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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #400 on: August 26, 2016, 06:12:48 pm »
Yup. Had enough. Going private as soon as possible. Fed up of not being able to have the equipment I need available to treat my patients effectively.

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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #401 on: August 31, 2016, 03:42:04 pm »
Sums up everything that's wrong with so many of these NHS Trusts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37229739

An NHS trust's decision to move its boss to a new role with the same salary is a "scandal", according to the mother of a teenager who died under its watch.

Chief executive Katrina Percy resigned on Tuesday following pressure over the way Southern Health NHS Foundation Trust investigated patient deaths.

Ms Percy's salary is quoted in the trust's annual report as between £180,000 and £190,000.

Sara Ryan said: "It is a scandal... it doesn't happen in the real world."

......


"There seems to be no consequences for her after years of documented failure... nothing surprises me anymore with what the trust do.

"They seem to go against everything that makes sense to everybody.

"It makes you wonder what you have to do to get sacked from a high powered NHS job."

Rob Greig, the former Department of Health director for learning disabilities, said the salary was not appropriate for an advisory role.

"Any reputable job evaluation process would not conclude that those two jobs merited the same salary."

The trust's chairman Tim Smart described the job as an "alternative role working with local GP leaders providing strategic advice on the transformation of local health services".

"There is vital work that needs to be done for which she is ideally suited," he said.



I can't help but wonder if this vital work also involves discussions of a Ugandan nature.


Oh, and this is the very same Tim Smart....

Smart was the 14th highest paid NHS manager in the UK in 2011, and so was one of the at least 660 NHS managers who earned more than the UK Prime Minister.

Note his Medical qualifications.

This stinks.
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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #402 on: August 31, 2016, 03:53:34 pm »
Sums up everything that's wrong with so many of these NHS Trusts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37229739

An NHS trust's decision to move its boss to a new role with the same salary is a "scandal", according to the mother of a teenager who died under its watch.

Chief executive Katrina Percy resigned on Tuesday following pressure over the way Southern Health NHS Foundation Trust investigated patient deaths.

Ms Percy's salary is quoted in the trust's annual report as between £180,000 and £190,000.

Sara Ryan said: "It is a scandal... it doesn't happen in the real world."

......


"There seems to be no consequences for her after years of documented failure... nothing surprises me anymore with what the trust do.

"They seem to go against everything that makes sense to everybody.

"It makes you wonder what you have to do to get sacked from a high powered NHS job."

Rob Greig, the former Department of Health director for learning disabilities, said the salary was not appropriate for an advisory role.

"Any reputable job evaluation process would not conclude that those two jobs merited the same salary."

The trust's chairman Tim Smart described the job as an "alternative role working with local GP leaders providing strategic advice on the transformation of local health services".

"There is vital work that needs to be done for which she is ideally suited," he said.



I can't help but wonder if this vital work also involves discussions of a Ugandan nature.


Oh, and this is the very same Tim Smart....

Smart was the 14th highest paid NHS manager in the UK in 2011, and so was one of the at least 660 NHS managers who earned more than the UK Prime Minister.

Note his Medical qualifications.

This stinks.

I don't think you need medical qualifications to Chair an NHS trust. A business background, particularly at a strategic level is probably helpful.

The most important criteria is a degree of common sense, recognising serial incompetence and dealing with it. Rewarding this abject failure is a dereliction of duty and he should go as well. Makes a laughing stock of what all the hard working medical staff try to achieve.

It stinks to high heaven.

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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #403 on: August 31, 2016, 04:34:37 pm »
I don't think you need medical qualifications to Chair an NHS trust. A business background, particularly at a strategic level is probably helpful.

The most important criteria is a degree of common sense, recognising serial incompetence and dealing with it. Rewarding this abject failure is a dereliction of duty and he should go as well. Makes a laughing stock of what all the hard working medical staff try to achieve.

It stinks to high heaven.
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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #404 on: August 31, 2016, 10:28:06 pm »
Had to visit in the hospital today and spoke to a porter. Totally shocking the money they are taking out of the NHS and the staff have no doubts the 'management' that are on mega-bucks, expenses and the rest are hoovering it up - the real staff and the equipment and supplied are getting shafted by private enterprise making a profit.

But we all knew that.
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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #405 on: September 1, 2016, 07:41:53 am »
Had to visit in the hospital today and spoke to a porter. Totally shocking the money they are taking out of the NHS and the staff have no doubts the 'management' that are on mega-bucks, expenses and the rest are hoovering it up - the real staff and the equipment and supplied are getting shafted by private enterprise making a profit.

But we all knew that.

I've said it enough on here.  Left my old trust as each department had to find a set percentage of savings each.  Problem is most other departments, particularly ones like theatres use a lot of disposable equipment that they could renegotiate terms on or get cheaper equipment. Radiology, especially there used very little and the only on going money user was servicing contracts and staff.  The common thing that was said is we need to find out how to do more with less. Common thing that gets heard currently at a time when we are under more pressure than ever to get beds cleared (once patients have had there scan they can go sort of thing) get patients scanned before they breach in a and e etc.  The trust I'm at now I'd say is doing very well under the circumstances but if they keep on cutting who knows what will happen there as well.

