Author Topic: England’s Cricketing Summer - Pakistan/Australia/India (Read 79318 times)

CheshireDave · « **Reply #80 on:** May 25, 2018, 12:55:11 pm »

Couple of wickets today and Pakistan are 127/3 (Just 57 runs behind)

What sort of lead are we comfortable with them having?

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #81 on:** May 25, 2018, 12:56:09 pm »

Shafiq has become a really good batsman. Hope we get him soon.

Bangin Them In · « **Reply #82 on:** May 25, 2018, 02:16:23 pm »

So little threat out there at all, thought the young spinner was decent though, at least something different

Pakistan playing this moving ball so much better than England

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #83 on:** May 25, 2018, 02:21:05 pm »

These are playing beautifully. Shame Shafiq is 32, if he was 24 Pakistan would have a ridiculous player on their hands.

Robinred · « **Reply #84 on:** May 25, 2018, 02:40:43 pm »

Pakistan have had a few lucky moments, but they’ve earned their luck.

England are suffering because of poor captaincy, sloppy fielding and impatience. This should be a wake up call, but I wonder whether it turns out to be; Gus Fraser was very defensive on last night’s Verdict, Bob Willis, curmudgeon though he undoubtedly is, took no prisoners and called it right - essentially a shambles.

CheshireDave · « **Reply #85 on:** May 25, 2018, 02:41:38 pm »

Woods is not that good is he?

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #86 on:** May 25, 2018, 02:43:00 pm »

Quote from: CheshireDave on May 25, 2018, 02:41:38 pm

Woods is not that good is he?

Half the team isn't.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #87 on:** May 25, 2018, 03:02:56 pm »

I think this match might be gone. Very likely they're going to have a lead of at least 100-150.

CheshireDave · « **Reply #88 on:** May 25, 2018, 03:59:32 pm »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on May 25, 2018, 03:02:56 pm

I think this match might be gone. Very likely they're going to have a lead of at least 100-150.

Not yet.

A 100 lead is not insurmountable.

They're 5 down and 43 in front and England have the new ball in 1 overs time.

Massive session this one.

Robinred · « **Reply #89 on:** May 25, 2018, 04:17:45 pm »

Quote from: CheshireDave on May 25, 2018, 03:59:32 pm

Not yet.

A 100 lead is not insurmountable.

They're 5 down and 43 in front and England have the new ball in 1 overs time.

Massive session this one.

I tend to agree, but if Stokes keeps spraying it around it ain’t happening. For such a universally lauded cricketer, he’s awfully erratic.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #90 on:** May 25, 2018, 04:19:13 pm »

Quote from: CheshireDave on May 25, 2018, 03:59:32 pm

Not yet.

A 100 lead is not insurmountable.

They're 5 down and 43 in front and England have the new ball in 1 overs time.

Massive session this one.

That's all well and good but our batting is dogshit, can't see us overhauling their lead and setting them a big enough target.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #91 on:** May 25, 2018, 04:43:25 pm »

Is Root asleep? Bring Anderson on to bowl with the new ball ffs.

Robinred · « **Reply #92 on:** May 25, 2018, 05:35:50 pm »

Kinell but England have been shite in the field.

That’s to go with their batting and to a degree, bowling.

FiSh77 · « **Reply #93 on:** May 25, 2018, 05:45:42 pm »

great ball that 318-6

think it's too little too late now though

Frank Becton · « **Reply #94 on:** May 25, 2018, 07:45:34 pm »

Root hasn't had a good game so far, in all departments. Pakistan have shown us how to bat, leaving wide balls alone, protecting their wicket, playing mostly the right shot.
The bowled better than us and fielded better than us.
We just haven't matched them in any aspect of the game so far, they just look better prepared.

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #95 on:** May 25, 2018, 07:47:29 pm »

Quote from: Frank Becton on May 25, 2018, 07:45:34 pm

Root hasn't had a good game so far, in all departments. Pakistan have shown us how to bat, leaving wide balls alone, protecting their wicket, playing mostly the right shot.
The bowled better than us and fielded better than us.
We just haven't matched them in any aspect of the game so far, they just look better prepared.

They’ve actually had a better preparation for this than pretty much our whole team. Fair play to them, getting what they deserve for taking it seriously.

Lfsea · « **Reply #96 on:** May 25, 2018, 08:07:07 pm »

Quote from: BIG DICK NICK on May 25, 2018, 07:47:29 pm

They’ve actually had a better preparation for this than pretty much our whole team. Fair play to them, getting what they deserve for taking it seriously.

England players had played 7 matches less in total this summer than the Pakistan XI.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #97 on:** May 25, 2018, 08:10:02 pm »

The talent level of the England team just isn't that high and there isn't loads of great players waiting in the wings. Jennings for Stoneman is the only nailed on change I'd make. Really though, there isn't much for Ed Smith to pick from, next to no middle order batsmen banging on the door and threadbare bowling stocks. This is going to be a lean period for us, we're not a quality test cricket nation anymore and won't be for a few years.

Lfsea · « **Reply #98 on:** May 25, 2018, 08:30:45 pm »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on May 25, 2018, 08:10:02 pm

The talent level of the England team just isn't that high and there isn't loads of great players waiting in the wings. Jennings for Stoneman is the only nailed on change I'd make. Really though, there isn't much for Ed Smith to pick from, next to no middle order batsmen banging on the door and threadbare bowling stocks. This is going to be a lean period for us, we're not a quality test cricket nation anymore and won't be for a few years.

