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Re: Legalisation of All Drugs
« Reply #160 on: September 12, 2018, 11:23:19 am »
They might quite similar in terms of economics, topography and demographics. What about education? Awareness?

To answer the question if a country could be susceptible to drug usage should it be legalised is dependent on economics, topography and demographics. Because as you said, the UK and Holland are remarkably similar. And yet the common people's views on drugs seem so contrasting to each other.

There has to be some "external" factor that is not dependent on numbers and percentages that plays a vital role in determining where this stark difference comes from.
Education is a massive factor, so too is the attitude towards the addict. When seen as a patient to be treated for their sickness rather than a rebel outside of the law it becomes far less cool for the highly educated kids. More to be pitied than a cool alternative existence.

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« Reply #161 on: September 12, 2018, 11:49:56 am »
Here's another one. Mushrooms containing psilocybin grow naturally on this planet, have done so for millennia. I can stand beside these mushrooms in a field without any penalty. If I bend down and pick one from the ground, I have committed an offence. If I then pass what I have picked to my buddy standing beside me, I have committed an offence which may render me liable to life imprisonment. That is pretty fucking stupid.

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« Reply #162 on: September 12, 2018, 12:06:07 pm »
“Adderall’s quite popular in Trinity”: an interview with a student drug dealer

Mike dealt for almost an entire year. When asked about how it all started, he had the classic story of students roped into the illegal drug market: “First off I didn’t want to get into it, but my smoking habit had grown far out of reach of my budget…my dealer suggested I start to sell for him and that’s how it began.” Soon after, he was supplying drugs and at one point he had about 150 clients. Most were students with a few exceptions: “MDMA, LSD, and a shit tonne of weed in many different strains. Weed was always by far the most popular.”

When asked about the more “harmful” drugs, Mike had some clear limits that he wouldn’t cross at any cost. “I would never have sold coke, meth, heroin any of that shit. That’s the kind of shit that ruins lives, well at least in a far more uncontrollable manner than the others do. And I would never have sold to kids.”

Talking about the popularity of smart drugs in universities, Mike explained that drugs like Adderall were quite popular in Trinity, but he never dealt those. According to him, “It’s usually people with ADHD and stuff selling their personal supply. It’s very big in Trinity.” When asked about how he acquired these drugs in the first place, Mike was slightly vague, but said that he got them off the dark web. When questioned in regards to the quality of the these drugs, he had certain ethics: “Well I was the guinea pig for a start. Before I would give anybody anything I would try the batch myself. Plus, the reviews on the dark web are very, very accurate.”

Mike feared being caught and explained that it’s better being scared because it makes you careful: “You get used to it really, and that’s when people tend to get caught. You’re paranoid for a reason, it’s not just because of what you put in your body, although that definitely makes it worse. I was terrified of helicopters and reflective vests for a very long time though.” He did not have any run-ins with the Gardaí during his time as a dealer, which he credits to his ability of being discreet and acting normal.

Mike never had any bad experiences with his customers, although he has dealt with some bad suppliers. “I nearly died once after taking a potentially lethal dose of MDMA during exams, 6 x 200mg pills. The only reason I didn’t die was because I smoked 10g of weed through the 12 hours. As well as the near-death experience, I’ve also had one of pure insanity, the only bad trip I’ve had on acid. I was locked inside my own head having panic attacks and seizures. Complete loss of ego.”

“It didn’t affect my attitude. I think subconsciously I wanted to die at the time but then again, on MDMA you just want more and more to keep the buzz going because you feel like you’re having the time of your life.”

Reflecting on the morality of the trade, answering the question of whether drugs inherently bad, Mike made a comparison to the harmful nature of some legal drugs that are equally bad: “Now…do I see drugs as a good thing is a tough question. Some drugs are good, some drugs are bad. For example, caffeine is useful, but alcohol is evil, nicotine is evil, cannabis is great in some respects. It all depends on how they’re used and the people using them. There needs to be more of a discussion about this in government, because drugs are everywhere, sugar being by far the most destructive.” His thoughts on decriminalisation were consistent with this statement: “Hell yes for legalisation of cannabis, mushrooms, DMT, any naturally occurring substance. It’s a great source of income for a country, and it means fewer people are in jail resulting in less waste of resources. As for decriminalisation, personally, I think possession of all drugs up to a certain quantity should be decriminalised. Look at Portugal for example, look at how many people are getting the help they need because they don’t have to be afraid.”

