Topic: Takumi Minamino

[Ratboy3G]

Is the lad fit and ready? Do I recall correctly that he missed the last few games injured or was he just "injured"?

Bad back I heard 😉

[PaulF]

There is a lad called Takumi
He's from the Rising Sun
And he'll be the ruin
Of many a ball boy
Like Dun-can Fer-guson.

Is your 2019 greatest hits nearly ready?
Will the lad want shirt 19 next season?

[Dim Glas]

Is the lad fit and ready? Do I recall correctly that he missed the last few games injured or was he just "injured"?

They only played 1 more game after they played Liverpool, it's winter break there now. And no, he didn't feature. (And neither did Haaland).

It was reported as a thigh problem, I'm guessing it isn't serious!

[Samie]

It was an "injury" not an injury.

[AmanShah21]

They only played 1 more game after they played Liverpool, it's winter break there now. And no, he didn't feature. (And neither did Haaland).

It was reported as a thigh problem, I'm guessing it isn't serious!

probably kept out in order to not jeopardize his transfer. Its a common theme. Could have been something we asked for.

[AmanShah21]

Given the ox situation. I think he may get some minutes sooner than expected, especially if he trains well, which by all accounts, he does. *Touch wood* it would be lovely if he gets a debut goal against the bitters to knock them out.

[Beninger]

Problem with Turning Japanese is that it’s a very racist song about someone who thinks they look Japanese when they narrow their eyes and bite their bottom lip while wanking.

So best not go there

The song I mean. Obviously nobody’s going to stop wanking.

Except for the fact that it wasn’t.

[PHIL.]

Given the ox situation. I think he may get some minutes sooner than expected, especially if he trains well, which by all accounts, he does. *Touch wood* it would be lovely if he gets a debut goal against the bitters to knock them out.

True. However, he's already in good form and ready to go so I think he would have been given minutes either way.

Better for him to ride the crest of this wave at this point in the season.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Bad back I heard 😉

Cup tied anyway isn't he ?

[Ghost Town]

Except for the fact that it wasn’t.

More info here: https://www.cracked.com/article_19454_5-famous-hidden-song-meanings-that-are-total-b.s..html

Thing is, the supposed ''real'' explanations for all those songs seem less likely then the ''myths''. I reckon there's definitely some pulling of plonkers going on somewhere

[vagabond]

Just for the awareness sake. For the past few weeks fans in certain parts of Asia, especially South Korea, have increasingly become wary that the so-called rising flags known to symbolize the Japanese imperialism and militarianism (much like Nazi's Hakenkreuz, imagine that being seen on any football pitch!) would be seen or promoted in Anfield without awareness of its implication.

And few days later, the official LFC website included an image of this flag. I know LFC can't be too heavily blamed for what is relatively unknown issue in the West, and not meaning to stir any political debate, I still thought this better be known especially around a global institution as Liverpool FC and they are more cautious in the near future, as just a day after they released what is viewed to some as a half-assed apology to fans, the official account yet "likes" a post with this flag on it again, causing much offence among Korean fans again.

"Meanwhile, on Saturday, Liverpool apologised to South Korean fans after using a thumbnail with the background of the Rising Sun flag to advertise a video, made available to members on the club's homepage, about the 1981 Intercontinental Cup final played between the club and Flamengo in Tokyo.

The old Japanese imperial flag is seen as a symbol of militarism and oppression in parts of Asia that suffered under Japanese occupation in the first half of the 20th century, especially in South Korea -- which was brutally colonised by its eastern neighbour from 1910 to 1945.

Yesterday we published an image on our channels that caused offence," Liverpool said in a statement that was visible only to those with South Korean IP addresses. "We took immediate action to rectify the error.

"We would like to apologise to anyone who may have been offended by the image."

As the apology was available to view only in South Korea, there have been calls by Korean fans for Liverpool to post the same statement on all their social media channels. The issue of the Rising Sun flag is still a source of tension in Japanese-Korean relations which has spread to the football pitch in the past.

In 2017, the Asian Football Confederation fined J.League club Kawasaki Frontale after the club's fans displayed the flag in a Champions League game at South Korea's Suwon Bluewings, referring to it as "a banner with a discriminatory symbol relating to national origin and political opinion."