One thing I will say though is all the cuts come from the medical side. Never the upper management.  Which we all knew would be a lie when the tories said patients won't be affected. They may not notice it but we are double booking scans, staying behind later than we have to, fitting mulitple emergency scans onto already full lists so we get as many cleared before they hit there beach dates. All sorts.  Things aren't helped either by unrealistic targets doctors are under now particularly in a and e and especially with doctor shortages in that area as well as gp shortages.

Just as an example for that. A patient arrives at a and e with 6 month back pain at 3am. Ridiculous I know but this happens a lot.  Now really they should have been to their gp but due to shortages they think they have to wait too long for an appointment and they want to be cured now. (See the transfer forum for instant gratification that people want nowadays and that's people of all ages except for the over 70''s who are all really appreciative I'd say).  So as they can't wait a few days for a gp appointment they have gone to a and e at a time when they think it will be quiet. Again that has been a genuine reason said to me on a lot of occasions. Just say there have been car crashes tonight and a taxi has dropped some fella off who's been stabbed and you've got 5 people whove been in a few seperate pissed up scrap's,  kids who've fell out of bed and hit their head and won't stop vomiting etc.  All of them need attention tonight medically.  Then the doctor has got to come away from seeing one of those people to bist the fella with 6 month pain in case he brearches and make a quick decision of what to do.  He may actually have a fractured vertebrae or spinal cord compression or one of the few unlikely possibilities that would require him to be warded. So to save time examining him off to get all the scans just in case he gets discharged and so he can't say we haven't tried in the event he tries to sue.  That's how it impacts alon the line but multiple times now.  Each place of under funding has a chain link that only gets bigger and only on the medical side. 

Also one thing I will never understand on Merseyside is why we have so many separate trust with all their own upper management. You've got the royal and Aintree who try to outcome tell for funding. Just merge them. Alder hey, lhch, the woman's, Warrington,  Southport and Ormskirk, Whiston and St Helens,  arrow.... surely a load of them could get merged at the upper level. Particularly the women's.  Would save a shitload and the money could go to medical care. Funny thing is I've heard they may do something along those lines recently but I can only hope
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« Reply #406 on: September 1, 2016, 08:29:47 am »
Just to add to my ramblings

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/this-is-the-biggest-change-to-the-nhs-youve-never-heard-of-a7218536.html

This is the biggest change to the NHS you've never heard of

The NHS has lost over 50 percent of its bed capacity in the past 25 years. Our bed to population ratios are now below Eastern European countries. Further hospital closures will simply be disastrous

The government's Sustainability & Transformation Plans (STP) have been shrouded in secrecy. Despite being the biggest change to the NHS since the Health & Social Care Act 2012, they will not be voted on them in parliament.

So what exactly are the STPs? The NHS will be divided up into 44 footprints, but you need a glossary to translate these terms. Sustainability means cuts. This is part of the drive towards £22bn in cuts by 2020 – bearing in mind that we've already had £15bn in NHS cuts in the last parliament generating a manufactured crisis. Cuts mean a massive programme of hospital closures across the country and it will also lead to mergers and permanently selling off the NHS estate of land and assets.

The bogus narrative around unsustainability and unaffordability has been spun by the private healthcare and insurance industry, captured politicians and the media. In truth, we spend much less on healthcare than other advanced economies.

In order for these footprints to receive funds, there are strings attached. The footprints will have to sign up to transformation, which basically means privatisation. The footprints will have to adopt unproven models of care.

The bigger picture here is integrated healthcare. It sounds great but it's imported from the US. The NHS five year plan – the Five Year Forward View – specifically states that the NHS should emulate US style integrated or accountable care. Integrated care organisations are springing up all over the place.

This is all being sold as care in the community, but there are no extra resources for GP and community services.

In fact, we already have a major bed crisis. The NHS has lost over 50 per cent of its bed capacity in the past 25 years. Our bed to population ratios are now below Eastern European countries. Further hospital closures will simply be disastrous.

Patients – often the elderly or young mothers and children – will be forced to travel much further. In rural areas, this may mean long distances along country roads. When it comes to emergencies, patients will die. Clearly what is needed are high quality local services.

Instead, NHS England are offering virtual Skype consultations, health apps, self-care and pharmacies as a substitute for high quality medical and nursing care. We are also seeing deliberate deskilling and de-professionalisation of NHS staff, hence the cost-saving seven day plans, the junior doctors' contract and the removal of the student nursing bursary.

According to the Dalton Review, the aim is to create chains of super hospitals, which can be run by the NHS or private companies. The GP Forward View states that GPs will be merged into networks of federated organisations. This restructuring is designed to entice the private sector. Chains of hospitals and networks of GPs can be bought out by corporations or private equity. This is a far more attractive prospect for investors than running a small GP surgery or a district general hospital.

And the starting gun has been fired. In my neighbourhood of Southwark, several GP surgeries are merging into Nexus Health Group.

The worst part is that integrated care may not even lead to savings. All of which will mean denying access to hospitals, specialists and sometimes life-saving treatment. To put it bluntly, private healthcare, Private Finance Initiative (PFI) consortia, platoons of management consultants, “big four” accountants and lawyers will continue to cream off billions whilst patients suffer.

