Author Topic: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool (Read 552081 times)

Pepe or Agger (if he can consistently stay healthy) would get it before Lucas I think. Lucas is our midfield general, but IMO he doesn't have that charismatic personality. He's kind of quiet. Pepe and Agger definitely have it. They're constantly yelling and telling teammates what to do.

scatman · « **Reply #5686 on:** November 28, 2011, 08:34:11 am »

He is The General, The Boss, even Bruce Lee can't handle ou Leiva

Chivasino · « **Reply #5687 on:** November 28, 2011, 09:02:26 am »

His first name is Lucas, is Lucas, is Lucas,
His second name is Lieva, is Leiva, is Leiva,
And that's why we like him, we like him, we like him,
Infact we fucking love him, we love him, we love him......

surfer. Fuck you generator. · « **Reply #5688 on:** November 28, 2011, 09:10:05 am »

Playing for a move to City, that's him sorted for January then.

carling · « **Reply #5689 on:** November 28, 2011, 09:15:33 am »

Well deserved man of the match!

MiserableP15 · « **Reply #5690 on:** November 28, 2011, 09:16:54 am »

Quote from: Cool Hand Lucas on November 28, 2011, 08:02:15 am

I dunno you guys. lucas will run circles around pepe.

LOL. That's a quality gif mate.

I just want to concur everyone's views on Lucas. He is turning into such a complete midfielder. Who gives a shit if he doesn't score when every other facet of his game is so excellent. Again, his forward passing was so quick and incisive, and the amount of times I held my breath yesterday as he was about to thread a pass through a gap I couldn't see and it just went past the toes of Man City players to a team-mate.

His back-tracking is incredible, his work-rate is unmatched, his drive and tenacity was too much for a star studded Man City midfield. He has turned into an absolutely immense midfielder.

Hazell · « **Reply #5691 on:** November 28, 2011, 09:32:37 am »

Quote from: hesbighesred on November 28, 2011, 12:48:46 am

It came from an ITK on here, I think it was djphal. One of the reliable ones anyway. There was rumours about two players, think the other was Aquilani (IE them both being poor in training) and Aquilani was shipped out shortly after. I think it's fortunate for us that Poulsen was so dreadful, because if he'd had a decent start Lucas might have been sold too.

Yeah thanks. djphal's pretty good but I really think his source was either incorrect or that Purslow/Hodgson were completely wrong (most likely the latter). I don't believe for a second that Lucas is lazy or not a good trainer - I think I said before, having watched him these 5 years, both on the pitch and off it, and having watched him turn from whipping boy to having the captain's armband, it's extremely unlikely that he'd be the kind of person that was being suggested.

Adeemo · « **Reply #5692 on:** November 28, 2011, 09:35:27 am »

Quote from: Discipline on November 28, 2011, 05:27:06 am

Overall, a candinate for MOTM.

Understatement of the season?

scared_person · « **Reply #5693 on:** November 28, 2011, 09:52:47 am »

What a player!

Won every tackle, won every header and made almost every pass he tried. He just gets better and better.

How does he manage to win every header? He's not the biggest but he leaps like a salmon.

He is so, so important to the team.

givemekaliber · « **Reply #5694 on:** November 28, 2011, 09:59:34 am »

He was immense yesterday. Snuffed out almost everything that came his way. He and Adam can hold their heads up high after that performance.

bleedsred1978 · « **Reply #5695 on:** November 28, 2011, 10:03:42 am »

Quote from: Hazell on November 28, 2011, 09:32:37 am

Yeah thanks. djphal's pretty good but I really think his source was either incorrect or that Purslow/Hodgson were completely wrong (most likely the latter). I don't believe for a second that Lucas is lazy or not a good trainer - I think I said before, having watched him these 5 years, both on the pitch and off it, and having watched him turn from whipping boy to having the captain's armband, it's extremely unlikely that he'd be the kind of person that was being suggested.