Mike explained that he did worry about the wellbeing of his customers to a certain extent, but also felt it was not something he could control: “I did worry, yes, but that’s part and parcel of the business. I’d checked the quality, I just supplied them. If they’re going to do something stupid, it’s on them. What they are doing is illegal anyway, therefore unregulated. That’s a huge part of why I want legalisation, to attest to the quality of a product.” However, he did feel guilty about facilitating others’ bad decisions or self destruction: “Yeah, I thought about that a lot. Just one of the many things that kept me awake at night eating myself alive. But in the end, if not me, someone else would do it. At least I knew I wasn’t a bad person. People will always find what they want somewhere, so why not profit from it?”

Speaking of profit, Mike said that in the beginning he used to “smoke off” all his earning but eventually he made around €400 per week. He eventually stopped dealing drugs when the term ended and he faced a personal low-point. “Basically, I got really depressed and started abusing drugs at an alarming rate. Suicidal thoughts, the whole nine yards. Stopped talking to family, friends, couldn’t leave the house. I guess you could use my story as a sort of warning. I’m clean and sober now though.”

“Drug dealer” is a very restrictive label, it brings to mind a pretty one-dimensional character that in the minds of a large proportion of the population carries very negative connotations. However, this isn’t the reality of drugs in Trinity. This subject, while of course being an extremely sensitive and emotive issue, is one that needs to be discussed in a more level headed, non-judgmental manner, for the sake of suppliers and buyers alike.

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Re: Legalisation of All Drugs
« Reply #163 on: September 12, 2018, 03:28:09 pm »
Here's another one. Mushrooms containing psilocybin grow naturally on this planet, have done so for millennia. I can stand beside these mushrooms in a field without any penalty. If I bend down and pick one from the ground, I have committed an offence. If I then pass what I have picked to my buddy standing beside me, I have committed an offence which may render me liable to life imprisonment. That is pretty fucking stupid.
Only after cooking them or drying them.

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« Reply #164 on: September 12, 2018, 03:40:41 pm »
Only after cooking them or drying them.

Not in Ireland.

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[2006] The Government has decided to ban the sale and possession of magic mushrooms.

Up until this afternoon it had been legal to sell the psycho-active mushrooms as long as they had not been dried or processed.

The ban is to be effective immediately and it is understood that some of the 50 shops across Ireland which had been selling the mushrooms have now begun removing them from their shelves.

The position in the UK also changed in 2005.

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The 2005 Drugs Act amended the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 to clarify that both fresh and prepared (e.g. dried or stewed) magic mushrooms that contain psilocin or psilocybin (such as the ‘liberty cap’) are Class A drugs. This means it’s illegal to have this type of ‘magic mushrooms’ for yourself, to give away or to sell

Possession is illegal and can get you up to seven years in jail and/or an unlimited fine.
Supplying someone else, even your friends, can get you up to life imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine. source

Edit: Looks like Holland is the same.

http://www.dutchamsterdam.nl/662-mushrooms-ban-amsterdam-netherlands
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« Reply #165 on: September 12, 2018, 04:14:35 pm »
Just to add to that, in general there are three types of mushrooms: the ones you eat for food, like in soup or fried, the ones you eat to get high and the ones that are actually toxic/poisonous and which can kill you or make you very ill.

Guess which ones are illegal? Hint: it's not the ones that can kill you.

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« Reply #166 on: September 12, 2018, 04:40:44 pm »
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« Reply #167 on: September 12, 2018, 04:43:57 pm »
Just to add to that, in general there are three types of mushrooms: the ones you eat for food, like in soup or fried, the ones you eat to get high and the ones that are actually toxic/poisonous and which can kill you or make you very ill.

Guess which ones are illegal? Hint: it's not the ones that can kill you.


Shrooms are amazing and in the days after a session it feels like you have taken a power washer to your brain.