The ultimate destination is a two tier system. The majority of ordinary people will have a third-class service and the wealthy will be forced to take up private healthcare insurance.

None of this is inevitable or unavoidable. There will be fierce, local resistance. Abstract privatisation legislation is one thing. The concrete reality of your local hospital closing will mobilise thousands of people.

The The Fourth Estate coverage of STPs comes on the back of Jeremy Corbyn's announcement to renationalise the NHS. The NHS Reinstatement Bill aims to restore a publicly provided, owned and accountable health service. Removing the market, the private sector, the Private Finance Initiative (PFI) and outsourcing would release tens of billions to spend on patient care. This is the progressive alternative for a 21st century NHS.
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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #407 on: September 1, 2016, 08:53:39 am »
I've said it enough on here.  Left my old trust as each department had to find a set percentage of savings each.  Problem is most other departments, particularly ones like theatres use a lot of disposable equipment that they could renegotiate terms on or get cheaper equipment. Radiology, especially there used very little and the only on going money user was servicing contracts and staff.  The common thing that was said is we need to find out how to do more with less. Common thing that gets heard currently at a time when we are under more pressure than ever to get beds cleared (once patients have had there scan they can go sort of thing) get patients scanned before they breach in a and e etc.  The trust I'm at now I'd say is doing very well under the circumstances but if they keep on cutting who knows what will happen there as well.

One thing I will say though is all the cuts come from the medical side. Never the upper management.  Which we all knew would be a lie when the tories said patients won't be affected. They may not notice it but we are double booking scans, staying behind later than we have to, fitting mulitple emergency scans onto already full lists so we get as many cleared before they hit there beach dates. All sorts.  Things aren't helped either by unrealistic targets doctors are under now particularly in a and e and especially with doctor shortages in that area as well as gp shortages.

Just as an example for that. A patient arrives at a and e with 6 month back pain at 3am. Ridiculous I know but this happens a lot.  Now really they should have been to their gp but due to shortages they think they have to wait too long for an appointment and they want to be cured now. (See the transfer forum for instant gratification that people want nowadays and that's people of all ages except for the over 70''s who are all really appreciative I'd say).  So as they can't wait a few days for a gp appointment they have gone to a and e at a time when they think it will be quiet. Again that has been a genuine reason said to me on a lot of occasions. Just say there have been car crashes tonight and a taxi has dropped some fella off who's been stabbed and you've got 5 people whove been in a few seperate pissed up scrap's,  kids who've fell out of bed and hit their head and won't stop vomiting etc.  All of them need attention tonight medically.  Then the doctor has got to come away from seeing one of those people to bist the fella with 6 month pain in case he brearches and make a quick decision of what to do.  He may actually have a fractured vertebrae or spinal cord compression or one of the few unlikely possibilities that would require him to be warded. So to save time examining him off to get all the scans just in case he gets discharged and so he can't say we haven't tried in the event he tries to sue.  That's how it impacts alon the line but multiple times now.  Each place of under funding has a chain link that only gets bigger and only on the medical side. 

Also one thing I will never understand on Merseyside is why we have so many separate trust with all their own upper management. You've got the royal and Aintree who try to outcome tell for funding. Just merge them. Alder hey, lhch, the woman's, Warrington,  Southport and Ormskirk, Whiston and St Helens,  arrow.... surely a load of them could get merged at the upper level. Particularly the women's.  Would save a shitload and the money could go to medical care. Funny thing is I've heard they may do something along those lines recently but I can only hope


The porter was saying it was known that 'Upper Management' was sucking the money out like there was no tomorrow mate. I've a few friends and family that worked/work for the NHS and they all say the same thing.
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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #408 on: September 1, 2016, 09:17:55 am »

The porter was saying it was known that 'Upper Management' was sucking the money out like there was no tomorrow mate. I've a few friends and family that worked/work for the NHS and they all say the same thing.

Who decides which trust merges with whch other trust. Upper management.

Who may lose out if there is a merger. Upper manangement.(Unless they get a job as an advisor on the same salary, but that couldn't happen, could it?)

Those turkeys won't be voting for Xmas.

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« Reply #409 on: September 1, 2016, 09:55:09 am »
Who decides which trust merges with whch other trust. Upper management.

Who may lose out if there is a merger. Upper manangement.(Unless they get a job as an advisor on the same salary, but that couldn't happen, could it?)

Those turkeys won't be voting for Xmas.

Managers in to review the cuts of the managers who are reviewing the cuts?

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« Reply #410 on: September 1, 2016, 10:05:25 am »
Managers in to review the cuts of the managers who are reviewing the cuts?

Aah! Redundant managers now employed as consultants pretending to be independent.

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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #411 on: September 1, 2016, 10:57:01 am »

The porter was saying it was known that 'Upper Management' was sucking the money out like there was no tomorrow mate. I've a few friends and family that worked/work for the NHS and they all say the same thing.

Years back, when the NHS was being reorganised into these Trusts, I seem to remember much was made that this reorganisation would enable people with credible proven management experience from other industries to become involved, management experience that apparently the NHS then lacked.

However it would seem that the only management skills that have been imported are those of personal greed and self reward.

If these Management people are really any good, why are so many of these Trusts in such difficulties?