Strauss said as much in his TMS interview yesterday. He pretty much admitted (from my interpretation) that the ECBs goal for ODI brilliance has been at the expense of the Test team. I don't mind enormously as these things can be generational and steeped in luck. As long as the ECB doesn't use it as an excuse to let the format die.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #99 on:** May 25, 2018, 08:38:00 pm »

Quote from: Lfsea on May 25, 2018, 08:30:45 pm

Strauss said as much in his TMS interview yesterday. He pretty much admitted (from my interpretation) that the ECBs goal for ODI brilliance has been at the expense of the Test team. I don't mind enormously as these things can be generational and steeped in luck. As long as the ECB doesn't use it as an excuse to let the format die.

Where's the incentive for players to want to play 4 day cricket to try and get in the test team though? Players contracted by the ECB earn quite a bit in comparison to other nations I think, but it's still not nearly as much as hired T20 guns can get playing around the world. If you're a very good limited overs player and a middling first class player do you really want to slog it out at New Road in the summer when you could be playing in a carnival atmosphere in Kingston? Expect to see more players join Rashid and Hales. It's a huge problem and one that is very difficult to fix.

Yorkykopite · « **Reply #100 on:** May 25, 2018, 08:52:23 pm »

Quote from: Lfsea on May 25, 2018, 08:30:45 pm

Strauss said as much in his TMS interview yesterday. He pretty much admitted (from my interpretation) that the ECBs goal for ODI brilliance has been at the expense of the Test team. I don't mind enormously as these things can be generational and steeped in luck. As long as the ECB doesn't use it as an excuse to let the format die.

It’s disgraceful. The English cricketing public wants a strong Test team. The grounds are always full for Test matches. It’s where we measure greatness. The ECB should recognise this and get its priorities right.

CheshireDave · « **Reply #101 on:** May 26, 2018, 11:40:38 am »

Cook gone for 1. England miles behind.

Innings defeat?

voodoo ray · « **Reply #102 on:** May 26, 2018, 12:47:48 pm »

well that should be the last we see of stoneman in test whites for a while. try someone else.

amir87 · « **Reply #103 on:** May 26, 2018, 02:55:10 pm »

Quality bowling. Went right through him.

Frank Becton · « **Reply #104 on:** May 26, 2018, 03:10:48 pm »

Quote from: voodoo ray on May 26, 2018, 12:47:48 pm

well that should be the last we see of stoneman in test whites for a while. try someone else.

Agreed, but just not sure who.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #105 on:** May 26, 2018, 03:12:04 pm »

Quote from: Frank Becton on May 26, 2018, 03:10:48 pm

Agreed, but just not sure who.

Jennings.

The North Bank · « **Reply #106 on:** May 26, 2018, 03:17:46 pm »

So much for being excellent at home.... Embarrassing everywhere these days.

cricketrocks · « **Reply #107 on:** May 26, 2018, 03:19:23 pm »

We don't tend to like the first game in a series, do we?

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #108 on:** May 26, 2018, 03:23:03 pm »

Surely nobody is surprised though? I said it could be bad on the first day. Worst England team for a very long time.

voodoo ray · « **Reply #109 on:** May 26, 2018, 03:29:50 pm »

apart from being not able to post a decent score, not being able to take 20 wickets and dropping catches, where are we going wrong?

IgorBobbins · « **Reply #110 on:** May 26, 2018, 03:33:21 pm »

Shocking stuff. We’re just not very good anymore.

The North Bank · « **Reply #111 on:** May 26, 2018, 03:44:24 pm »

Joe Root shouldnt be captain, he still looks like a school boy.

voodoo ray · « **Reply #112 on:** May 26, 2018, 04:06:19 pm »

botham mentioning the toss again. I can't see why that's relevant to 111-6 on what looks to be a batting day.

dudleyred · « **Reply #113 on:** May 26, 2018, 04:10:04 pm »

Quote from: voodoo ray on May 26, 2018, 04:06:19 pm

botham mentioning the toss again. I can't see why that's relevant to 111-6 on what looks to be a batting day.

Relevant I guess in as much as it was the first fuck up of many

Ray K · « **Reply #114 on:** May 26, 2018, 04:18:31 pm »

Not quite sure why the ICC organised a schedule where Pakistan get one warm up test against a better side than the one they're playing in two tests, but there you go.

dudleyred · « **Reply #115 on:** May 26, 2018, 04:19:34 pm »

Quote from: Ray K on May 26, 2018, 04:18:31 pm

Not quite sure why the ICC organised a schedule where Pakistan get one warm up test against a better side than the one they're playing in two tests, but there you go.

puroresu_kid · « **Reply #116 on:** May 26, 2018, 04:46:16 pm »

Really like this Pakistani attack.

Good to see Mohammed Amir bowling well

The North Bank · « **Reply #117 on:** May 26, 2018, 04:54:33 pm »

Joss Butler is easily Englands best player now, the only that looks like he can stay in for a long time.

voodoo ray · « **Reply #118 on:** May 26, 2018, 05:46:03 pm »

don't think I've ever seen the MCC waistcoat before.

cricketrocks · « **Reply #119 on:** May 26, 2018, 06:14:57 pm »

A really enjoyable partnership going on here.