the media say that he was derided by Liverpool fans for his first few seasons. Firstly, it wasn't all of us who treated him like shit. Secondly, those bellends were the first to have a pop whenever he misplaced a pass or commited a foul.

Tomo! · « **Reply #7171 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:29:03 pm »

Quote from: Stussy on November 30, 2011, 10:23:04 pm

If true, its a real kick in the gut at a moment in which he has blossomed in every game as an absolute boss of the grass, and at a moment in which everything is looking good and coming together nicely.

However, these are the things that teams and seasons are made of - dealing with disasters like this. No doubt he has been the beating heart of the side this season, he raises the game. Its Kenny's job to fix this, inspiring in the face of the disadvantage, and the players earn their salaries by stepping up and compensating.

Every season is an examination, not just an adventure.

Agree, good as he is we can't solely rely on him or any other individual to make or break our season.

Squad needs to take this in there stride,adapt and move on.

jfc · « **Reply #7172 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:32:07 pm »

Quote from: SHERGRIMRED on November 30, 2011, 09:37:34 pm

Maybe carra could come in and do a job as a holding midfielder might be one way kenny will get him back in the team.

jesus christ

Fordy · « **Reply #7173 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:34:18 pm »

Quote from: scott on November 30, 2011, 10:09:31 pm

Adam and Gerrard CANNOT play in the middle together as a two, sounds stupid but i'd play Jay Spearing with Adam and have Gerrard playing off Suarez.

Lucas will be out for the season, gutted.

No it doesn't sound stupid mate. Henderson can play CM also.

Think Kenny wanted to play 3 in mid but Gerrard been having injury problems as you know.

Hopefully Gerrard back soon and we might be able to dip in the transfer market to get cover for Lucas. We needed to sign cover for Lucas anyway.

Gutted that he is going to be out for a long time.

gallden · « **Reply #7174 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:34:38 pm »

Quote from: rowan_d on November 30, 2011, 09:45:00 pm

That's an undeniable fact

If we'd have let City score there would have been no need for Mata to come on at all thus no tackle from Lucas on Mata.

cptrios · « **Reply #7175 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:34:50 pm »

Quote from: scott on November 30, 2011, 10:09:31 pm

Adam and Gerrard CANNOT play in the middle together as a two, sounds stupid but i'd play Jay Spearing with Adam and have Gerrard playing off Suarez.

Not stupid at all. Plug Henderson in for Gerrard until the latter is fit, and that's our best midfield option at the moment. Jay really came through for us last year, and there's no reason to think he won't do it again now.

BazC · « **Reply #7176 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:36:44 pm »

Gutted. Just when he was getting recognised for his brilliance by everyone...

Redcap · « **Reply #7177 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:39:13 pm »

Not sure if we should wait for a confirmation from a more official source..and not sure whether I'm more gutted for Lucas or for the team.

Probably for Lucas. It's a massive blow to our chances, as we're going to struggle to find a like for like replacement for him anywhere in the world for a period that long. But it is a wake-up call and I hope it means we will finally buy someone to cover for him in January.

Not sure what Jonjo Shelvey has to do with anything. He plays in a completely different role to Lucas.

chris.volante · « **Reply #7178 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:41:42 pm »

Quote from: hesbighesred on November 30, 2011, 05:58:40 pm

Thanks for that. Some highlights:

However, the success of the sensorimotor system is largely dependent upon the speed of the nerve signals to and from the brain, as well as the muscles ability to rapidly develop sufficient power to take evasive action.

Nerve impulses are dependent upon the propagation of an electrical current, which is dependent on sodium and potassium ions. Once the impulse reaches the target muscle calcium ions are released causing excitation of muscle fibres and a muscle contraction. Muscle contraction itself has been shown to be affected by deficiencies in glycogen (the fuel for muscle contraction) as well as other muscle substrates. This can be classified as fatigue and, together with deficiencies in electrolytes such as calcium, potassium or sodium, can decrease the efficiency of the sensorimotor system.

The impulse to take evasive action takes a fraction of a second too long to be executed, causing inadequate ‘dynamic stabilisation’ of a joint. Once this system has failed to provide restraint, all the force of the uncoordinated movement is opposed only by ligaments which provide ‘passive stability’ to a joint. If the force is excessive the ligament will fail and become damaged. Which ligament or ligaments are affected is dependent on the direction to which the joint is unrestrained, with the degree of damage directly dependent on the level of force placed on the ligament.

Am I right in thinking that fatigue and short recovery times can exacerbate the damage caused by even the most innocuous of challenges?

Lemieux · « **Reply #7179 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:41:56 pm »

I'm 100% more gutted for Lucas than anyone else, haven't been this upset in a long time.

