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Re: Max Clifford gets 8 years in jail & Add Now ROLF GUILTY
« Reply #120 on: July 4, 2014, 01:56:42 pm »
Imagine if these people had the conscience and self-control to have sought some help early on for their unsavoury sexual urges, and either led ordinary lives as best they could, or became popular family entertainers without all this dark shit going on in the background. You know, consulted their superego, admitted to themselves and their loved ones that they had a problem before it led them anywhere like this, got some real treatment for it and then resolved to just use their talents for good? Imagine if wholesome characters like Rolf Harris weren't just a cynical facade, but were instead an honest, innocent reflection of their true selves. What a lovely world that would be.

That's assuming such desires can somehow be successfully treated and controlled in an individual. I wonder who will be the next icon of my childhood to be revealed as a predatory, manipulative, sick creep. Heavy sigh.
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Re: Max Clifford gets 8 years in jail & Add Now ROLF GUILTY
« Reply #121 on: July 4, 2014, 02:06:06 pm »
5 years 9 months for 12 offences. So just under 6 months per offence.

Never mind eh, I'm sure all those girls were well over it after 6 months.

Unbelievable really.

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« Reply #122 on: July 4, 2014, 02:26:12 pm »
Don't forget the sentence is based on the punishment at the time the crimes was committed however vile & lenient we all think it is.

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« Reply #123 on: July 4, 2014, 02:31:06 pm »
All of this sort of ruins the Saturday Evening viewing from my childhood.

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Re: Max Clifford gets 8 years in jail & Add Now ROLF GUILTY
« Reply #124 on: July 4, 2014, 03:08:42 pm »
Got longer than i expected and from newspaper reports he may face more charges in other countries. He is finished and will never be able to set foot out of his home when he is released. anyone else hear the abuse hurled at him just walking to his car with his family. he has got what he deserved.
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« Reply #125 on: July 4, 2014, 03:14:24 pm »
I just hope he serves every day

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Re: Max Clifford gets 8 years in jail & Add Now ROLF GUILTY
« Reply #126 on: July 4, 2014, 03:17:42 pm »
At his age, that is possibly a life sentence. I would not be surprised if it broke him and he died inside.

This sums up my feeling too. Predatory famous adult on vulnerable girls. I really have no sympathy. I hope the mental pain of being in prison gets close to the anguish suffered by the victims.

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Re: Max Clifford gets 8 years in jail & Add Now ROLF GUILTY
« Reply #127 on: July 4, 2014, 03:22:55 pm »
Got longer than i expected and from newspaper reports he may face more charges in other countries. He is finished and will never be able to set foot out of his home when he is released. anyone else hear the abuse hurled at him just walking to his car with his family. he has got what he deserved.
What he's been given as so-called ''justice'' is nothing, it's the dirty old bastard's victims who've had a life sentence all this time.
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« Reply #128 on: July 4, 2014, 03:24:32 pm »
Seems he could be in for a longer term if this is reviewed:
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« Reply #129 on: July 4, 2014, 03:35:01 pm »
What he's been given as so-called ''justice'' is nothing, it's the dirty old bastard's victims who've had a life sentence all this time.
Well,am all in favour of locking every pedophile up for life so it's not a matter of what he deserves. just the expected sentence, Sky news saying all day he would probably get 4 yrs so it was a bit longer than expected.
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Re: Max Clifford gets 8 years in jail & Add Now ROLF GUILTY
« Reply #130 on: July 4, 2014, 03:39:53 pm »
Well,am all in favour of locking every pedophile up for life so it's not a matter of what he deserves. just the expected sentence, Sky news saying all day he would probably get 4 yrs so it was a bit longer than expected.
Fair point.

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Re: Max Clifford gets 8 years in jail & Add Now ROLF GUILTY
« Reply #131 on: July 4, 2014, 04:01:58 pm »
Fair point.

I tend to get a bit ranty on this subject.
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Yeah. you cant help having strong feelings on this subject. half of the time your expecting them to get a slap on the wrist when the public want a long sentence. i agree, the courts should give a lot more consideration to the victims.
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Re: Max Clifford gets 8 years in jail & Add Now ROLF GUILTY
« Reply #132 on: July 4, 2014, 04:24:42 pm »
Plenty of scope for him to be called back to court should others step forward, as with Stuart Hall.  But in all honesty the pair of them should have been told they'd die in jail.
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« Reply #133 on: July 4, 2014, 05:27:06 pm »
Him and all of his sort are nothing but the shit of my shoe, and that says a lot when my shoes have walked a lot of miles through shit. If this ever happened to someone i loved, forget them doing time, they wouldn't be here, i'd be behind bars.

It's a shame that retrospectively they can only be tried under legislation at the time, however at their ages, that will be just long enough no doubt, and be sure they'll get a rough ride in the nick all right.