Have to agree with that.

There's surely no way the lad is a slacker in training. Not least because his engine is so good on match days, that type of endurance can only be gained in training.

WooltonDave · « **Reply #5696 on:** November 28, 2011, 10:10:16 am »

You don't get into the Brazil midfield unless you have a modicum of "something" about you.

Lucas has grown, has become a must have on the team sheet, has become a collosus and is undoubtedly one, if not the best holding midfielder in the league..................he's still shite though

doikc · « **Reply #5697 on:** November 28, 2011, 10:10:34 am »

The rumors were started by Purslow to justify selling them. Bollocks he doesn't train well

LiamG · « **Reply #5698 on:** November 28, 2011, 10:14:15 am »

He was just simply unbelievable yesterday

gtazn · « **Reply #5699 on:** November 28, 2011, 11:11:15 am »

Lucas needed to be nothing less than immense against City, and he was...AND THEN SOME!

surfer. Fuck you generator. · « **Reply #5700 on:** November 28, 2011, 11:11:24 am »

Does't train well...please.

Remember an interview with Xabi after he had left talking about the difficulty of replacing him and Xabi said that there was already the player at the club who was better than him and it showed during training / words to that effect. He was referring to Lucas, it later turned out. Will see if a quick scan turns up any quotes, but I remember the gist of what was said clearly.

Lucas won't replace Alonso nor Masch, but he has the specs, and is already showing it from time to time, to be a more complete player than both. Easily.

stockdam · « **Reply #5701 on:** November 28, 2011, 11:12:53 am »

I loved the look that Silva gave him after Lucas dumped him on the ground after a crunching tackle.

Lucas is the best defensive midfielder in the EPL by a long way.

lfc786 · « **Reply #5702 on:** November 28, 2011, 11:13:14 am »

i think lucas can be captain last season he handled the youngsters very well always encouraging them even yesterday he was telling everyone to calm down when ballotelie got sent off

some one should make a gif of when agger was having a right go at lucas and lucas replied"ok mate"

leivapool · « **Reply #5703 on:** November 28, 2011, 11:23:57 am »

Quote from: lfc786 on November 28, 2011, 11:13:14 am

i think lucas can be captain last season he handled the youngsters very well always encouraging them even yesterday he was telling everyone to calm down when ballotelie got sent off

some one should make a gif of when agger was having a right go at lucas and lucas replied"ok mate"

Not sure what Lucas replied to Agger, but the look he gave him was one of "you finished ranting now?" he was completely unperturbed by it, unlike when Carra used to give him a verbal volley and a loud of gob 3 years ago which caused Lucas to retreat even further in to his shell. How the lad has grown.

Adeemo · « **Reply #5704 on:** November 28, 2011, 11:28:49 am »

After the struggles Gerrard has been having with injuries these last 2 seasons and Carra's involvement becoming less important, I think Kenny should possibly be looking to the future and thinking about a new captain and vice captain for next season. The 2 outstanding candidates would have to be Lucas and Reina, hard to separate them really.

ABJ · « **Reply #5705 on:** November 28, 2011, 11:57:56 am »

Quote from: hesbighesred on November 27, 2011, 06:37:51 pm

For those into them...

His chalkboard stats are absolutely unbelievable. I've never seen one like it:

Passes attempted 75
Passes completed 69
Success rate 92%

Tackles attempted 11
Tackles won 11

That's split into:

Duels won (aerial) 5/5
Duels won (tackle) 6/6

That last is extraordinary. I don't think I've ever seen such a high number of successful tackles by their measures, let alone achieved by winning 100% of all the 'duels' entered into.

Then we have:

Interceptions 6

Again incredible, it's rare to see more than 2 or 3 in this stat.

Edit, I almost forgot:

...and he did all this while drawing 2 fouls and only giving away 1, and even that was well away from the area.