Thanks for sharing, I hope the club is sensitive to this going forward.

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

Just for the awareness sake. For the past few weeks fans in certain parts of Asia, especially South Korea, have increasingly become wary that the so-called rising flags known to symbolize the Japanese imperialism and militarianism (much like Nazi's Hakenkreuz, imagine that being seen on any football pitch!) would be seen or promoted in Anfield without awareness of its implication.

And few days later, the official LFC website included an image of this flag. I know LFC can't be too heavily blamed for what is relatively unknown issue in the West, and not meaning to stir any political debate, I still thought this better be known especially around a global institution as Liverpool FC and they are more cautious in the near future, as just a day after they released what is viewed to some as a half-assed apology to fans, the official account yet "likes" a post with this flag on it again, causing much offence among Korean fans again.

"Meanwhile, on Saturday, Liverpool apologised to South Korean fans after using a thumbnail with the background of the Rising Sun flag to advertise a video, made available to members on the club's homepage, about the 1981 Intercontinental Cup final played between the club and Flamengo in Tokyo.

The old Japanese imperial flag is seen as a symbol of militarism and oppression in parts of Asia that suffered under Japanese occupation in the first half of the 20th century, especially in South Korea -- which was brutally colonised by its eastern neighbour from 1910 to 1945.

Yesterday we published an image on our channels that caused offence," Liverpool said in a statement that was visible only to those with South Korean IP addresses. "We took immediate action to rectify the error.

"We would like to apologise to anyone who may have been offended by the image."

As the apology was available to view only in South Korea, there have been calls by Korean fans for Liverpool to post the same statement on all their social media channels. The issue of the Rising Sun flag is still a source of tension in Japanese-Korean relations which has spread to the football pitch in the past.

In 2017, the Asian Football Confederation fined J.League club Kawasaki Frontale after the club's fans displayed the flag in a Champions League game at South Korea's Suwon Bluewings, referring to it as "a banner with a discriminatory symbol relating to national origin and political opinion."

Hmmm the Japanese flag itself is an insult for the koreans? That's quite dumb if you ask me.

[Trump's tiny tiny hands]

The rising sun flag is quite different to the Japanese flag

[Beninger]

Hmmm the Japanese flag itself is an insult for the koreans? That's quite dumb if you ask me.

Just the rising sun

[Ghost Town]

Hmmm the Japanese flag itself is an insult for the koreans? That's quite dumb if you ask me.

Not the modern Japanese flag, the old Imperial Rising Sun. Perhaps learn some facts before calling people dumb?

[Kenny's Jacket]

Hmmm the Japanese flag itself is an insult for the koreans? That's quite dumb if you ask me.

Do you know what irony means?

[Rush 82]

Not the modern Japanese flag, the old Imperial Rising Sun.

Live and learn eh!

Had no idea that there was an old and new one - only know the red disc one.

Also had no idea that there was still enmity between S Korea and Japan.

[Rush 82]

Just for the awareness sake. For the past few weeks fans in certain parts of Asia, especially South Korea, have increasingly become wary that the so-called rising flags known to symbolize the Japanese imperialism and militarianism (much like Nazi's Hakenkreuz, imagine that being seen on any football pitch!) would be seen or promoted in Anfield without awareness of its implication.

And few days later, the official LFC website included an image of this flag. I know LFC can't be too heavily blamed for what is relatively unknown issue in the West, and not meaning to stir any political debate, I still thought this better be known especially around a global institution as Liverpool FC and they are more cautious in the near future, as just a day after they released what is viewed to some as a half-assed apology to fans, the official account yet "likes" a post with this flag on it again, causing much offence among Korean fans again.

"Meanwhile, on Saturday, Liverpool apologised to South Korean fans after using a thumbnail with the background of the Rising Sun flag to advertise a video, made available to members on the club's homepage, about the 1981 Intercontinental Cup final played between the club and Flamengo in Tokyo.

The old Japanese imperial flag is seen as a symbol of militarism and oppression in parts of Asia that suffered under Japanese occupation in the first half of the 20th century, especially in South Korea -- which was brutally colonised by its eastern neighbour from 1910 to 1945.