They are also better than the hair of the dog.
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« Reply #168 on: September 12, 2018, 06:07:24 pm »
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Avon and Somerset Police have already pushed the barriers of the existing law.

There, anyone caught with any drug for personal use - even a class-A substance - will no longer be charged but sent on a drug awareness course.

It is the equivalent of a speed-awareness course, where people see the detrimental effects of the individual drug they were caught with.

Avon and Somerset PCC Sue Mountstevens said: "Changing our perceptions and giving people the opportunity to take a different path is a big part of breaking the cycle of crime."

So far, in a trial based on a much smaller area, the course, which is backed and run by the PCC, has proved a success, with a major reduction in re-offending rates.

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« Reply #169 on: September 12, 2018, 07:22:57 pm »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45288789
I wondered about this too- you don't need to decriminalize something in order to stop the police from enforcing it. Thus there can be cost savings made without the change to the law.

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« Reply #170 on: September 12, 2018, 08:41:08 pm »
Here's another one. Mushrooms containing psilocybin grow naturally on this planet, have done so for millennia. I can stand beside these mushrooms in a field without any penalty. If I bend down and pick one from the ground, I have committed an offence. If I then pass what I have picked to my buddy standing beside me, I have committed an offence which may render me liable to life imprisonment. That is pretty fucking stupid.
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« Reply #171 on: September 12, 2018, 08:43:05 pm »
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« Reply #172 on: September 13, 2018, 05:13:03 pm »
A slightly different version of the David Nutt graph posted earlier.


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« Reply #173 on: September 13, 2018, 05:30:48 pm »
Butane compared to LSD and Shrooms  :butt
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« Reply #174 on: September 13, 2018, 05:39:18 pm »
A slightly different version of the David Nutt graph posted earlier.


Would like to see the working out for that. do the scores depend on the number of people using? How much more of a score does a death of user get over a trip on the pavement? How much more does a death of third party get? Does grief get counted? And so on and so forth......

And statistically/mathematically- can the two scores even be added together like they have done in the graph? I think it would be more telling to have two separate graphs, one for harm to self, one for harm to others.

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« Reply #175 on: September 13, 2018, 07:36:09 pm »
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Background

Proper assessment of the harms caused by the misuse of drugs can inform policy makers in health, policing, and social care. We aimed to apply multicriteria decision analysis (MCDA) modelling to a range of drug harms in the UK.

Methods

Members of the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs, including two invited specialists, met in a 1-day interactive workshop to score 20 drugs on 16 criteria: nine related to the harms that a drug produces in the individual and seven to the harms to others. Drugs were scored out of 100 points, and the criteria were weighted to indicate their relative importance.

Findings

MCDA modelling showed that heroin, crack cocaine, and metamfetamine were the most harmful drugs to individuals (part scores 34, 37, and 32, respectively), whereas alcohol, heroin, and crack cocaine were the most harmful to others (46, 21, and 17, respectively). Overall, alcohol was the most harmful drug (overall harm score 72), with heroin (55) and crack cocaine (54) in second and third places.

Interpretation

These findings lend support to previous work assessing drug harms, and show how the improved scoring and weighting approach of MCDA increases the differentiation between the most and least harmful drugs. However, the findings correlate poorly with present UK drug classification, which is not based simply on considerations of harm.



Hardly infallible working out that!

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(10)61462-6/abstract

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« Reply #176 on: September 13, 2018, 08:14:58 pm »
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« Reply #177 on: September 13, 2018, 09:04:11 pm »
Butane compared to LSD and Shrooms  :butt
I once went to a talk by a forensic pathologist.

It was about solvent abuse..  some of the ways people die from aerosols are quite incredible.

Heart failure was the most common, but perhaps not as dramatic as the propellant igniting whilst being inhaled. Frostbite of the soft tissue of the pallet another particularly gruesome way to go.
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« Reply #178 on: September 13, 2018, 09:14:06 pm »
Hardly infallible working out that!

What would you suggest?

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« Reply #179 on: September 13, 2018, 09:29:03 pm »
What would you suggest?

Got to be careful here, can't go listening to experts.

