Topic: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article

[peachybum]

Just a quick question. If we had our two spare games and won them and were 6th in the league and 5 points behind 4th, would there still be the same level of hatred? Are people more angry at the man or at the performances.
Ok, if your angry at the man himself, what if (VERY big if!) we were top of the league yet he was still digging himself a hole every interview with regards the relationship with the fans? Would people see it as a necessary evil?

I don't care about 'results' i want Roy out because of his style of play and his personality! I pay my money and i want to be entertained. Win or loose i'll support the club til the day i die i'd just like to enjoy doing it. Playing defensive direct football may win you a league(ask George Graham and his 'boring boring' Arsenal team) but i don't want to go to Anfield and watch 1-0 snoozefests every week.

Of course i want success but i want it with modern attacking football. Maybe thats asking to much? It sad to say but i look on with jealousy at the football the likes of Arsenal, Barca, Real, Dortmund etc play(even Blackpool this season!).

Thats why i'd back Klopp, Laudrup or Rangnick being appointed even though they haven't won many trophies. I want a thrill ride not a nap.

[Dubit10]

Just a quick question. If we had our two spare games and won them and were 6th in the league and 5 points behind 4th, would there still be the same level of hatred? Are people more angry at the man or at the performances.
Ok, if your angry at the man himself, what if (VERY big if!) we were top of the league yet he was still digging himself a hole every interview with regards the relationship with the fans? Would people see it as a necessary evil?

Don't care. Get him out.

[RBrittain]

not in a million years of that happening i'm afraid.

Obviously!

[montysmum]

I think some of the anger might ease, but the overall wish to have him replaced wouldn't.

[TALBERT]

Don't think we should go for

Owen Coyle or Roberto Di Matteo (West Brom have slid from 4th to 16th)

We need a been there done that Manager a:

Rafa Benitez
Didier Deschamps
Guus Hiddink
Louis van Gaal


all have won/reached champions league finals

Roy, Owen and Roberto have not

If we want Europe lets get a manager who knows the best players and has been there got the t shirt and won the cup.....

tempted by André Villas Boas because of this

FC Porto 27   24   3   0   65   14   88.89

He basically has a 90% win percentage with porto

[Higgins79]

still here then? joke.

[Red_Isle_Chap]

I don't care about 'results' i want Roy out because of his style of play and his personality! I pay my money and i want to be entertained. Win or loose i'll support the club til the day i die i'd just like to enjoy doing it. Playing defensive direct football may win you a league(ask George Graham and his 'boring boring' Arsenal team) but i don't want to go to Anfield and watch 1-0 snoozefests every week.

Of course i want success but i want it with modern attacking football. Maybe thats asking to much? It sad to say but i look on with jealousy at the football the likes of Arsenal, Barca, Real, Dortmund etc play(even Blackpool this season!).

Thats why i'd back Klopp, Laudrup or Rangnick being appointed even though they haven't won many trophies. I want a thrill ride not a nap.

Then you want kevin Keegan mate. You want to be entertained? It's not the ballet. I'd happily take 1-0 to us every game from now until the end of the season.

The reason that roy has to go is that he's an utter, utter idiot. He's tactially clueless and has put himself before both the club and the team with his press conferences. He's already set up all the excuses with his mates in the press for when he rightly get the sack. "No backing from the board or supporters and such a shit squad that i inherited. And those bastards yanks then sacked me, a man with 35 years as a top coach, recognised as a top coach around europe. Here, look at my LMA award"

Football is a results business for the most part, and i'd take winning anything with a ton of 1-0's rather than being in a relegation dogfight right now. If you're looking for entertainment then I suggest your looking for it in the wrong place. Yes we all want to see attacking, free flowing football, but i'd much rather just have the results right now.

The dislike and hatred for Hodgson would be less if we were hypothetically top of the league, of course it would, because that triggers off a completely different universe. He's not having to defend all the losses and idiotic decision constantly and making himself look a complete moron. Hypothetically if we were top of the league i'd say we'd have to have beaten at least the mancs, everton, stoke, blackpool and wolves to be up there and everything would be a lot roseier.

But that's just something from the happy magicland of imagination isn't it. It's not reality. What we've got is shit results, coupled with shit football from the 70's and a manager who blames literally everyone but himself in order that he and his LMA award come out all nice and clean.

