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Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« on: December 14, 2023, 06:51:14 pm »
Following on from the various postings across several threads these past few weeks of certain payment cards no longer working on the LFC ticketing website, I thought it might perhaps be useful to establish which cards are failing.

We've seen Virgin Atlantic MasterCard now mentioned by me and two other posters.  Payments with this usually (but not always) require approval in the Virgin app, which could be something the software or payment intermediary is failing to handle.

What other cards are failing, and what two-factor authentication do they normally use?  Any other datapoints please?


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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2023, 07:01:18 pm »

Nationwide Visa requires app approval but no issues at all.

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2023, 07:39:04 pm »
Natwest Visa is hit and miss. Sometimes works with app authentication, sometimes fails. Sometimes doesn't ask for authentication at all! It's great fun wondering which it will be!
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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2023, 08:18:22 pm »
Not had any problems since I started using Monzo. Did have issues with Natwest debit card previously.

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2023, 09:26:48 pm »
Chase Mastercard normally requires 2 way verification.

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2023, 09:28:45 pm »
Been having issues with NatWest and Monzo. Only card I can get to work is a Barclay credit card.

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2023, 10:28:12 pm »
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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2023, 10:40:23 pm »
Nationwide Visa requires app approval but no issues at all.
It worked for me, then in the same bulk sale last week didnt, then when on phone to TO (same sale)  it did.
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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2023, 10:55:23 pm »
Not had any problems since I started using Monzo. Did have issues with Natwest debit card previously.

Monzo asks for app authorisation if you buy in a sale, however if it’s an autocup or local ballot payment it allows payment fine.
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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2023, 11:43:06 pm »
I tried to put my RBS card against my dad’s account for the local ballot last week and they wouldn’t take it, seems to work fine on my account though. Think they use the same systems as NatWest

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2023, 08:58:28 am »
Issues with Natwest debit and Capital One credit this morning

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2023, 11:05:59 am »
What other cards are failing, and what two-factor authentication do they normally use?  Any other datapoints please?
Date and time that the transaction failed might be important and whether or not the issuing bank authorised the payment.  It's a while since I worked in payments and that was mainly chip-and-pin so my knowledge may be out of date and/or irrelevant. On chip-and-pin transactions, there are time constraints and if they're not met then the transaction is rolled back. I can't rememer whether there were any timings in non chip-and-pin but with two-factor autentication I suspect that there are and delays at peak times might be relevant.
Someone reported a card not working on an interactive payment but being okay with the auto payment for cup games. That's understandable because they're two different processes - the former is a card-present interactive transaction, the latter is some sort of batch process where the card is not present. I've had the opposite problem when I registered a card in a name that was different to my season ticket (nothing sinister, just a maiden vs married name issue). On that occasion, I suspect that the batch auto payment process was performing some extra name checks. I've no idea why there should be a problem the other way round other than I expect the autocup payment does not involve a CVV check because I don't think it's supposed to be stored (happy to be corrected on that).
I understand the complaints about the lack of detailed error information to the end-user but there's a school of thought that, in secure transactions (payments, logins etc), this can be helpful to a scammer. So I'm not surprised that this happens but I'd expect the error information to be available somewhere in some logs. 

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2023, 11:14:14 am »
NatWest Mastercard debit failed this morning.

Barclaycard as backup worked thankfully.

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2023, 05:07:18 pm »
Natwest cards always fail.  Monzo is hit and miss but works when asked for app approval

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2023, 11:17:55 am »
mine's Natwest and never had an issue with payments.

I think LuverlyRita's point about the volume and timings might be at play. Natwest give you 8 minutes to receive and confirm the transaction if it triggers the app auth, if a part of that drops because a server is busy then it'll fail.

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2023, 09:09:19 am »
Natwest Debit that has always been used to buy loads of tickets failed 3 times this morning, had to use mates card in end

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2023, 09:24:12 am »
Is someone going to share this thread with the club?  Very good idea to being them all together, I was one of the original Virgin mastercard posters

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2023, 09:55:31 am »
Usually when I use Natwest Debit Card I have to do the verification thing and that is during busy Cup sales but this morning just declined never had that before, but I was buying for my nephew so I dont know if that affects it.  Sweating a bit on the Arsenal sale tomorrow morning now.

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2023, 10:49:22 am »
My ACS card is an Avios Barclaycard - hasn't failed yet. Think I used it for the bulk sales too. Used Monzo to pay yesterday for United and worked fine but did need an app approval.

I think LuverlyRita's point about the volume and timings might be at play. Natwest give you 8 minutes to receive and confirm the transaction if it triggers the app auth, if a part of that drops because a server is busy then it'll fail.

I think so too.
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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2023, 11:46:24 am »
Are we sure it's any specific banks, and not just the card system?

I have found in recent years, that if I use a saved card, then it often doesn't go through. However if I enter the card details as a new card (using the same card which is stored), then it goes through absolutely fine. So I always enter the full details each time, and not experienced any problems since doing that.

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2023, 11:47:32 am »
Virgin credit card failed twice in a row this morning, cancelled the transaction and still had the tickets in basket so used another card on (Santander debit).
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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2023, 11:57:52 am »
Virgin credit card failed twice in a row this morning, cancelled the transaction and still had the tickets in basket so used another card on (Santander debit).

Caused me a real issue with teh 13+ second half of season sale this - had planned to put on my Virgin credit card and had to pay with a debit, money I didn't really have available running up to Christmas

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2023, 11:59:26 am »
It definitely from the LFC end I think - The 2 Factor Authentication isn't prompting for those what need it

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2023, 12:00:08 pm »
It definitely from the LFC end I think - The 2 Factor Authentication isn't prompting for those what need it

It is yes. Their website isn't handling the request properly for whatever reason.

