Topic: Merseyrail - now with added 777

[courty61]

That's a pity, I know one of the overhead railway carriages is in the Museum of Liverpool but as a kid I remember the (world) Museum also had a number of trains on display but have no idea if any of them are still there since the museum was updated. Doesn't seem to be an accessible area anymore.

Yeah I used to love that as a kid. Shame they moved it

[rob1966]

New series of Great British Railway Journeys just started on BBC2, Portillo is starting in Liverpool in this episode.

[jillcwhomever]

So is the old stock not being used anymore? It's the first time this week I have been on the new trains to and from work this week.

[Oh Campione]

So is the old stock not being used anymore? It's the first time this week I have been on the new trains to and from work this week.

I was on an old 6 car on the Hunts Cross line this morning and yesterday - getting rarer but still running at the moment

[jillcwhomever]

I was on an old 6 car on the Hunts Cross line this morning and yesterday - getting rarer but still running at the moment

On my way home and we're on an older one as well.

[Red Beret]

A thought just popped into my head. Labour has said its rail nationalisation plans won't include buying up existing rolling stock. But Merseyrail own the 777s outright, whereas the 507s and 508s were leased.

Does that mean when a Labour government takes control of the Merseyrail franchise, these will be the only trains owned by the government?

[gazzalfc]

A thought just popped into my head. Labour has said its rail nationalisation plans won't include buying up existing rolling stock. But Merseyrail own the 777s outright, whereas the 507s and 508s were leased.

Does that mean when a Labour government takes control of the Merseyrail franchise, these will be the only trains owned by the government?

So as far as I know Merseytravel which is run by the council own the new trains and not Merseyrail. Merseyrail (owned by Serco-Abellio) run the service. Once under a labour government they will move to Great British Rail

[Red Beret]

So as far as I know Merseytravel which is run by the council own the new trains and not Merseyrail. Merseyrail (owned by Serco-Abellio) run the service. Once under a labour government they will move to Great British Rail

Thanks for clarifying. It seems Merseyrail will be the easiest part of the network to take control of.

[John_P]

https://www.merseytravel.gov.uk/news/stunning-new-images-of-planned-%C2%A3100m-liverpool-baltic-station-revealed/

They've unveiled CGI plans for Baltic Station ahead of the public consultation.

Actually noticed the other weekend some of the platforms between Hunts Cross and Brunswick have had new network maps put up with Liverpool Baltic on the map but covered up.

[gazzalfc]

I get the train from Brunswick and I know what that patch of tunnel looks like. It's going to be so hard to get a station there.

Also knowing how little value merseyrail gives to Central to Hunts Cross line, there is no way they get it done in a competent way.

[Red Beret]

I get the train from Brunswick and I know what that patch of tunnel looks like. It's going to be so hard to get a station there.

Also knowing how little value merseyrail gives to Central to Hunts Cross line, there is no way they get it done in a competent way.

It's on the site of a previous station. Compared to building Conway Park it should be a piece of piss really. They had to dig down 40 feet and remove a chunk of the tunnel to build that.

[CornerFlag]

It's on the site of a previous station. Compared to building Conway Park it should be a piece of piss really. They had to dig down 40 feet and remove a chunk of the tunnel to build that.

I remember it being a straight run from Birkenhead Park through to Hamilton Square back in the day, Conway Park is a damn good bit of engineering (and those 99 stairs are a good walk too!).  Also remember the old Birkenhead Park layout as well with three (?) platforms.

[gazzalfc]

I know Steve Rotheram needs that big pot of cash from the government but there is no way he can deliver this on the footprint that is Liverpool central

[Oh Campione]

I know Steve Rotheram needs that big pot of cash from the government but there is no way he can deliver this on the footprint that is Liverpool central

Don't believe it will happen but it will be funding as the main issue, not the footprint.  Central is suprisingly big if you look at the area on something like Google Earth

[John_P]

Think the most depressing thing from reading the article was them saying it would make journeys from Liverpool Central to Manchester Airport as short as 25 minutes. Thus making it easier and faster to get to that than the airport in Liverpool.

[CornerFlag]

So they want to rebuild a Central High Level station again?

[courty61]

Think the most depressing thing from reading the article was them saying it would make journeys from Liverpool Central to Manchester Airport as short as 25 minutes. Thus making it easier and faster to get to that than the airport in Liverpool.

How would that work? Linked to the main line at Lime St?

[rob1966]

Think the most depressing thing from reading the article was them saying it would make journeys from Liverpool Central to Manchester Airport as short as 25 minutes. Thus making it easier and faster to get to that than the airport in Liverpool.

Speke just doesn't have the space to expand, its always going to be one runway and have a finite number of flights it can handle, so having better links to Manc airport can actually benefit the city. Liverpool is by far the better airport, so people aren't going to stop using flights out of there just because the train now goes to Manc. People can stay overnight in the hotels if they want then get the train, people on Merseyside and the Wirral can travel into and then out of central, rather than having to get transfers or drive to Manc, it should bring benefits.

[John_P]

How would that work? Linked to the main line at Lime St?

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/stunning-images-show-massive-plans-29217329

Here's the article from the echo about the plans.

Speke just doesn't have the space to expand, its always going to be one runway and have a finite number of flights it can handle, so having better links to Manc airport can actually benefit the city. Liverpool is by far the better airport, so people aren't going to stop using flights out of there just because the train now goes to Manc. People can stay overnight in the hotels if they want then get the train, people on Merseyside and the Wirral can travel into and then out of central, rather than having to get transfers or drive to Manc, it should bring benefits.

It's more the fact you fly into/out of Liverpool and your stuck using bus  (or expensive taxis) to get to your destination. Suppose it wouldn't be too bad if they just stopped at the airport and then Liverpool South Parkway but non of them do that. So if this plan happens you can get a 25 minute train from Central to Manchester Airport, but from Central it's about 15 minutes to South Parkway and then the wait for a bus to show up.