That's without even mentioning the sheer quality and creativity of so many of his passes today. He wasn't just utterly dominant in his capacity as a defensive midfielder but hugely influential in attack.

He was fucking immense yesterday. For those of you that slated him, I have always had faith in him.

Fuck the lazy pundits, Rafa was right about him all along.

mercury · « **Reply #5706 on:** November 28, 2011, 12:00:34 pm »

MOTM yesterday

Niru Red4ever · « **Reply #5707 on:** November 28, 2011, 12:10:19 pm »

Quote from: hesbighesred on November 27, 2011, 06:37:51 pm

For those into them...

His chalkboard stats are absolutely unbelievable. I've never seen one like it:

Passes attempted 75
Passes completed 69
Success rate 92%

Tackles attempted 11
Tackles won 11

That's split into:

Duels won (aerial) 5/5
Duels won (tackle) 6/6

That last is extraordinary. I don't think I've ever seen such a high number of successful tackles by their measures, let alone achieved by winning 100% of all the 'duels' entered into.

Then we have:

Interceptions 6

Again incredible, it's rare to see more than 2 or 3 in this stat.

Edit, I almost forgot:

...and he did all this while drawing 2 fouls and only giving away 1, and even that was well away from the area.

That's without even mentioning the sheer quality and creativity of so many of his passes today. He wasn't just utterly dominant in his capacity as a defensive midfielder but hugely influential in attack.

Thats incredible. Quoted to save it

KERRYKOP · « **Reply #5708 on:** November 28, 2011, 12:22:27 pm »

Quote from: Anywhichwayucan on November 28, 2011, 04:10:20 am

The same person, no doubt, faps away merrily to Xavi.

Scotty Parker is his God, if only Lucas could get caught out of position more often so he could go thundering into tackles like a brave lion then maybe he could prove himself.

Its got to the stage now where you have to laugh, its like a stubbornness in people that they cant admit they were wrong and are still wrong about him, it could even perhaps be a tinge of guilt in how they have treated him, our maybe I'm being kind, some of our support are a disgrace.

Quote from: ABJ on November 28, 2011, 11:57:56 am

He was fucking immense yesterday. For those of you that slated him, I have always had faith in him.

Fuck the lazy pundits, Rafa was right about him all along.

I have to say it took a while, but its nice to be proved right, Iv been crucified for having the audacity to back Lucas when even a total blind fool could see his rate of improvement was going to turn him into something special. The best in the league at what he does now and as The Fonz would say "They can all go sit on it"

Butter Keks · « **Reply #5709 on:** November 28, 2011, 12:24:38 pm »

Seems like everybody in here always knew Lucas was a gem and backed him from the first minute

Personally I was on the hate wagon and blamed him for every bad result we got but that was because I was a cock and couldn't see the wood for the trees.

callanlfc5times · « **Reply #5710 on:** November 28, 2011, 12:25:41 pm »

One of the best individual performances in a red shirt for a long time and that isn't even an over exateration, he was a machine yesterday like the complete perfect mix of Alonso and Mascherano rolled into one. Lucas has developed into one boss player.

PhilV · « **Reply #5711 on:** November 28, 2011, 12:26:40 pm »

I love Lucas, last season he started showing all the doubters what he was all about and even then he was still labeled a "squad player" by some.... look at him now you numpties!

Those stats for yesterday are unreal, especially since it was versus City and the sort of players they have... fucking get in Lucas you awesome man!

edge · « **Reply #5712 on:** November 28, 2011, 12:32:01 pm »

Wonder if he drank the bubblywater Sky had Adam give him..

C@mry · « **Reply #5713 on:** November 28, 2011, 12:35:20 pm »

Has he renewed his contract?

Sangria · « **Reply #5714 on:** November 28, 2011, 12:37:36 pm »

Quote from: C@mry on November 28, 2011, 12:35:20 pm

Has he renewed his contract?