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2023, 12:07:53 pm »
I've had issues in the past using my Ulster Bank (part of NatWest) debit card. The club blamed the bank and the bank blamed the club each time.
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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2023, 12:25:28 pm »
Are we sure it's any specific banks, and not just the card system?

I have found in recent years, that if I use a saved card, then it often doesn't go through. However if I enter the card details as a new card (using the same card which is stored), then it goes through absolutely fine. So I always enter the full details each time, and not experienced any problems since doing that.


I've been typing in my bank details since last season when the saved cards started playing up, sometimes they work, sometimes they fail. Same cards every time.

It definitely from the LFC end I think - The 2 Factor Authentication isn't prompting for those what need it

I've had it fail after doing my app authentication as well on some sales.
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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2023, 01:01:22 pm »
It definitely from the LFC end I think - The 2 Factor Authentication isn't prompting for those what need it
Yeah it was so inconsistent on the ACS for me last year.. 1 game would work perfect, next game would fail and in the bulks, 1 minute it would go through with no authentication and then the next sale it needed to go through, would not work for 3/4 times
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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2023, 02:04:58 pm »
Is someone going to share this thread with the club?  Very good idea to being them all together, I was one of the original Virgin mastercard posters
OP here.   That was my plan.  I don't have much confidence in the online chat or SoS (born of experience).  I've attempted to short-circuit by alerting Phil Dutton to this thread, but he may miss or ignore my message.

There's a danger the Club will just assume this is a hangover from the problem they fixed a couple of months back, where first name was being blanked out on the webform, but it's not; this is a different situation.  It's entirely possible the fix to that one inadvertently caused this new problem, but, more likely I think is that there have been updates to industry standards on TFA that are not being handled by the payments system.  Whatever the cause, we need someone to own and resolve.

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2023, 05:59:25 pm »
I had an issue with Virgin Mastercard this morning

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2023, 09:21:52 am »
RBS this morning, took about 10 attempts to pay. First 5 or so immediately failed, then a few prompted me to approve in app but still failed, then finally it accepted my approval on my last attempt before it would’ve timed out.

This really needs sorting before the bulks.

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2023, 09:28:59 am »
RBS this morning, took about 10 attempts to pay. First 5 or so immediately failed, then a few prompted me to approve in app but still failed, then finally it accepted my approval on my last attempt before it would’ve timed out.

This really needs sorting before the bulks.

Weirdly, mine worked fine in the 13+ sale the other week when they were taking £800 off me ;D The following week it started failing again.
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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2023, 09:31:43 am »
Tesco credit card worked fine for United and Arsenal at home. Better work fine at 10am.
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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2023, 10:06:45 am »
And once again, Natwest debit fails twice, not even getting the app authorisation coming up now. Success first time with Tesco credit card.
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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2023, 10:33:57 am »
My virgin mastercard usually fails these days.  Other cards are hit and miss.  Nationwide sometimes works, sometimes doesn't.
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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2023, 01:53:16 pm »
And once again, Natwest debit fails twice, not even getting the app authorisation coming up now. Success first time with Tesco credit card.

My Natwest debit failed 3 times even after succesfully authorising through the app and working succesfully a few days ago for West Ham ACS. My Natwest credit also failed twice.

But my Currensea debit card worked thankfully.

This was for the 10am Arsenal FA Cup tickets.

What on earth is going on??

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2023, 04:57:16 pm »
My virgin mastercard usually fails these days.  Other cards are hit and miss.  Nationwide sometimes works, sometimes doesn't.
Virgin cards do seem to be cropping up a lot. I think that "Virgin" is just the branding and the real issuing bank is The Clydesdale but the bank may not be relevant. Approval via an app or use of stored card information also seems to be causing a problem. This is all good stuff for the person who will ultimately be tasked with responsibility to sorting this out. Years ago when I was working in the electricity distribution sector, a fault report arrived from out in the field with just two words on it.... "It's broke". I'm not sure what was funnier - the fault report or the reaction of the chap tasked with sorting it out  ;D

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2023, 06:07:06 pm »
Natwest Debit failed again for Arsenal sale and I always manually put details in. That card has bought loads of tickets over the years

Had to use mates card again!!

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2023, 02:08:56 pm »
Just got another card for Arsenal away so tried to get a single just now with the usual NatWest debit card that has worked for years but has stopped working over the last few months...still works for the ACS though...

1st error message was the usual one but this time I tried again, then got the app approval request so approved it, then got this message :

Error occurred trying to collect payment. 'SystemError' response received from OPS:

That makes perfect sense  :butt

Clearly its my fault though, or the banks, definitely not LFC's as their system is top notch, and always has been.

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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2023, 02:24:39 pm »
Just got another card for Arsenal away so tried to get a single just now with the usual NatWest debit card that has worked for years but has stopped working over the last few months...still works for the ACS though...

1st error message was the usual one but this time I tried again, then got the app approval request so approved it, then got this message :

Error occurred trying to collect payment. 'SystemError' response received from OPS:

That makes perfect sense  :butt

Clearly its my fault though, or the banks, definitely not LFC's as their system is top notch, and always has been.



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Re: Which credit cards will no longer work for ticket sales?
« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2023, 03:49:45 pm »
Halifax worked fine for me yesterday for Arsenal and West Ham.
Not even 2 factor auth with bank's app.