Rather like Local Authority senior management positions, there really does seem to be something fraudulent going on, and on a grand scale.

And regarding the lack of medical qualifications of so many of these people, while others on the board may well bring skills from other industries if required, I happen to believe that the chief positions of all trusts should always be of experienced senior medical practitioners, people who have directly experienced the front line and know and understand exactly what's at stake for patient care.


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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #412 on: September 1, 2016, 06:09:18 pm »
Prime Minister accuses Junior Doctors of playing politics -BBC news

Well she should know - it is the Tories who have made the NHS into a political football along with education.

How about the BBC asking some hard questions instead of regurgitating lies from "senior Tories"
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« Reply #413 on: September 2, 2016, 10:44:56 am »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l6rvxC0Ry94

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« Reply #414 on: September 2, 2016, 10:49:36 am »
Years back, when the NHS was being reorganised into these Trusts, I seem to remember much was made that this reorganisation would enable people with credible proven management experience from other industries to become involved, management experience that apparently the NHS then lacked.

However it would seem that the only management skills that have been imported are those of personal greed and self reward.

If these Management people are really any good, why are so many of these Trusts in such difficulties?

Rather like Local Authority senior management positions, there really does seem to be something fraudulent going on, and on a grand scale.

And regarding the lack of medical qualifications of so many of these people, while others on the board may well bring skills from other industries if required, I happen to believe that the chief positions of all trusts should always be of experienced senior medical practitioners, people who have directly experienced the front line and know and understand exactly what's at stake for patient care.




Absolutely right mate
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« Reply #415 on: September 2, 2016, 12:22:20 pm »


Andy, have a laugh at this

Then consider she is (still) being paid somewhere around £240,000 and despite these claims.

Now cry.

But oh, those naughty junior doctors....




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« Reply #416 on: September 3, 2016, 08:26:35 am »
Andy, have a laugh at this

Then consider she is (still) being paid somewhere around £240,000 and despite these claims.

Now cry.

But oh, those naughty junior doctors....






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« Reply #417 on: September 3, 2016, 08:27:43 am »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-37265752

Obese patients face NHS surgery ban to save money

Obese patients will be refused surgery for up to a year as part of efforts to save money, an NHS commissioning group in North Yorkshire has said.
Officials at the Vale of York Clinical Commissioning Group said the decision came at a time when the local system was under "severe pressure".
The move will see a ban on, for example, hip and knee operations.
The Royal College of Surgeons described the restrictions as some of the most severe the modern NHS has ever seen.
'Bursting at the seams'
The restrictions will apply to patients with a body mass index of 30 or above which indicates obesity, as well as smokers.
If, however, the patient can shed 10% of their weight, they could be referred within the year.
The new rules will only apply to elective surgery for non-life threatening conditions.
Chris Hopson, the head of NHS Providers representing acute care, ambulance and community services, told the Daily Telegraph: "I think we are going to see more and more decisions like this.
"It's the only way providers are going to be able to balance their books, and in a way you have to applaud their honesty. You can see why they're doing this - the service is bursting at the seams."


The Royal College of Surgeons told the paper that the true scale of financial pressure on NHS trusts was becoming clear.
It said Clinical Commissioning Groups were now introducing draconian commissioning policies, flouting clinical guidance, just to balance the books.
A major study of the global obesity problem by Imperial College scientists found there were 6.8 million obese men in the UK in 2014, and 7.7 million obese women.
A statement from the Vale of York Clinical Commissioning Group said: "The local system is under severe pressure.
"This work will help to ensure that we get the very best value from the NHS and not exceed our resources or risk the ability of the NHS being there when people really need it."
It added that they wanted to support work to help people in the community to stop smoking and where needed, lose weight.




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« Reply #418 on: September 3, 2016, 08:29:11 am »
This is quite ironic by the way as this is Chris Hopson




BMI is a very poor way of determining obesity. For instance, if you have a solid lad that has a high degree of muscle, they could easily 'fail' the BMI test and yet be more active and healthy than someone that 'passes' the test.


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« Reply #419 on: September 3, 2016, 10:05:16 am »
This is quite ironic by the way as this is Chris Hopson



I thought he wasn't 'for' this proposal, just pointing out the direction of travel?

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« Reply #420 on: September 3, 2016, 04:10:37 pm »
I'm done with the NHS, I can't wait to get out of it. I've just got a promotion within a new trust. On my 3rd day there's a big meeting where the CEO is present. His message - we're under pressure from the commissioners to perform better and they're threatening to put our contract out for tender. We're a 30 strong community team working out of 7 health centres to make it easier for the patients within our area to get in to physio. We see patients back to back from 8am in the morning until 6pm at night, Monday - Friday, with a half an hour lunch at 12:30 - no other breaks apart from one 30 minute admin slot to help us catch up. Our follow up appointments are around 3-4 weeks and we have to see 90% of our new patients within 6 weeks. We currently see around 55% within that time - it's an impossible target to reach without extra staffing, which we don't have the budget for. We can't provide some of the equipment needed to assist the patients to complete their exercises, or to provide some relief, and have to send them to the pharmacy or Boots to buy them due to budget constraints. The equipment we do have is cheap shit and stops working not long after the patients leave the department - again, budget! We don't treat patients to get them better or until they get better, we treat them until they are able to manage their condition themselves so we can discharge and get more new patients in.