Anyway that graph is in my experience pretty spot on, mind you I don't have experience with everything on there.
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« Reply #180 on: September 14, 2018, 12:10:05 am »
What would you suggest?
Deaths to self per user
Deaths of others per user

Obviously that too is open to all sorts of confounders, but it has to be better than two guys in a room smoking weed picking a number out of 10 for a list of drugs!

I have had a look at a few of the pro-decriminalization "scientific papers" mentioned in here and can find big flaws in all of them btw.

Who knows what the answer is? There could be an analogue to the reintroduction of wolves into Yellowstone national park type effect with decriminalization whereby something that looks like it will have a detrimental effect on a given population can actually have the opposite effect.

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« Reply #181 on: September 14, 2018, 09:45:42 am »
Deaths to self per user
Deaths of others per user

How do you know those criteria weren't used?

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I have had a look at a few of the pro-decriminalization "scientific papers" mentioned in here and can find big flaws in all of them btw.

Excellent, now we can get into the detail. What were the big flaws and how would you fix them?

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« Reply #182 on: September 14, 2018, 12:43:32 pm »
How do you know those criteria weren't used?

Excellent, now we can get into the detail. What were the big flaws and how would you fix them?
Those criteria used alone.

On the papers, sure send me one and I will pick it apart. Might not be fixable though.

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« Reply #183 on: September 14, 2018, 01:02:28 pm »
On the papers, sure send me one and I will pick it apart. Might not be fixable though.

You said....

I have had a look at a few of the pro-decriminalization "scientific papers" mentioned in here and can find big flaws in all of them btw.

Why do you need me to send you one? Just look at the ones you already looked at, pick out the "big flaws" you already found and let us know what they are. This way, we can all learn something.

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« Reply #184 on: September 14, 2018, 07:51:27 pm »
You said....

Why do you need me to send you one? Just look at the ones you already looked at, pick out the "big flaws" you already found and let us know what they are. This way, we can all learn something.
Because it will take a while, and I am not keen to invest a lot of time as I get the impression you are not taking the matter seriously.

Honestly, though, just pick one. I can access nearly every scientific paper on the planet for free, so I don't need the manuscript, just send me the details and I will get it myself.

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« Reply #185 on: September 14, 2018, 08:04:44 pm »
Because it will take a while, and I am not keen to invest a lot of time as I get the impression you are not taking the matter seriously.

Honestly, though, just pick one. I can access nearly every scientific paper on the planet for free, so I don't need the manuscript, just send me the details and I will get it myself.


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« Reply #186 on: September 14, 2018, 11:29:18 pm »
Because it will take a while, and I am not keen to invest a lot of time as I get the impression you are not taking the matter seriously.

Honestly, though, just pick one. I can access nearly every scientific paper on the planet for free, so I don't need the manuscript, just send me the details and I will get it myself.


So this is why I am such a dick about posting standards on here. You clearly said you found "big flaws" in "a few of the pro-decriminalization "scientific papers". I asked you to give us a clue about what you "found" and you trot out the above bollocks.

You're full of shit.

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« Reply #187 on: September 15, 2018, 12:44:51 am »
So this is why I am such a dick about posting standards on here. You clearly said you found "big flaws" in "a few of the pro-decriminalization "scientific papers". I asked you to give us a clue about what you "found" and you trot out the above bollocks.

You're full of shit.
Sorry man, I would say the inverse is true.

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« Reply #188 on: September 15, 2018, 01:39:32 am »
Corkboy was spot on.
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« Reply #189 on: September 15, 2018, 11:13:20 am »
Corkboy was spot on.
My offer is open to you too, although I think you have been arguing that all drugs are harmful.

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« Reply #190 on: September 15, 2018, 11:42:24 am »
My offer is open to you too

I struggle to understand why you are not getting this.

You said,

I have had a look at a few of the pro-decriminalization "scientific papers" mentioned in here and can find big flaws in all of them btw.

You were then asked what those flaws were, in said papers.

Your response was,

On the papers, sure send me one and I will pick it apart.

Which is nonsensical as you said you have read some of the papers evidenced here and they have flaws. You were not being asked to critique new papers, just the ones you have read - which you previously attested to.

Your response suggests that in fact, you haven't
had a look at a few of the pro-decriminalization "scientific papers" mentioned in here

I'm sure it is this arse about face way of debating that led Corkboy, to suggest what he did.