Don't deal in hypothetical shit, deal with the hear and now, and the hear and now is shit.

[Gnurglan]

Just a quick question. If we had our two spare games and won them and were 6th in the league and 5 points behind 4th, would there still be the same level of hatred? Are people more angry at the man or at the performances.
Ok, if your angry at the man himself, what if (VERY big if!) we were top of the league yet he was still digging himself a hole every interview with regards the relationship with the fans? Would people see it as a necessary evil?

He needs to go. Even if we were to get a few positive results, he's not the long term solution.

[petrichor]

still here then? joke.

means possibly the new owners are surrounded by pro roy sympathizers with their own agendas in keeping him as long as possible

[GreatEx]

Can someone point to the Dion Fanning article in this thread? Or better, edit the OP to include it? Cheers

[peachybum]

Then you want kevin Keegan mate. You want to be entertained? It's not the ballet. I'd happily take 1-0 to us every game from now until the end of the season.

I think we can aim a little higher than someone like Keegan. There's plenty of inteliigent educated modern attach minded coaches around europe. All of which have been mentioned plenty of time. Attacking football doesn't have to be mindless!(Keegan style)

Why can't i expect Liverpool to entertain me? Barcelona fans expect their teams to play a certain way, why can't we? When you're a club like Liverpool you should always aspire to something greater than just winning, thats part of being a great club. If we loose that aspiration then we're fucked. Hell if we're only interested in results lets sack Roy and get Fat Sam or O'Neill!

[chris18lfc]

Can someone point to the Dion Fanning article in this thread? Or better, edit the OP to include it? Cheers

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/grumbling-on-towards-an-inevitable-conclusion-2480857.html

[shelovesyou]

As soon as the takeover was complete it was always a matter of time before Roy went.
He is the caretaker manager.

[AlphaDelta]

Another day, more countless hours checking on the net, here, waiting for the yellow ticker-tape to announce "Breaking News, Roy..."
But no, he's still here, and all is quiet from across the pond.

We all know NESV are going to P45 him, but I fear for the games coming up this month - if them bastards across the park do the double on us you realise we wont hear the last of it?

What happened to Kenny coming in as caretaker?

I do admire NESV for trying to recruit a suitable replacement, but for gods sake, hurry up will you!

[Alan_X]

I don't get it...why was the thread I just created deleted without a trace? You could have at least closed it for no further discussion but at least let others read the points. Do you not want people to rally around the idea of having Rafa back? Is that the agenda here?

Get a grip lad. You've been here for five minutes.

Oh and what kind of an idiot put's there location as "The Sun" on a Liverpool website?

Twat. Have a week off posting to see how the site works.

[Carlito Roberto]

If we lose against Blackburn do people think he'll still be in charge when we go to Utd on Sunday?

[Red_Isle_Chap]

I think we can aim a little higher than someone like Keegan. There's plenty of inteliigent educated modern attach minded coaches around europe. All of which have been mentioned plenty of time. Attacking football doesn't have to be mindless!(Keegan style)

Why can't i expect Liverpool to entertain me? Barcelona fans expect their teams to play a certain way, why can't we? When you're a club like Liverpool you should always aspire to something greater than just winning, thats part of being a great club. If we loose that aspiration then we're fucked. Hell if we're only interested in results lets sack Roy and get Fat Sam or O'Neill!

Sorry mate, but there's every chance that the managers your asking for, the ones who've never managed in the prem before, might take a slightly more cautious approach, especially in their first season. So if they're not entertaining you, what then?

Football isn't about entertainment of the masses, not even slightly. It's a sport, it's 11 on 11, that people pay to watch. When a team hits a veign of form it can be very entertaining, see the second half of 08/09 for us, barca at the moment, etc. But it's primarily a results driven business of chess. At the moment we've got someone who thinks we're playing tiddlywinks and not chess, which is exactly the same as the 2 other muppetts that you mention.

I'm all for a new manager, and the ones that you've mentioned in the earlier post, a lot of people seem to rate, i personally don't know them well enough to comment, but what I would like, first and foremost, is a return to good tactics, some attempts on goal and winning some games. If we have to do that under a new manager who gets us a bunch of boring 1-0's then alls fine with me. I really think that for us to get back to playing flowing, pass and move football, it's going to take at least 2 full seasons under a new coach to undo all the damage that's been done this season already to players confidence and tactical ability.