I'm done. I'm going private where I can get adequate equipment, better support and work in an environment that's actually going to benefit and push my patients until they are better. It wasn't this bad when I started 3 years ago...

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« Reply #421 on: September 3, 2016, 08:43:51 pm »
I'm done with the NHS, I can't wait to get out of it. I've just got a promotion within a new trust. On my 3rd day there's a big meeting where the CEO is present. His message - we're under pressure from the commissioners to perform better and they're threatening to put our contract out for tender. We're a 30 strong community team working out of 7 health centres to make it easier for the patients within our area to get in to physio. We see patients back to back from 8am in the morning until 6pm at night, Monday - Friday, with a half an hour lunch at 12:30 - no other breaks apart from one 30 minute admin slot to help us catch up. Our follow up appointments are around 3-4 weeks and we have to see 90% of our new patients within 6 weeks. We currently see around 55% within that time - it's an impossible target to reach without extra staffing, which we don't have the budget for. We can't provide some of the equipment needed to assist the patients to complete their exercises, or to provide some relief, and have to send them to the pharmacy or Boots to buy them due to budget constraints. The equipment we do have is cheap shit and stops working not long after the patients leave the department - again, budget! We don't treat patients to get them better or until they get better, we treat them until they are able to manage their condition themselves so we can discharge and get more new patients in.

I'm done. I'm going private where I can get adequate equipment, better support and work in an environment that's actually going to benefit and push my patients until they are better. It wasn't this bad when I started 3 years ago...

Think that's what they are counting on in the nhs with staff leaving. Especially with the new doctors contracts being forced through and the ridiculous demands and no extra staff or money. Biggest amount of doctors ever applying for work abroad and it doesn't surprise me.

Be better off going Oz, new Zealand or Canada mate. I would if my missus could at the minute. Like I said my old job I had to leave as it was becoming silly with expectations and the management were fucking useless  My trust I'm at now is boss. Well run, but the pressure's are still increasing more and more. We are well under way to a 2 tier health system.
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« Reply #422 on: September 7, 2016, 05:32:12 am »
Further to this and this from up above, more details emerge this morning here on the BBC.


Southern Health: New job for ex-boss Katrina Percy 'did not exist'

The chief executive who resigned as the head of a troubled mental health trust had a new £240,000-a-year job created for her, the BBC has learned.

Katrina Percy faced sustained calls to resign over Southern Health's failure to investigate hundreds of deaths.

The BBC has now discovered her new job did not exist previously and she was the only candidate for it.

Ms Percy faced months of criticism for the way her trust failed to investigate patient deaths.

In June, the trust accepted responsibility for the death of 18-year-old Connor Sparrowhawk, who drowned in a bath at Slade House in Oxford.

Ms Percy resigned last week but went straight into a new role at the trust on the same salary of £240,000 a year, including pension benefits.

Trust Chairman Tim Smart, who has been in his post for four months, said it did not advertise the role but that the work the job entails - giving strategic advice to GPs - "needed to be done", describing Ms Percy as "uniquely qualified".

Dr Maureen Rickman, whose sister died while in Southern Health's care, called the move "completely outrageous".

"She should be axed from Southern Health altogether, end of," she said.

"There shouldn't be a sideways move, that shouldn't be an option at all."

Southern Health said it had addressed the failings highlighted in a series of reports and that patients were now safe.

Mr Smart said: "I can unequivocally look you in the eye and say every member of staff that I have met who works on the front line is putting patient safety and the quality of care first."

The trust is currently being investigated by the Health and Safety Executive over the earlier deaths of patients.


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« Reply #423 on: September 8, 2016, 07:23:26 am »
Heard something similar about the execs at southport and that's why they are suspended. All rumour but apparently they took voluntary redundancy and got the money that come with it and as the job should no longer have existed they changed their job titles and come back in the role.  Only time will tell how true that is but heard that now off a few.
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« Reply #424 on: September 12, 2016, 08:34:46 am »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37331350