We do know you looked at this,

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(10)61462-6/abstract

Which is fine, so stick to critiquing that.

But, with regards to that.

it has to be better than two guys in a room smoking weed picking a number out of 10 for a list of drugs!

Does not equal this:

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Methods

Members of the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs, including two invited specialists, met in a 1-day interactive workshop

It also represents the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies as some sort of funding gobshites which they are far from.
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« Reply #191 on: September 15, 2018, 11:53:49 am »
Sorry man, I would say the inverse is true.

I am blocking you now. Maybe some day you can bring something insightful to the table and I will catch it in a quote.

Pathetic.
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« Reply #192 on: September 15, 2018, 01:51:08 pm »
I struggle to understand why you are not getting this.

You said,

You were then asked what those flaws were, in said papers.

Your response was,

Which is nonsensical as you said you have read some of the papers evidenced here and they have flaws. You were not being asked to critique new papers, just the ones you have read - which you previously attested to.

Your response suggests that in fact, you haven't
I'm sure it is this arse about face way of debating that led Corkboy, to suggest what he did.

We do know you looked at this,

Which is fine, so stick to critiquing that.

But, with regards to that.

Does not equal this:

It also represents the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies as some sort of funding gobshites which they are far from.
Grand- I will give that Lancet article a good going over tomorrow.

Just so I can focus the argument- what do you think the relevance of that paper is in relation to the discussion in this thread?

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Re: Legalisation of All Drugs
« Reply #193 on: September 15, 2018, 01:59:36 pm »
Grand- I will give that Lancet article a good going over tomorrow.

Just so I can focus the argument- what do you think the relevance of that paper is in relation to the discussion in this thread?

Hahahaha, you’re hilarious.

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Re: Legalisation of All Drugs
« Reply #194 on: September 18, 2018, 12:35:39 pm »
Magic mushrooms may 'reset' the brains of depressed patients

Patients taking psilocybin to treat depression show reduced symptoms weeks after treatment following a 'reset' of their brain activity.

The findings come from a study in which researchers from Imperial College London used psilocybin – the psychoactive compound that occurs naturally in magic mushrooms – to treat a small number of patients with depression in whom conventional treatment had failed.

In a paper, published in the journal Scientific Reports, the researchers describe patient-reported benefits lasting up to five weeks after treatment, and believe the psychedelic compound may effectively reset the activity of key brain circuits known to play a role in depression.

Comparison of images of patients’ brains before and one day after they received the drug treatment revealed changes in brain activity that were associated with marked and lasting reductions in depressive symptoms.

The authors note that while the initial results of the experimental therapy are exciting, they are limited by the small sample size as well as the absence of a control group – such as a placebo group – to directly contrast with the patients.

Dr Robin Carhart-Harris, Head of Psychedelic Research at Imperial, who led the study, said: “We have shown for the first time clear changes in brain activity in depressed people treated with psilocybin after failing to respond to conventional treatments.

“Several of our patients described feeling ‘reset’ after the treatment and often used computer analogies. For example, one said he felt like his brain had been ‘defragged’ like a computer hard drive, and another said he felt ‘rebooted’.

"Psilocybin may be giving these individuals the temporary ‘kick start’ they need to break out of their depressive states and these imaging results do tentatively support a ‘reset’ analogy. Similar brain effects to these have been seen with electroconvulsive therapy.”

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Re: Legalisation of All Drugs
« Reply #195 on: September 18, 2018, 05:42:10 pm »
Magic mushrooms may 'reset' the brains of depressed patients

Patients taking psilocybin to treat depression show reduced symptoms weeks after treatment following a 'reset' of their brain activity.

The findings come from a study in which researchers from Imperial College London used psilocybin – the psychoactive compound that occurs naturally in magic mushrooms – to treat a small number of patients with depression in whom conventional treatment had failed.

In a paper, published in the journal Scientific Reports, the researchers describe patient-reported benefits lasting up to five weeks after treatment, and believe the psychedelic compound may effectively reset the activity of key brain circuits known to play a role in depression.