Yesterday we published an image on our channels that caused offence," Liverpool said in a statement that was visible only to those with South Korean IP addresses. "We took immediate action to rectify the error.

"We would like to apologise to anyone who may have been offended by the image."

As the apology was available to view only in South Korea, there have been calls by Korean fans for Liverpool to post the same statement on all their social media channels. The issue of the Rising Sun flag is still a source of tension in Japanese-Korean relations which has spread to the football pitch in the past.

In 2017, the Asian Football Confederation fined J.League club Kawasaki Frontale after the club's fans displayed the flag in a Champions League game at South Korea's Suwon Bluewings, referring to it as "a banner with a discriminatory symbol relating to national origin and political opinion."

Thanks for sharing.

Any idea why the rising sun would even be used anywhere if it's no longer the official flag?

I can empathise - there are similar reactions here to the old South African flag too

[J-Mc-]

Thanks for sharing.

Any idea why the rising sun would even be used anywhere if it's no longer the official flag?

I can empathise - there are similar reactions here to the old South African flag too

Just a quick google of 'Japanese Flag' and it's the 4th picture on the image search and comes up as a suggested option on the main search page.

Could just have been a case of someone using it and not knowing the connotations until made aware, pretty easy mistake to make, I'd have done the same before being educated with the above post.

[The 1989 Brit Awards]

yeah the imperial japanese flag is a tremendously sensitive topic in pretty much every asian country that suffered from Japanese occupation. But it's also a not very well known topic in the west, so I can understand how whoever IT/PR guy that did it fucked up. Good that the club apologized.

In any case, nicked this off a youtube comment for a song:


"Gini, Mina, Mane, Mo
Hendo, Milly, Firmino
Matip, Virgil, Trent, Robbo
Gomez, Alli, on we go!"

[ErieRed]

Live and learn eh!

Had no idea that there was an old and new one - only know the red disc one.

Also had no idea that there was still enmity between S Korea and Japan.

When I was teaching in Korea in 1996 a college student told me that he couldn't wait to reunite with North Korea.  When asked why, he said, "Because then we'll have the largest army in Asia and we can make Japan apologize!!

[number 168]

Except for the fact that it wasn’t.

Quite right it's about love and angst. I expect we will have lots of the former and none of the latter.

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

Live and learn eh!

Had no idea that there was an old and new one - only know the red disc one.

Also had no idea that there was still enmity between S Korea and Japan.

Same here.

[Roger Federer]

Live and learn eh!

Had no idea that there was an old and new one - only know the red disc one.

Also had no idea that there was still enmity between S Korea and Japan.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2018/11/12/countries-views-of-japan-abe-japanese-views-of-china/ It’s still there.

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

Not the modern Japanese flag, the old Imperial Rising Sun. Perhaps learn some facts before calling people dumb?

I just learned that in this very thread.

[Redsnappa]

Then



Now

[royhendo]

Ta re the flag.

Is it OK to note it and move on?

[newterp]

Ta re the flag.

Is it OK to note it and move on?

[red_bird]

Just for the awareness sake. For the past few weeks fans in certain parts of Asia, especially South Korea, have increasingly become wary that the so-called rising flags known to symbolize the Japanese imperialism and militarianism (much like Nazi's Hakenkreuz, imagine that being seen on any football pitch!) would be seen or promoted in Anfield without awareness of its implication.

And few days later, the official LFC website included an image of this flag. I know LFC can't be too heavily blamed for what is relatively unknown issue in the West, and not meaning to stir any political debate, I still thought this better be known especially around a global institution as Liverpool FC and they are more cautious in the near future, as just a day after they released what is viewed to some as a half-assed apology to fans, the official account yet "likes" a post with this flag on it again, causing much offence among Korean fans again.

"Meanwhile, on Saturday, Liverpool apologised to South Korean fans after using a thumbnail with the background of the Rising Sun flag to advertise a video, made available to members on the club's homepage, about the 1981 Intercontinental Cup final played between the club and Flamengo in Tokyo.