A seven-day NHS is "impossible" to achieve with the current funding and staffing levels, the chief executive of NHS Providers says.
Chris Hopson told the BBC's Andrew Marr programme that "something has to give" and there should be a debate about which services to sacrifice "rather than pretend the gap doesn't exist".
Figures show waiting times and delayed hospital discharges at record levels.
The government says it is giving NHS England the £10bn it asked for.
Health Secretary Jeremy C*nt has called for a "seven-day NHS" since 2015 after his department concluded that there was a "clear link between poorer outcomes for patients and uneven service provision at the weekend".
'Relative risk'
Introducing a seven-day NHS also formed part of the Conservative Party's manifesto, and its based on data which suggests that patients are 16% more likely to die if they are admitted on a Sunday compared with a Wednesday.
However, the reasons for this have been contested, and medical professionals agree that people who arrive in hospitals at weekends tend to be sicker than those who do so during the week.
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Media captionChief Executive of NHS providers Chris Hopson: NHS 'under greatest pressure in a generation'.
NHS Providers, the organisation that represents hospitals in England, says unless urgent funding is provided it will have to cut staff, bring in charges or introduce "draconian rationing" of treatment, for example, of non-urgent operations.
It highlights that 80% of England's acute hospitals are in financial deficit, compared with 5% three years ago - while missed A&E waiting time targets have risen from 10% to 90%.
Is enough being spent on the NHS?
NHS weekend: 7-day services explained
Seven-day NHS - claims and counter claims
Mr Hopson said the NHS was under the "greatest pressure that we've been for a generation".
He added: "Jeremy C*nt and others have made a very strong case for seven-day services, but it seems to us it's impossible on the current level of staff and the current money we have available."
Analysis
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By Nick Triggle, BBC health correspondent
On almost every measure, the last few years has seen a decline in performance in the NHS in England (although the rest of the UK is not immune to this either).
That should not come as a surprise. Overall the last five years has seen the tightest financial settlement in the history of the NHS.
To stem the decline, ministers agreed 2016-17 would see the biggest cash injection - nearly 4% above inflation - since the Labour years.
The jury is still out over whether that will have an impact. But even if it does the following years will see much smaller rises so the fear is any respite will only be short-term.
Yes there is a productivity drive, but it is the most ambitious one ever set. Most observers believe it would be amazing if it was achieved in full.
And that's before the seven-day initiative is even factored in.
So that leaves the government with three choices: Put more money in, accept a further decline in standards or cut back on what the NHS does. None of them are particularly palatable for the government.
Is enough being spent on the NHS?
Mr Hopson also said the numbers of hospitals in deficit, and the missed waiting times for A&E, showed there was "clearly a system-level problem - it's not a problem of poor management".
People on the front line in the NHS were saying that they "cannot provide the right quality of care, and meet the performance standards, on the money that's available".
Mr Hopson said he wanted to see the seven-day NHS idea abandoned, and more money put into the NHS through general taxation.
But he added that the NHS's chairs and chief executives were "absolutely signed up" to deliver "stretching savings targets, and stretching productivity".
NHS trusts end-of-year financial results chart
His warning comes days before the Commons Health Select Committee will decide whether to launch a special inquiry into the state of the NHS in England and two months before the government announces its spending plans in the Autumn Statement.
In July more than 50 hospitals in England were given the go-ahead to miss key waiting time targets this year to help ease their financial problems.
Fines for missing targets in A&E, cancer and routine operations have also been scrapped altogether and a new failure regime is being set up for the worst-performing trusts.
The Vale of York trust considered suspending non-urgent treatment for obese patients and smokers for a year in order to ease financial pressures before bosses intervened.
Home Secretary Amber Rudd rejected Mr Hopson's suggestion that a seven-day NHS was impossible to deliver.
"The health secretary and the government consulted with [NHS Chief Executive] Simon Stevens and asked him about what scale of money was necessary - we've delivered on that money," she told Andrew Marr.
UK funding
But Chris Ham, chief executive of the King's Fund think tank, said the government should heed "warning signs" and not wait for a "full scale crisis to develop".
He added: "It is simply not realistic to expect hard-pressed staff to deliver new commitments like seven-day services while also meeting waiting time targets and reducing financial deficits."
Diane Abbott MP, shadow health secretary, said: "Years of Tory underfunding of the NHS has made it is impossible to provide the right quality of service and meet performance targets.
"The government needs to properly fund the NHS if it is to function properly. This is what Labour would do."
In June, Northern Ireland Finance Minister Máirtín Ó Muilleoir said its health service was to receive an extra £72m to help deal with pressures in the service, bringing the total additional funding for health to £200m in 2016-17.
Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon announced in June that minimum staffing levels in Scotland's NHS are to be enshrined in law.
And Welsh Assembly Finance Minister Jane Hutt announced last December that the NHS would be getting a net boost of £278m under the Welsh government's spending plans for 2016-17.

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Johnathan Pie on the NHS

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Jonathan Pie is magnificent. Thank you for posting. I have shared it with my brother and his NHS colleagues.
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Jonathan Pie is magnificent. Thank you for posting. I have shared it with my brother and his NHS colleagues.
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« Reply #429 on: November 5, 2016, 05:32:24 pm »
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/three-merseyside-ae-departments-downgraded-12125264

A&E departments may be downgraded and hospitals merged in Merseyside, says leaked NHS report

And Liverpool Women's Hospital could relocate within five years

Merseyside A&E departments could be downgraded under a multi-million pound NHS shake-up, according to a leaked document.

Casualty opening hours at Southport, Whiston and Warrington hospitals could be slashed as health bosses in the region battle a £900m black hole.

A blueprint for the future of healthcare in Merseyside and Cheshire also says the Royal Liverpool and Aintree hospitals will merge into a single organisation in April 2018.

And Liverpool Women’s Hospital could relocate from Toxteth to the city centre within five years, according to the bombshell document.

The sustainability and transformation plan (STP), dated October 21, says the cost of healthcare is rising so quickly there will be a £908m shortfall in Cheshire and Merseyside over the next five years if changes are not made.

This is down from a previous estimate of £999m because of cuts that have already started.

Arrowe Park and the Countess of Chester hospitals also look set to work more closely together.

A leaked NHS email previously suggested the two hospitals could merge into a new super-site in Ellesmere Port.