Comparison of images of patients’ brains before and one day after they received the drug treatment revealed changes in brain activity that were associated with marked and lasting reductions in depressive symptoms.

The authors note that while the initial results of the experimental therapy are exciting, they are limited by the small sample size as well as the absence of a control group – such as a placebo group – to directly contrast with the patients.

Dr Robin Carhart-Harris, Head of Psychedelic Research at Imperial, who led the study, said: “We have shown for the first time clear changes in brain activity in depressed people treated with psilocybin after failing to respond to conventional treatments.

“Several of our patients described feeling ‘reset’ after the treatment and often used computer analogies. For example, one said he felt like his brain had been ‘defragged’ like a computer hard drive, and another said he felt ‘rebooted’.

"Psilocybin may be giving these individuals the temporary ‘kick start’ they need to break out of their depressive states and these imaging results do tentatively support a ‘reset’ analogy. Similar brain effects to these have been seen with electroconvulsive therapy.”



Shrooms are amazing and in the days after a session it feels like you have taken a power washer to your brain.

They are also better than the hair of the dog.
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Re: Legalisation of All Drugs
« Reply #196 on: September 18, 2018, 05:44:29 pm »
Magic mushrooms may 'reset' the brains of depressed patients

Patients taking psilocybin to treat depression show reduced symptoms weeks after treatment following a 'reset' of their brain activity.

The findings come from a study in which researchers from Imperial College London used psilocybin – the psychoactive compound that occurs naturally in magic mushrooms – to treat a small number of patients with depression in whom conventional treatment had failed.

In a paper, published in the journal Scientific Reports, the researchers describe patient-reported benefits lasting up to five weeks after treatment, and believe the psychedelic compound may effectively reset the activity of key brain circuits known to play a role in depression.

Comparison of images of patients’ brains before and one day after they received the drug treatment revealed changes in brain activity that were associated with marked and lasting reductions in depressive symptoms.

The authors note that while the initial results of the experimental therapy are exciting, they are limited by the small sample size as well as the absence of a control group – such as a placebo group – to directly contrast with the patients.

Dr Robin Carhart-Harris, Head of Psychedelic Research at Imperial, who led the study, said: “We have shown for the first time clear changes in brain activity in depressed people treated with psilocybin after failing to respond to conventional treatments.

“Several of our patients described feeling ‘reset’ after the treatment and often used computer analogies. For example, one said he felt like his brain had been ‘defragged’ like a computer hard drive, and another said he felt ‘rebooted’.

"Psilocybin may be giving these individuals the temporary ‘kick start’ they need to break out of their depressive states and these imaging results do tentatively support a ‘reset’ analogy. Similar brain effects to these have been seen with electroconvulsive therapy.”
I’m extremely dubious about claims like this... they’re a bit daily mail for my liking..
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Re: Legalisation of All Drugs
« Reply #197 on: September 18, 2018, 05:49:48 pm »
I’m extremely dubious about claims like this... they’re a bit daily mail for my liking..


Dubious because you don't want it to be true ?

I can tell you from my own experience that it is true & I was never in a depressive state,I can only imagine how good it must feel to somebody who was/is depressed.
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Re: Legalisation of All Drugs
« Reply #198 on: September 18, 2018, 05:53:22 pm »

Dubious because you don't want it to be true ?

I can tell you from my own experience that it is true & I was never in a depressive state,I can only imagine how good it must feel to somebody who was/is depressed.
No, not at all.  If it’s true, then great. I’m really glad it worked for you too, but personal experience isn’t science.  Science is objective, it takes away personal experience as a result.

Articles like this seldom come to anything, they are speculative and tend to be based on undeveloped science.

This is my experience of dealing with poor science and poor use of science. From the way it reads I get that feeling about it.
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Re: Legalisation of All Drugs
« Reply #199 on: September 18, 2018, 05:57:46 pm »
Dubious because you don't want it to be true ?

That could be reversed.

The difficulty, and note of caution, is included within the article.

There is such a small sample size being drawn upon and importantly for proof of medical efficacy, no double blind test, and hence you really have to be cautious about such claims at the moment

Certainly it's perhaps encouraging, but it shouldn't be taken as proof yet, not until full medical trials under controlled conditions are performed.
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