Ste08 · « **Reply #7180 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:44:02 pm »

Feel for him. It's such a shame, he'll be a massive loss.

Aristotle · « **Reply #7181 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:44:37 pm »

Quote from: killer_heels on November 30, 2011, 09:32:12 pm

If its a full tear then would he have been able to walk around and get up? I am no surgeon but previously these injuries have seen players just roll over in utter agony.

Well yeah. I mean when I snapped mine the screams were heard 3 towns over. But I still limped into the car once I managed to convince myself that I hadn't been struck down by the wrath of god and calmed down enough not to murder the fuckwit who fouled me. You don't really know what's wrong with it until it requires effort which is why Lucas could come on but the moment he was required to step up he fell to the ground clutching his knee.

bleedsred1978 · « **Reply #7182 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:44:45 pm »

I'm hoping that it wont be as bad as some on here think.

Let's wait for the club to make a statement about the severity of the injury, one more concrete than recalling Shelvey.

moses · « **Reply #7183 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:48:33 pm »

i once had a fungal toenail infection............................

Barneylfc∗ · « **Reply #7184 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:50:51 pm »

Just seen this. Fucking knew straight away last night this would be a bad one. Fucking devastated

Not Bob · « **Reply #7185 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:51:30 pm »

Quote from: rakey_lfc on November 30, 2011, 09:55:46 pm

On phone so can't quote but people I know who have fully torn knee ligaments have never gotten up and walked around let alone tried to run, Usually in far too much pain!

the knee can't function with a full tear of a ligament surely!?

Depends on the ligament? I did my LCL (outer one), heard it go, excused myself and practically walked back to the car. I was able to put some weight on it until after, when it swelled up. At that point I was already half a bottle of whiskey in (no insurance, you medicate the best you can) and didn't care much.

But I figure Lucas is a bit stronger and tougher, so can't see why he couldn't have a light jog. It looked awful, his did. Poor lad.

rowan_d · « **Reply #7186 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:53:22 pm »

The second Brukner motioned for the stretcher I got a horrible feeling

6BigCups · « **Reply #7187 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:54:18 pm »

Gutted about this. Aurelio as a DM, anyone?

rowan_d · « **Reply #7188 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:54:21 pm »

Quote from: moses on November 30, 2011, 10:48:33 pm

i once had a fungal toenail infection............................

Pfft. I stubbed my toe the other day

Crimson_Tank · « **Reply #7189 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:54:29 pm »

Poor lad, gutted for him more then I am for the loss to the team. Here's hoping for a speedy recovery.

MikkeB · « **Reply #7190 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:55:46 pm »

damn, just hope we can hold out till jan, thats how instrumental he is.

Rococo · « **Reply #7191 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:58:11 pm »

Quote from: 5BigCups on November 30, 2011, 10:54:18 pm

Gutted about this. Aurelio as a DM, anyone?

Thought that too but then thought it best to wait for confirmation of the injury before suggesting a replacement.

Reckon he could do a good job there though

King_doggerel · « **Reply #7192 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:58:44 pm »

Thank you Sky. Thank you FA. Two games in 2 days. 2 intense games. Fucj do you expext to happen?

Filler. · « **Reply #7193 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:58:46 pm »

a good mate of mine went off piste/pique? skiing and crashed - buggered up both his knees. Anterior in one, something similar in the other, I forget which way round. One was the big central ligament, the other a side one. He trudged back home arm round a mates shoulder for a good mile at least thru thick snow.
Very fit, always has been, won't be playing sport for a year. The walk apparently, probably did the most damage.

thekitkatshuffler · « **Reply #7194 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:59:22 pm »

He'll be fine.

Zverko · « **Reply #7195 on:** November 30, 2011, 11:00:22 pm »

Last time when I felt like this was when Lampard broke Alonso's leg, Really feel for him.

TepidT2O · « **Reply #7196 on:** November 30, 2011, 11:00:22 pm »

Quote from: thekitkatshuffler on November 30, 2011, 10:59:22 pm

He'll be fine.

Reassuring bonjela ..... Took 20 pages mind!

moses · « **Reply #7197 on:** November 30, 2011, 11:01:54 pm »

Quote from: rowan_d on November 30, 2011, 10:54:21 pm

Pfft. I stubbed my toe the other day

i suffered a self-inflicted paper cut and accidentally split salt into it the other day. beat that.

-Q- · « **Reply #7198 on:** November 30, 2011, 11:01:58 pm »

Gutted to lose him, especially for something so innocuous

Thought it was nothing

Can't underestimate his loss, particularly as we do not have a replacement. I guess Spearing (or Agger?) will fill in until January?

Veinticinco de Mayo · « **Reply #7199 on:** November 30, 2011, 11:02:20 pm »

Locked until there is firm news