Leaked email reveals Arrowe Park and Clatterbridge hospitals ‘could move to Ellesmere Port’
Although this radical plan is ruled out in the STP, there will be major changes to services on offer at the two hospitals.

A&E departments may be downgraded and hospitals merged in Merseyside, says leaked NHS report

And Liverpool Women's Hospital could relocate within five years

Merseyside A&E departments could be downgraded under a multi-million pound NHS shake-up, according to a leaked document.

Casualty opening hours at Southport, Whiston and Warrington hospitals could be slashed as health bosses in the region battle a £900m black hole.

A blueprint for the future of healthcare in Merseyside and Cheshire also says the Royal Liverpool and Aintree hospitals will merge into a single organisation

And Liverpool Women’s Hospital could relocate from Toxteth to the city centre within five years, according to the bombshell document.

The sustainability and transformation plan (STP), dated October 21, says the cost of healthcare is rising so quickly there will be a £908m shortfall in Cheshire and Merseyside over the next five years if changes are not made.

This is down from a previous estimate of £999m because of cuts that have already started.

Four Liverpool hospitals could merge as Merseyside NHS faces £1 BILLION black hole
Arrowe Park and the Countess of Chester hospitals also look set to work more closely together.


A leaked NHS email previously suggested the two hospitals could merge into a new super-site in Ellesmere Port.

Leaked email reveals Arrowe Park and Clatterbridge hospitals ‘could move to Ellesmere Port’
Although this radical plan is ruled out in the STP, there will be major changes to services on offer at the two hospitals.

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The most significant suggestions in the leaked report include...

Southport Hospital will “consider options for new models of A&E delivery”.
A&Es in Whiston and Warrington could “re-profile (their) opening hours with activity flowing to other 24/7 centres”.
There will be ward closures based on reductions in bed-blocking as care in the community is boosted.
The Royal and Aintree will undergo a “complete merger” in April 2018.
The “reconfiguration” of Liverpool Women’s Hospital will “implemented” by 2021. Its bosses want to move to a site next to the new Royal so experts and equipment can be shared between the two.
The NHS will then establish a “single organisation” incorporating the Royal, Aintree and the Women’s. This will lead to a “single trust to deliver the majority of adult acute services in the city”.
The Royal, Aintree and Liverpool Heart and Chest Hospital will share staff to create a “single, system-wide service”.
The NHS will create a “single service” between the Countess of Chester and Arrowe Park. One will become home to a high-dependency unit and the other will run a low-dependency unit in women’s and children’s services.
A leaked report previously revealed swingeing cuts are being planned to balance the books, with nine Liverpool hospital trusts expected to slash £167m over the next five years.

The Royal and Broadgreen must make £42.8m of savings between now and 2021 – more than £8m a year.

Mental health trust Mersey Care will also be hammered with £25.4m to be slashed from its books, followed by Aintree with £21.6m.

Liverpool Women’s, which previously warned it could become “financially unviable” due to funding problems, is expected to find £6m.
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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #430 on: November 7, 2016, 12:00:33 am »
I think I have finally reached that stage of accepting that the NHS is not going to last very long at all. It is barely a NHS right now, it is underfunded, it won't survive, vast sections of it is already in private hands.

This is such a textbook example of underfunding something, watch it struggle, watch people suffer and complain, sell it off to private hands to 'save it', people accept it because they are told to, NHS gone.

Played it to a fucking T.

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« Reply #431 on: November 11, 2016, 07:22:31 am »
Virgin Care wins £700m contract to run health services in Bath and North East Somerset

Virgin Care will be given a £700million contract to run NHS services in Bath and North East Somerset - the first time a for-profit firm will deliver a council's social care for adults.

B&NES councillors have just voted in favour of the deal, cementing a decision by health bosses earlier in the day (November 10) to let Virgin Care run community health and social care services in the district.

The deal will see Virgin Care run or oversee more than 200 health care and social care services in the area and marks the first time a council's core adult social work services will be delivered by a for-profit private firm.

The seven-year contract is thought to be the financially-largest deal the company has ever won from a single authority.

But it is understood Virgin Care would reinvest any profit.

Read more at http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/virgin-care-decision-made-by-bath-and-north-east-somerset-council/story-29885579-detail/story.html#EwlE1YueM3ouTx3b.99
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« Reply #432 on: November 11, 2016, 08:49:27 am »
How can a for-profit organisation ever be cheaper than a not-for-profit one?
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« Reply #433 on: November 11, 2016, 09:07:07 am »
How can a for-profit organisation ever be cheaper than a not-for-profit one?

The for-profit organisation structures the deal so that it's cheaper to begin with but the costs come in downstream. So in this case, the desperately cash-strapped NHS breathes a sigh of relief, gets through 2016-17 and crosses its fingers for the future.

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« Reply #434 on: November 11, 2016, 10:35:51 am »
They also do things like reduce the duration of appointment times, say from 30 minutes to 20 minutes, enabling more patients to be seen and "increasing efficiency". They get paid per patient so the more they see the more they get.

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NHS bosses 'trying to keep cuts secret'

NHS chiefs are trying to keep plans to cut hospital services in England secret, an investigation has found.

Full details of 44 reviews of services around the country - which involve closing some A&Es or, in one case, a whole hospital - are yet to emerge.

