Topic: Arsenal

[MNAA]

Yep. Increasingly in modern football, if a club isn't being run right, you won't compete, simple as that. It doesn't matter what manager or players you get in, you will still struggle against clubs that are being run properly.
Clubs are such complex and multi-faceted things nowadays, dependent on so many people being good at what they do, with the best people in the right positions and all motivated towards the same goal. From physios, data analysts, nutritionists, scouts, medical staff, coaches, director of football etc.

It's no coincidence that the top 3 in the league right now, are all very well run clubs, with a clear focus and solid structure. Everything is finely tuned to make sure the team is operating at its best.
To do that requires a real will and determination from the top.
You just don't see that at clubs like Arsenal and Man United currently, which is why they're struggling. It's not enough to just throw some money at the transfer market and get some big name manager in, hoping things will work out.

This. Too true.

[MNAA]

Im not sure I agree with you here to a certain extent. For me, the manager is the major catalyst for setting the tone at the club. Look at Leicester for example, they are so brilliantly run that they had just been beaten 4-1 at home to Palace and were 11th or something in the league when Rodgers took over.

Once the manager fits, everything seems to function well. All it takes is for results to go wrong though, and everything at the club gets questioned. Obviously the other departments are important, I'm not denying that, but the results on the park seems to determine how well a club is run off the park, and they can swing at any time, look at Spurs as a good example.

The Manager is the icing on the cake. It’s important but without a strong ownership and support structure, even a superstar head coach can fail

[PhaseOfPlay]

The Manager is the icing on the cake. It’s important but without a strong ownership and support structure, even a superstar head coach can fail

Nonsense.

Roy Hodgson, for example, needs neither strong ownership, or a support structure. Just look at what he did at...ohhh.

[MNAA]

Nonsense.

Roy Hodgson, for example, needs neither strong ownership, or a support structure. Just look at what he did at...ohhh.

Roy as always is the outlier ...

[idontknow]

Roy as always is the outlier ...

Few would argue he's one of the all-time greats ...

[[new username under construction]]

I can't see how Arteta would work. Fat Frank has a team of literal league winners sprinkled with good young players (Who will really struggle at some point) Arsenal are just crap with maybe two good players

[Yiannis]

Get him in just for the inevitable VARteta headline.

[bornandbRED]

Can see any decent prospective manager (Allegri etc) looking at the state of the fan base - in particular the social media circus that surrounds Arsenal and running a mile. They’re not a serious club anymore.

[newterp]

What does Troopz think about today? Or is he too high to know?

[bornandbRED]

What does Troopz think about today? Or is he too high to know?

Stereotyping a bit there.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Stereotyping a bit there.

Don't think he is considering troops said he was high in the last interview

[Morgana]

Stereotyping a bit there.

Troopz recently spent his birthday in Amsterdam with the Tottenham-supporting lunatic Expressions. They both got veey high. No stereotyping necessary.

[FlashGordon]

There's fuck all wrong with being 'high' anyway.

[stevieG786]

Troops is a known and proud pot head

I think they’re gonna end up getting Rafa

[newterp]

Troops is a known and proud pot head

I think they’re gonna end up getting Rafa

He’s also obnoxious, caustic, and just dumb. His act is tedious - though I know it can be somewhat entertaining which I suppose is really all they care about now.

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

Troops is a known and proud pot head

I think they’re gonna end up getting Rafa

I'd be very surprised.

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

Stereotyping a bit there.

Why stereotyping? He said that by himself. It's not rocket science to notice that Troopz is high all the time.

[ChaChaMooMoo]

Troopz and DT are the most overrated AFTV speakers there ever was.

[rafathegaffa83]

So according to Ornstein in his piece for the Athletic:

- Arsenal will likely be looking for someone who is currently out of work and available

- They selected Emery over Allegri, because the latter didn't interview well and his level of English was deemed problematic. He wanted to bring in a nine man backroom staff. Now Allegri has reservations about the state of the Arsenal squad and wants to assess his options in the summer

- Rodgers is unlikely, as they'd have to pay Leicester to get him. They also had reservations about his personality last time around. They've made tentative inquires but have been told no for now

- They are unlikely to get Arteta mid-season. The fact that he could replace Guardiola in the summer complicates things, although Man City have been allegedly talking to van Bronckhorst

[aw1991]

So if it isn't Allegri, who's available and capable?

They'll go for Poch, but if he wouldn't join who's left? Kovac, Schmidt, Marcelino, Setien are probably the top names? Neither strike me as a right fit, maybe Marcelino?

[rafathegaffa83]

So if it isn't Allegri, who's available and capable?

They'll go for Poch, but if he wouldn't join who's left? Kovac, Schmidt, Marcelino, Setien are probably the top names? Neither strike me as a right fit, maybe Marcelino?

He mentioned the other day that they might even just give Ljungberg the rest of the season. They are trying to do things on the cheap.

[aw1991]

He mentioned the other day that they might even just give Ljungberg the rest of the season. They are trying to do things on the cheap.

A bit risky, sacking Emery only for Ljungberg to take over until the end of the season

[ScottishGoon]

The Manager is the icing on the cake. It’s important but without a strong ownership and support structure, even a superstar head coach can fail

And likewise, even with a strong ownership and support structure, the wrong manager can fail. Has there been much structure change between Puels Leicester or Rodgers Leicester, or even at his previous club between Ronny Deila & himself?