The old Japanese imperial flag is seen as a symbol of militarism and oppression in parts of Asia that suffered under Japanese occupation in the first half of the 20th century, especially in South Korea -- which was brutally colonised by its eastern neighbour from 1910 to 1945.

Yesterday we published an image on our channels that caused offence," Liverpool said in a statement that was visible only to those with South Korean IP addresses. "We took immediate action to rectify the error.

"We would like to apologise to anyone who may have been offended by the image."

As the apology was available to view only in South Korea, there have been calls by Korean fans for Liverpool to post the same statement on all their social media channels. The issue of the Rising Sun flag is still a source of tension in Japanese-Korean relations which has spread to the football pitch in the past.

In 2017, the Asian Football Confederation fined J.League club Kawasaki Frontale after the club's fans displayed the flag in a Champions League game at South Korea's Suwon Bluewings, referring to it as "a banner with a discriminatory symbol relating to national origin and political opinion."

it's a very good and thoughtful message, nicely and carefully put together and after thoroughly research.
Being a chinese, i can't speak on behalf of every chinese liverpool fan, and not trying to make this issue over-political, but for the majorities this would be an obvious issue if someone displays such flag in public, as it is viewed as a symbol of the Japanese militarism under normal circumstance.
Also because of the sensitive nature, i doubt we would see this happening often though.

[PaulF]

Ta re the flag.

Is it OK to note it and move on?

2000 word essay on your cultural insensitivity, then we move on.

[stoopid yank]

Live and learn eh!

Had no idea that there was an old and new one - only know the red disc one.

Also had no idea that there was still enmity between S Korea and Japan.

Japan occupied Korea for 35, that's right, 35 years, 1910-1945. During that time they raped, murdered and pillaged; you know standard imperial/colonial type stuff. And at present the Japanese government and culture doesn't really own up to it. Mainly older Koreans are still understandably upset.

Funny enough, the rising sun flag is also upsetting to ww2 generation Americans, particularly those who served in the pacific. Personally, it doesn't bother me, but I didn't have to do the Bataan death march and watch my buddies get their heads chopped off with samurai swords, so I can understand.  History is a funny thing.

[Dr. Beaker]

Well it's not like that in Europe is it, we've forgotten all about that war stuff and live together in a big family that guarantees our peace and security and economic wellbeing.

[Ghost Town]

Ta re the flag.

Is it OK to note it and move on?

Vexatious vexillology can be vexing 

Back to our new godzilla, and the monster of a season he's gonna have

[stoopid yank]

Back to our new godzilla, and the monster of a season he's gonna have

Absolutely. Was laughing when a pundit on NBC was saying this was the type of signing Southampton would do and then sell on to us in 2 years for 50 million+ . So we have cut out the middleman! Condolences to Southhampton...

[Ghost Town]

Absolutely. Was laughing when a pundit on NBC was saying this was the type of signing Southampton would do and then sell on to us in 2 years for 50 million+ . So we have cut out the middleman! Condolences to Southhampton...

Ha yes, sorry Saints, we've decided to shop wholesale this time

[rob1966]

Didn't know that. TBF on his day he was a real handful

Yeah, he battered Carra at St Marys and scored too.

[rob1966]

it's a very good and thoughtful message, nicely and carefully put together and after thoroughly research.
Being a chinese, i can't speak on behalf of every chinese liverpool fan, and not trying to make this issue over-political, but for the majorities this would be an obvious issue if someone displays such flag in public, as it is viewed as a symbol of the Japanese militarism under normal circumstance.
Also because of the sensitive nature, i doubt we would see this happening often though.

The Japanese are really into the Cherry Blossoms and I believe China and Korea amongst others also celebrate them. Would banners with blossoms on be seen as quite neutral?

[Dr. Beaker]

Why don't we sacrifice a fucking big whale before every game.

[Dave Mc]

2000 word essay on your cultural insensitivity, then we move on.

Yeah, it's in the past. If they still used it would be like Britain still using the Union Jack. Could you imagine?

[Crosby Nick]

Why don't we sacrifice a fucking big whale before every game.

How do we trick Charlie Adam into being welcome back at Anfield though?