That is because NHS England told local managers to keep the plans "out of the public domain" and avoid requests for information, the King's Fund suggested.

Managers were even told how to reject freedom of information requests.

The approach has meant that the views of the public and frontline staff have largely been absent in the process so far, the think tank said.

The report did not include any details of cuts, but from the leaks and plans that have been published so far a picture is emerging of what is involved.

This includes:

Plans in south west London to close one of five hospitals - St George's, Kingston, Croydon, St Helier or Epsom

The North Tees proposal to centralise specialist services, including A&E, on two sites. It would lead to services being downgraded at one of the three major hospitals in the area
   
In Devon bosses are looking at whether to close some A&E, maternity and strike services at hospitals across the county so they can be centralised at bigger sites
   
In Merseyside there has been talk of merging four hospitals - the Royal Liverpool, Broadgreen, Aintree and Liverpool Women's - to plug a £1bn shortfall, according to leaked documents
   
Plans in Birmingham and Solihull involve reorganising maternity services with fears this could result in fewer units
   
Bosses at North Central London have talked about a consolidation of services on fewer sites, leading to fears that the Whittington Hospital could lose its A&E

During its research, King's Fund carried out interviews with staff involved in four of the reviews, known as sustainability and transformation plans (STPs). These were done on an anonymised basis.

The local managers said they had been told to keep the process "private and confidential", which one described as "ludicrous", while another said the leadership had made the "wrong judgement call" in its approach to managing the process.

Another person involved complained about being in meetings and wondering why there were no "real people", such as patients and members of the public, involved.

The King's Fund was told senior leaders at NHS England and NHS Improvement, which regulate NHS trusts, wanted to "manage" the narrative around the process, because of the sensitive nature of some of the changes.

Researchers said there were signs from the plans they had seen so far that services were being centralised at a smaller number of hospitals to make care safer and more efficient.

The King's Fund said such plans had the potential to improve patient care, but warned the process had increasingly become financially driven in recent months, which could be risky.

The think tank suggested there were "clearly anxieties" among ministers and the NHS leadership over the way the plans could be interpreted by the public.

But King's Fund chief executive Chris Ham said the process had gone against the established "rules" of good engagement and consultation.

He said the idea of reviewing local NHS services was still the "right thing to do", but questioned whether there was enough money and time to make a success of the shake-up.
What are STPs?

STPs stands for sustainability and transformation plans. They are aimed at overhauling NHS services and saving money.

Each area of the country has been asked to come up with its own plans and so local NHS managers have divided the country into 44 "footprints".

It is all part of NHS England's five-year strategy to release £22bn of efficiency savings by 2020. As health is devolved, the plans do not affect the rest of the UK.

The 44 areas started reviewing local services in early 2016 and and all have now submitted proposals to NHS England and NHS Improvement.

Consultations on major changes are expected to take place early next year, with implementation following soon after.

To date, a third of the 44 plans have been published, but in some cases that has relied on local councils releasing them against the wishes of NHS managers.

A spokesman for NHS England said that by the end of this week, plans for at least half of the reviews would be published - and the intention had always been to consult on the final plans if major changes were going to be made.

"I am sure there are things that could be learnt about the process. But when you are trying to improve care across a whole system, things are never going to be straightforward," added Prof Sir Bruce Keogh, NHS England's medical director.

However, Councillor Izzi Seccombe, of the Local Government Association, which represents councils, suggested the stance was a sham - as the public would in effect be consulted on "pre-determined solutions".

And Jeremy Taylor, of National Voices, which represents patients, said: "Developing plans behind closed doors, and presenting near-final proposals, does not count as meaningful involvement."

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« Reply #436 on: November 14, 2016, 05:06:37 pm »
The bit about The Whittington Hospital losing it's A&E isn't true according to our Chief Exec.

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« Reply #437 on: November 14, 2016, 05:10:40 pm »
Not about a sell off.

NHS send-to-all email causes turmoil

An email that was accidentally sent to all the NHS's staff in England has caused havoc.

One of the health system's employees fired off the message on Monday morning without realising they had copied in 840,000 of their co-workers.

The action quickly clogged up the system and was exacerbated by users hitting "reply all" to complain.

The distribution list was disabled at 10:00 GMT, but some users continue to have problems.

The secure email system is used by NHS staff and other approved organisations to discuss healthcare and related activities.

"It's driving me bananas," one doctor - who asked not to be identified - told the BBC.

"The thing is hundreds of people have been replying to all.

"My NHS email is very important to me because it's the only secure way I can send and receive anything safely about my patients.

"So, this is a major problem [and] potentially a risk to patients."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37979456
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« Reply #438 on: November 14, 2016, 05:12:53 pm »
Yep. This. This has done my fucking nut in all day! I'd deleted 210 messages from idiots replying to all saying 'please remove me', 'I think this is a mistake' and, genuinely '??' to the whole of the fucking NHS!!

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« Reply #439 on: November 15, 2016, 10:15:08 am »
Yep. This. This has done my fucking nut in all day! I'd deleted 210 messages from idiots replying to all saying 'please remove me', 'I think this is a mistake' and, genuinely '??' to the whole of the fucking NHS!!

Thankfully I'm not nhs.net and am nhs.co.uk.

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