I despise anyone who takes advantage of those who are vulnerable, and i'm sure there are more to come out the woodwork.
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Re: Max Clifford gets 8 years in jail & Add Now ROLF GUILTY
« Reply #134 on: July 4, 2014, 08:31:03 pm »
I just want to add my opinion and say i still like Rolf Harris, the entertainer and the part i remember growing up of course

The other side of him which has emerged is disgusting and vile and as a parent myself he deserves jail and justice has been served.

The sentence was fair in my opinion and I hope it brings closure for all involved. 

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« Reply #135 on: July 4, 2014, 08:31:52 pm »
I just want to add my opinion and say i still like Rolf Harris, the entertainer and the part i remember growing up of course

The other side of him which has emerged is disgusting and vile and as a parent myself he deserves jail and justice has been served.

The sentence was fair in my opinion and I hope it brings closure for all involved. 
It's impossible to separate your memories form what you've just heard though isn't it?
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« Reply #136 on: July 4, 2014, 08:36:11 pm »
I hope his cell mate jumps down from his bunk first night ,lobs his cock out and says "can you tell what it is yet".

Disgusting man who imo should of got a lot longer than the 6 years given ,hopefully the review changes that.

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« Reply #137 on: July 4, 2014, 09:03:09 pm »
It's impossible to separate your memories form what you've just heard though isn't it?

Of course. Forever tarnished. Although some of the reactions wishing him dead in jail etc is a bit over the top imo.

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« Reply #138 on: July 4, 2014, 09:04:08 pm »
I just find it all so heartbreaking. I feel for the young girls he assaulted and whose ingenuous trust he took advantage of; I feel for his family, who now need to decide if they can ever forgive him or whether they ever should; I feel for myself, for the disfigurement of another innocent part of my life tucked away back there, the shattering of what now I see was just a fond childhood illusion.

Everyone coming out with what they'd do to him if they got him in a room to themselves... I'm sorry, I know I'm a softarse, but I couldn't bring myself to do physical harm to Rolf Harris. He'll die in prison, or else come out a frail and broken man, the damage will have been done, have no fear. The damage is vast and irreversible, and I don't believe he will be completely immune to sincere guilt now that it's all confronted him at once, unignorably and inescapably. Is that enough? In a way, no; in a way, yes.


The truly hard question is not what you'd do if a dear loved one was the victim, but if they were the perpetrator. At the extreme end of crimes of this ilk, utter severance of all ties and disownership would seem the only option... but that's easier said than done with someone you love deeply and been close to for much of/all your life. And what of the crimes that while still vile, are not so extreme? If the victms can forgive them, can you? I cannot even contemplate such matters of the heart.
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« Reply #139 on: July 4, 2014, 09:21:41 pm »
Don't know what the solution is, but Rolf has lived his life, earned his fortune and had a fantastic existence at the expense of innocent child's lives.
They have continued to suffer for years after being abused and yet this creature has the opportunity to be free again in two and a half years?

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« Reply #140 on: July 4, 2014, 09:52:24 pm »
Don't know what the solution is, but Rolf has lived his life, earned his fortune and had a fantastic existence at the expense of innocent child's lives.
They have continued to suffer for years after being abused and yet this creature has the opportunity to be free again in two and a half years?

Hopefully they have the chance to sue him for damages.

You have to feel for Rolf's wife too, another innocent party in this all.
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« Reply #141 on: July 4, 2014, 09:53:26 pm »
Don't know what the solution is, but Rolf has lived his life, earned his fortune and had a fantastic existence at the expense of innocent child's lives.
They have continued to suffer for years after being abused and yet this creature has the opportunity to be free again in two and a half years?

See, this is what gets me.

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« Reply #142 on: July 5, 2014, 03:23:10 pm »
I hope his cell mate jumps down from his bunk first night ,lobs his cock out and says "can you tell what it is yet".

Disgusting man who imo should of got a lot longer than the 6 years given ,hopefully the review changes that.
I'd guess at his age he'd have no cell mate.

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« Reply #143 on: July 5, 2014, 03:32:28 pm »
I'd guess at his age he'd have no cell mate.

He will but it'll be another nonce or a vulnerable prisoner.

It won't get extended neither, they're governed by sentencing guidelines and for this offence that's about right. I'm sure it'll get thrown out, it's got to be absurdly wrong for it to be changed.

On another note, what damage will this do to the value of his paintings. I've got a couple here, do you reckon they'll now be worthless ??

Hopefully he kills himself and they'll increase in value.

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« Reply #144 on: July 5, 2014, 03:49:34 pm »
On another note, what damage will this do to the value of his paintings. I've got a couple here, do you reckon they'll now be worthless ??

Hopefully he kills himself and they'll increase in value.