Sometimes the right manager can change what seems like a basket case of a club, ie Rangers under Caxhina and through their influence can change performance and standards all throughout the club, with little actual personnel change (in terms of structure).

To me, the perception of a well run club and a bit of a shambles club is largely determined by the results on the pitch. Get a manager in that helps deliver that, and the structure all of a sudden is perceived to be a lot stronger.

[Romford_Red]

Troopz and DT are the most overrated AFTV speakers there ever was.

Troopz and DT

Staggers me that people actually want to take on such ridiculous personas and names.

All it makes me think of is...

[gazzalfc]

Troopz and DT are the most overrated AFTV speakers there ever was.

Troopz is playing it up for attention. I actually dont mind DT. When he isn't being a moody bastard he talks alot of sense. Always respectful to us when we play them.

Ty on the other hand is so deluded.

[Scottymuser]

I can't see how Arteta would work. Fat Frank has a team of literal league winners sprinkled with good young players (Who will really struggle at some point) Arsenal are just crap with maybe two good players

There are more than 2 - Pepe/Laca/Auba for a start are all very good; the issue is the majority of their best players all play in attack, leaving them short in defence.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

There are more than 2 - Pepe/Laca/Auba for a start are all very good; the issue is the majority of their best players all play in attack, leaving them short in defence.

Would love to know what Pepe has done to make you think that he is good?

[Dim Glas]

Squad wise for Arsenal, I'd say that they have thse players who are CL team quality:

Auba, Lacazette, Leno and Bellerin, maybe Torreira, but I'm really not sure on him, he started well there but hasn't really been able to cement a place.

Then they have a group of players like Guendouzi, Martinelli, Saka, Saliba and Tierny who are young and talented and could well become the 'real deal'. I guess maybe Pepe can go in that group too. Not that he's as young as some of those.

Then they have a glut of average to poor squad players, too many that are regular starters for them, like Kolasinac, Mustafi and then players who are the wrong side of 30, such as Sokratis and Luiz.  Then there's Özil and that mad contract, and Xhaka who is persona non grata.

I mean, there's defo talent there with the young players and those in the first list, but much to do! They are a bit of a mess of a squad.

[Ghost Town]

Thing is I'm not gonna be the one to tell Kolasinac that he's average to poor. You can if you want!

[Dim Glas]

Thing is I'm not gonna be the one to tell Kolasinac that he's average to poor. You can if you want!

He gets a free pass! I'd gladly just have him in any squad so as to not get on his wrong side    Plus he'd stick up for everyone, and that's not a bad thing in a team-mate!

[Davidbowie]

I quite like Guendouzi - I think he's one who will be very good in a few years.

[Romford_Red]

Would love to know what Pepe has done to make you think that he is good?

Whenever I see that name, it just conjures up images of that amorous (and actually pretty I need to use a thesaurus) cartoon skunk.

[TravisBickle]

The whole debate around who should replace Emery just underlines how poorly that club is being run. I know they’ve been a mess for a while but it’s still shocking to see such a lack of forward planning at a big club with supposed ambitions of being back at the top table.

It was obvious for a while that they were going to get rid of Emery but they seem to have put no thought into who should or could realistically replace him when the trigger was eventually pulled. Given we’re not even halfway through the season and they have everything to play for, that seems criminal.

I doubt Allegri could be arsed going there and whilst Rafa would do wonders for them in terms of instilling some discipline and organisation, they won’t be able to afford him will they? Mourinho is obviously unavailable and Pochettino is highly unlikely.

The debate sort of underlines a wider trend, which is that there are a lot of big clubs and not many top managers to go around. When Guardiola and Jürgen eventually move on, whenever that is, there’ll be an absolute frenzy.

The best thing they could do in my opinion is install a bit of a left-field option and try to get a bounce like the Mancs did under Solskjær last season (for a few months anyway). Arteta would look to play decent football and has links to Arsenal for the fans to get behind at least. Gallardo will probably go to Barca but it would be worth a shot tempting him away from River Plate you’d have thought.

Instead they’ll probably lash another uninspiring yes man in there. Total mess.

[stockdam]

Hopefully they entice Rodgers which then may derail Leicester this year.

[Caligula?]

According to reports coming out of France, Patrick Vieira is their preferred choice and is favorite to become permanent boss. Patrick. Vieira. I'd give up on football if I was an Arsenal supporter and that happened.

[[new username under construction]]

According to reports coming out of France, Patrick Vieira is their preferred choice and is favorite to become permanent boss. Patrick. Vieira. I'd give up on football if I was an Arsenal supporter and that happened.

What's he done exactly? I've not followed him at all since he retired. Has he been sacked a lot?

[Caligula?]

What's he done exactly? I've not followed him at all since he retired. Has he been sacked a lot?

Just completely underwhelming. He currently has Nice 14th in Ligue 1 and has done absolutely nothing to suggest he could even be a mild success with Arsenal. A bit like Ole at United.

[[new username under construction]]

Just completely underwhelming. He currently has Nice 14th in Ligue 1 and has done absolutely nothing to suggest he could even be a mild success with Arsenal. A bit like Ole at United.

Thought it might be something like that lol.............Yep, get him in Arsenal, sure fire winner

[Dim Glas]

Yeah, Arsenal need a new manager, #Freddieatthewheel isn't working.

[stoopid yank]

Absolute stupidity to get rid of Wenger without having a superior or even equal replacement. Fans got what they deserved.