I'll i'm saying is that we'll have to be patient before we start seeing anything resembling the type of football that you (and lets be honest, all of us) want to see.

[spider-neil]

If we lose against Blackburn do people think he'll still be in charge when we go to Utd on Sunday?

I think roy will be here for the rest of the season.

[Mistawoss]

If we lose against Blackburn do people think he'll still be in charge when we go to Utd on Sunday?

If he leaves out Stevie & Torres I fully expect us to get beat by Blackburn tomorrow night. It's away from home - style of play and tactics are woeful. Best we can hope for is a draw although i expect us to lose. United at the weekend i reckon well get beat 2 or 3 nil. Hopefully he will be gone regardless, he isnt good enough.

[shelovesyou]

If we lose against Blackburn do people think he'll still be in charge when we go to Utd on Sunday?

He'll be here, no matter the results, until at least a new CEO is in place. Just my opinion.

[Alan_X]

Interestingly yesterday I asked for a thread with a poll where people could vote for the manager they'd like to replace Roy, I though it would be interesting and not specifically Pro-Rafa. Hell, we could even have an option in there to say "No, give Roy longer, he's doing sterling work".

Unable (or too stupid to be able) to create a poll ,I pm'd Vdm but he obviously didn't think much of the idea because he didn't reply. I can only think that somehow this breaks RAWK etiquette. It would have been nice if the mods let you know in a pm why they deleted your thread, you know, the human touch.

We bin an awful lot of threads and don't have the time or the inclination to personally PM everyone with the reasons.

My suggestion to any new users is to read first, then read again. Get a hang of the way the site works then start contributing to threads started by others. I don't think I actually start a thread for a year or more after I joined RAWK. I still don't start that many. There is often no desperate need to start threads - especially when there is almost always a thread already running.

You said you PM'd VdM... why didn't you use the Feedback and Questions thread?

[Alan_X]

Just a quick question. If we had our two spare games and won them and were 6th in the league and 5 points behind 4th, would there still be the same level of hatred? Are people more angry at the man or at the performances.
Ok, if your angry at the man himself, what if (VERY big if!) we were top of the league yet he was still digging himself a hole every interview with regards the relationship with the fans? Would people see it as a necessary evil?

What two games in hand? We have one game in hand on the places we should be aiming at (top four) and the chance of being on top is fairly remote as United are 19 points ahead of us.

[MPowerYNWA]

Does anybody think that if we lose tomorrow hodgson will be sacked?

I'm thinking that even if we lose tomorrow, he'll at least be given the united game to see through, before being asked to step down?

[Gainsbarre]

We need a been there done that Manager a:

Rafa Benitez
Didier Deschamps
Guus Hiddink
Louis van Gaal

tempted by André Villas Boas

 ... me too... has class... but is he ready for club like Liverpool?

[Adeemo]

Does anybody think that if we lose tomorrow hodgson will be sacked?

Probably not.

[Groundskeeper Willie]

Thank you for all the insightful responses to my post.

[bleedsred1978]

means possibly the new owners are surrounded by pro roy sympathizers with their own agendas in keeping him as long as possible

Or that they are taking their good time to make the right decision.

[peachybum]

Does anybody think that if we lose tomorrow hodgson will be sacked?

I'm thinking that even if we lose tomorrow, he'll at least be given the united game to see through, before being asked to step down?

Given the amount of games we've got in the next 20 days or so i think he'll be given to the end of that run at least if not until the end of the season.

[The 5th Benitle]

Judging by his remarks about there being 'hostility in the room' at his last public audience, maybe the Hodge has tired of the relentless character assassination by the media and has flounced off like Scarlett O'Hara in a stadium coat. 

Hmm. I'm disturbed. You're a Manc, but you get it and I like you. Disturbed, I say again. I'm watching you.

[The 5th Benitle]

Interestingly yesterday I asked for a thread with a poll where people could vote for the manager they'd like to replace Roy, I though it would be interesting and not specifically Pro-Rafa. Hell, we could even have an option in there to say "No, give Roy longer, he's doing sterling work".

Unable (or too stupid to be able) to create a poll ,I pm'd Vdm but he obviously didn't think much of the idea because he didn't reply. I can only think that somehow this breaks RAWK etiquette. It would have been nice if the mods let you know in a pm why they deleted your thread, you know, the human touch.