Dunno.  What are Gary Glitter's records going for lately?
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« Reply #145 on: July 5, 2014, 03:52:15 pm »
He will but it'll be another nonce or a vulnerable prisoner.

It won't get extended neither, they're governed by sentencing guidelines and for this offence that's about right. I'm sure it'll get thrown out, it's got to be absurdly wrong for it to be changed.

On another note, what damage will this do to the value of his paintings. I've got a couple here, do you reckon they'll now be worthless ??

Hopefully he kills himself and they'll increase in value.

There was as segment on the news last night about this. Consensus being that the value of his paintings on Ebay have decreased by about 70-80 percent.

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« Reply #146 on: July 5, 2014, 04:12:27 pm »
Dunno.  What are Gary Glitter's records going for lately?

I've got a peculiar record in my collection.

It's a Record made by BBC DJ Ed Stewart otherwise known as "Stewpot". It's a very bizarre record indeed. What does chill the bones a bit is that in the middle of one of the songs, none other than 'special guest' Gary Glitter is invited to sing a song with the kids. Truly bizarre indeed.
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« Reply #147 on: July 5, 2014, 04:18:39 pm »
I'd guess at his age he'd have no cell mate.
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« Reply #148 on: July 5, 2014, 05:11:18 pm »
There was as segment on the news last night about this. Consensus being that the value of his paintings on Ebay have decreased by about 70-80 percent.

Rolf had a display on in Liverpool recently (last 18 months or so) if memory serves.  Just thinking of his Rolferoo makes me wince.
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« Reply #149 on: July 5, 2014, 05:34:23 pm »

Rolf had a display on in Liverpool recently (last 18 months or so) if memory serves.  Just thinking of his Rolferoo makes me wince.

The whitewall gallery in Liverpool one which is full of semi decent paintings was all Rolf until this.

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« Reply #150 on: July 6, 2014, 07:41:41 pm »
Vanessa Feltz has come out saying that Rolf groped her on live TV.

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« Reply #151 on: July 6, 2014, 09:49:29 pm »
Vanessa Feltz has come out saying that Rolf groped her on live TV.

Bloody hell, man's already been punished.
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« Reply #152 on: July 7, 2014, 09:46:35 am »
Yes because being groped by a convicted sex offender is a joking matter  ::)
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« Reply #153 on: July 7, 2014, 10:00:26 am »
Well groping Vanessa Feltz certainly isn't
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« Reply #155 on: July 8, 2014, 02:56:19 pm »
You have to feel for Rolf's wife too, another innocent party in this all.

I always wonder about things like this

was she truly innocent

did she know more than she ever let on or did she convince herself that he wasnt what she thought he may have been

I havnt read anywhere that she was complicit in any way

but for me anyway, you have to wonder what a spouse knows

personally I find it hard to describe her as quite innocent given how long he has been doing this and that at some point the whole family knew about his affair with his daughters best friend

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Re: Max Clifford gets 8 years in jail & Add Now ROLF GUILTY
« Reply #157 on: July 8, 2014, 08:01:41 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkzxGr4Yx8U

I remember seeing that - it wasn't banned as far as I know. The joke was that Rolf n Saturday was a shit show:

The footage, first broadcast in December 1980 in episode seven, series three of the BBC comedy show, was described as "revealing" by online commentators and posted on the blog of the former Daily Telegraph columnist Norman Lebrecht with the caption: "Watch, and wonder. Who knew?"

Lloyd said that he and the team had been making a "pathetically mild" joke about how they "had to drum up an audience for a terrible Saturday show" - and that it was "awful" to look back on the video in the wake of Harris' sex abuse convictions.


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« Reply #158 on: July 8, 2014, 08:10:34 pm »
I remember seeing that - it wasn't banned as far as I know. The joke was that Rolf n Saturday was a shit show:

The footage, first broadcast in December 1980 in episode seven, series three of the BBC comedy show, was described as "revealing" by online commentators and posted on the blog of the former Daily Telegraph columnist Norman Lebrecht with the caption: "Watch, and wonder. Who knew?"

Lloyd said that he and the team had been making a "pathetically mild" joke about how they "had to drum up an audience for a terrible Saturday show" - and that it was "awful" to look back on the video in the wake of Harris' sex abuse convictions.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rolf-harris-not-the-nine-oclock-news-childsnatching-sketch-makes-bbc-producer-john-lloyds-blood-run-cold-looking-back-now-9589966.html

Reeks of Kenneth Tynan. Not in the same vein of course, but talk about sticking the flag up.
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Re: Max Clifford gets 8 years in jail & Add Now ROLF GUILTY
« Reply #159 on: July 9, 2014, 08:53:32 am »
Of course. Forever tarnished. Although some of the reactions wishing him dead in jail etc is a bit over the top imo.

well i dont fucking think it is ott  the fucking shitbag. Can you see what it is yet. Yea my fist you twisted c*nt .
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