No, he's off to Napoli for £3m. Maddock said so.

steveeastend · « **Reply #5715 on:** November 28, 2011, 12:38:06 pm »

Quote from: Butter Keks on November 28, 2011, 12:24:38 pm

Seems like everybody in here always knew Lucas was a gem and backed him from the first minute

Quote from: Timbo's Goals on November 19, 2011, 12:22:33 am

Watching Barnesey on LFCtv talking about Lucas. Reckons Lucas is playing no different now from what he's done from the very start and his initial doubters and critics have merely jumped on the bandwagon of the myth of improved form to justify their initial doubt/criticism.

The man's clearly re-writing history eh V?

Well, he didn´t change the way he plays overall, that´s for sure.

Grobbelrevell · « **Reply #5716 on:** November 28, 2011, 12:39:08 pm »

So this morning i've had people queing up to tell me (again) how overrated Lucas is (yawn).

According to two Manc's:

A) He is but a mere speck in the ability rear-view mirror of 'Scotty' Parker.
B) Darren Fletcher (predictably) is also a "much better player".
C) Alex Song is on a par.

Also (get this) a Leicester supporter has been chirping up to state unequivocably that:

A) Parker and Essien (ha) are head and shoulders above Lucas.
B) Lucas is "okay", but nowhere near top class.

I've been accused by all that I am simply demonstrating the effects of "scouse tinted glasses".

steveeastend · « **Reply #5717 on:** November 28, 2011, 12:42:30 pm »

Quote from: Grobbelrevell on November 28, 2011, 12:39:08 pm

So this morning i've had people queing up to tell me (again) how overrated Lucas is (yawn).

According to two Manc's:

A) He is but a mere speck in the ability rear-view mirror of 'Scotty' Parker.
B) Darren Fletcher (predictably) is also a "much better player".
C) Alex Song is on a par.

Also (get this) a Leicester supporter has also been chirping up to state unequivocably that:

A) Parker and Essien (ha) are head and shoulders above Lucas.
B) Lucas is "okay", but nowhere near top class.

I've been accused by all that I am simply demonstrating the effects of "scouse tinted glasses".

That´s what you get when talking to Mancs

IMO the only player being on the same level as Lucas in recent years in terms of organising the play on the pitch was Ballack, with Ballack being better in attack and Lucas better in tackling.

And according to a lot of fans Essien was head and shoulders above him, Ballack, too. Well, they couldn´t replace him so far but people still won´t see the quality in a player NOT doing the spectacular things just for the sake of it and doing everything else right instead.

Hazell · « **Reply #5718 on:** November 28, 2011, 12:46:23 pm »

Quote from: steveeastend on November 28, 2011, 12:42:30 pm

IMO the only player being on the same level as Lucas in recent years in terms of organising the play on the pitch was Ballack, with Ballack being better in attack and Lucas better in tackling.

Someone previously mentioned Redondo and that's a pretty good comparison. Lucas should be looking to emulate that type of player as he's certainly got the ability to do so.

steveeastend · « **Reply #5719 on:** November 28, 2011, 12:51:25 pm »

Quote from: Hazell on November 28, 2011, 12:46:23 pm

Someone previously mentioned Redondo and that's a pretty good comparison. Lucas should be looking to emulate that type of player as he's certainly got the ability to do so.

I don´t know with Redondo, who was truly spectacular on his day but than again sometimes sloppy and unreliable. I really think in this position it´s hard to make comparisons, Makele, Alonso, Mascherano, Lucas, Ballack, they all played it differently good and all of them depend on the playes around them to suit their game.

Lucas f.e.needs good footballers around him to shine in contrast to Mascherano. On the other hand Mascherano cannot play in a holding role in a high tempo passing game like Barcelona... they moved him to center back position because of his not so top level pass and move qualities, whereas Lucas would fit just right in there. Lucas at Barcelona... I don´t wanna imagine this but it would make Barca even better..