We don't welcome Polls on here. They come over here, take our jobs, sleep with our women and drink our beer.

[theCanadian]

Quick question, what would peoples thoughts be if the majority of the team came out and openly supported Roy. If they said they believe in what he's been coaching them and its them that's been fucking it up?

Wouldn't give a fuck to be honest if it were the majority.

It would have to be something incredible like the WHOLE team coming out, each anonymously.

The players aren't necessarily intelligent people, and could have skewed/irrelevant perspectives about what they like in a manager.

The results on the pitch are what matters.

[Matts]

Right now, I think we have till the end of the season, FSG had the perfect opportunity to get rid last week and didnt take it. It's getting to the point where I'm running out of energy, H&G drained a lot out of us and this is just the final straw I say. I'm tired....

[Jensen]

Hmm. I'm disturbed. You're a Manc, but you get it and I like you. Disturbed, I say again. I'm watching you.

To be honest, mate, as much as I've great respect for Red legends like Shankly, Dalglish (and other LFC players and managers), I'm one of those rubbish fans who finds it hard to really hate United's rivals. I'm probably wrong in my thinking but hating one's rivals doesn't equal truly supporting my team (to me, at least). I think it's far more important to get behind your team than it is to prove loyalty by mindlessly disliking rivals. Besides, no matter what revisionists tell us, Liverpool is a great, important club.

[robbie96]

Honestly, beginning to think we won't get a new manager this season....

the powers that be will just "wait the supporters out" - the media campaign to keep Hodgson "to give him another chance" will rumble on .... names will be linked but, nothing will happen....

The mini-protest with people not "turning out" at Anfield won't continue, after we win a few matches....and Stevie, Carra and Cole come out in support of the current manager ....

Media outlets and pundits all agree, LFC won't be relegated, which is the owners only real fear imo. 

[The 5th Benitle]

To be honest, mate, as much as I've great respect for Red legends like Shankly, Dalglish (and other LFC players and managers), I'm one of those rubbish fans who finds it hard to really hate United's rivals. I'm probably wrong in my thinking but hating one's rivals doesn't equal truly supporting my team (to me, at least). I think it's far more important to get behind your team than it is to prove loyalty by mindlessly disliking rivals. Besides, no matter what revisionists tell us, Liverpool is a great, important club.

Good stuff mate. As Andy@Allerton said the other day, the two clubs are more similar than people would like to think.


Still hate yerz mind

[bam09]

Honestly, beginning to think we won't get a new manager this season....

the powers that be will just "wait the supporters out" - the media campaign to keep Hodgson "to give him another chance" will rumble on .... names will be linked but, nothing will happen....

The mini-protest with people not "turning out" at Anfield won't continue, after we win a few matches....and Stevie, Carra and Cole come out in support of the current manager ....

Media outlets and pundits all agree, LFC won't be relegated, which is the owners only real fear imo. 

Have a feeling your right. I get the vibe that they will wait until the summer and explore all managerial candidates and actually have a decent shot at most of them, as opposed to now where any manager in a title chase will instantly say no. I can live with that, if we get a top manager in the summer, and not one of the ones already available(since that defeats the purpose of waiting) or a lower end manager.

[Jensen]

Still hate yerz mind

Feel free!  I idolised Keegan when I was a kid; I'm Welsh so Rushie, Toshack and co were always heroes; and Aldo & Tommy Tynan led my local team (Newport County) to promotion; so I'm not really one of the enemy. 

[drpepe]

If we win every single game left this season, we'd probably win the league with 82 points. And the FA Cup.

I'd keep him in that case.

i would be more than happy for him to stay if he pulled that one off.... 

i certainly could live with face rubs and odd press conferences and even paul konchesky if the manager was winning us titles .... who wouldnt? 

[Marg22]

We don't welcome Polls on here. They come over here, take our jobs, sleep with our women and drink our beer.

            

[Gus 1855]

Feel free!  I idolised Keegan when I was a kid; I'm Welsh so Rushie, Toshack and co were always heroes; and Aldo & Tommy Tynan led my local team (Newport County) to promotion; so I'm not really one of the enemy. 

Stop talking sense, it feels wrong and is making me queasy!