Topic: Chelsea - schooled by Liverpool's kids

[Jwils21]

And if Liverpool approach the Chelsea spending for one transfer, we get the BBC article asking is Klopp a hypocrite because in 2016 he said he would never buy players for 100m. But Chelsea and City inflating prices in those seven years - well, who cares about that.

Yeah but Andy Carroll cost £35m so Loserfool are still the banter club. Ratio.

[God's Left Peg]

It's the UK. Just show them the money then you can do whatever you want.

That's not just the UK, that's the fucking world

[clinical]

Looking likely to be £250m over premier league sustainability rules apparently

Assuming they sell Gallagher, Broja etc.

If not it's much worse.

[KillieRed]

Liverpool/FSG should announce that they’re just gonna play by the same rules as the Oil Teams. See if that gets any reaction. All bets are off.

[Elzar]

You now have people saying 'Looks like x for 80 million was a bargain!'. The game is absolutely finished, players being 100million wis getting normalised.

100 million.

[JRed]

Under the Saudi Front man, Boehly,  Chelsea have now signed 27 players for around £900M. Obscene.

[deano2727]

Under the Saudi Front man, Boehly,  Chelsea have now signed 27 players for around £900M. Obscene.

And yet, have still found a way to be distinctively average after all that spending. 

[JRed]

Something needs to be done to prevent clubs stockpiling players tho.
Maybe a cap on how many players a club can sign in a year. Say, no club can sign more than 5 players with a value over £10m.

[KillieRed]

You could definitely have a “roster cap” like they do in the states. You couldn’t restrict individual wages, but I think you could (authorities willing) have a cap on the amount the whole roster can spend on wages. It would then be the clubs choice how much to pay individuals within that.

[Son of Spion]

You now have people saying 'Looks like x for 80 million was a bargain!'. The game is absolutely finished, players being 100million wis getting normalised.

100 million.

It's beyond madness. These clubs being used as fronts for highly corrupt states and individuals are being allowed to inflate the market to utterly insane levels. They are killing the game and being encouraged to do so.

To be honest, I can't wait for it to finally implode. The sport is obscene and horribly toxic. I hate what it's become.

[Koplass]

Under the Saudi Front man, Boehly,  Chelsea have now signed 27 players for around £900M. Obscene.

Those sanctions really damaged them, didn't they? 

[MonsLibpool]

What did yous think about Colwill performance?

[12C]

They still finished 12th last season and while they’ll improve, they’re still miles off being serious contenders.

They do get a free ride, infact their spending seems to get celebrated.  There seems to be all round disappointment when chelsea dont spend , theres no pressure on them either by the media , top 6 is a good result for them this season I keep reading, after spending a billion. meanwhile arsenal must win everything because we spent in 5 years what they did in one window.

Chelsea have always been about the image.
I remember them from the 70s. Glamourised by the media, but playing shite football. They built a fantastic stand and filled it with politicians and b list celebs (when celebrity fans were unheard of) whilst the rest of the ground, never shown on TV cameras, was a shit hole.
Always got bigged up and then never turned up to play at Anfield.
Then the Russian gangster turned up and bankrolled the image further.
I always remember my dad saying how pissed off the media were in 1965 when us and Leeds got to the cup final. The media wanted the glamour tie of United Chelsea. Some things never change

[Elzar]

What did yous think about Colwill performance?

He was struggling, as any player would isolated against Salah, until we decided we should just try lobbing it over him and his pace was enough to stop Salah after that.

That first half an hour Chelsea left him with no chance though.

[Jwils21]

So they want Caicedo AND Lavia now, in addition to already signing Ugochukwu, Chukwuemeka, Andrey, Zakaria and Enzo for the midfield over the last 2 years.

They're also after Olise and another Striker in addition to signing Angelo, Mudryk, Steling, Madueke, Aubameyang, Felix, Jackson & Nkunku for their attack over the same period.

Not long after dropping over £100m on Lukaku.

An absolute shambles

[The G in Gerrard]

Is it true that this spending is fine within Premier League rules?

[shook]

You could definitely have a “roster cap” like they do in the states. You couldn’t restrict individual wages, but I think you could (authorities willing) have a cap on the amount the whole roster can spend on wages. It would then be the clubs choice how much to pay individuals within that.

Or at least a cap on agent fees

[The North Bank]

Chelsea have always been about the image.
I remember them from the 70s. Glamourised by the media, but playing shite football. They built a fantastic stand and filled it with politicians and b list celebs (when celebrity fans were unheard of) whilst the rest of the ground, never shown on TV cameras, was a shit hole.
Always got bigged up and then never turned up to play at Anfield.
Then the Russian gangster turned up and bankrolled the image further.
I always remember my dad saying how pissed off the media were in 1965 when us and Leeds got to the cup final. The media wanted the glamour tie of United Chelsea. Some things never change

Being the glamorous kings road media darlings is one thing. What’s happening now is beyond obscene. They’re genuinely signing players just because someone else wants them, their game plan at the moment seems to be to sign every player that another top 6 side is interested in even if they have no idea how to use them, just to stop others from progressing. They cant outspend city so this plan affects everyone else below city negatively but helps city maintain their dominance, because chelsea themselves are a revolving door circus.

[The North Bank]

Apparently chelsea have now given brighton 250m in fees in the last year or so, and still finished below them! Good chance theyll do so again.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Apparently chelsea have now given brighton 250m in fees in the last year or so, and still finished below them! Good chance theyll do so again.

Nah didn't you hear. Title challengers these lot

[Tobelius]

Those sanctions really damaged them, didn't they? 

Any day now..

These are so obviously bankrolled by a state but inevitably anyone mentioning that in mainstream social will get the standard 'cry more' reply.

[jillcwhomever]

Is it true that this spending is fine within Premier League rules?

I suspect they are doing all the buying now because they are not in Europe, the problem will be next season should they qualify for the Champions League they will need to ditch a number of squad players, to make UEFA's FFP. I am sure an earlier post on here mentioned the Premier League rules are somewhat different, I can't remember what it is in that they have to comply with.

[The G in Gerrard]

I suspect they are doing all the buying now because they are not in Europe, the problem will be next season should they qualify for the Champions League they will need to ditch a number of squad players, to make UEFA's FFP. I am sure an earlier post on here mentioned the Premier League rules are somewhat different, I can't remember what it is in that they have to comply with.

Knew this league is useless. Thanks.

[JovaJova]

It's beyond madness. These clubs being used as fronts for highly corrupt states and individuals are being allowed to inflate the market to utterly insane levels. They are killing the game and being encouraged to do so.

To be honest, I can't wait for it to finally implode. The sport is obscene and horribly toxic. I hate what it's become.

It has already imploded as a competitive sport. The same teams are now basically winning the leagues across Europe every single year. The Champions League winner will now likely just rotate between the four or five richest clubs.

There is no competitive point to a league like the EPL anymore. The only way to even get close to competing is to spend a billion quid across a few windows. Even then it has to be spent very well (unlike Chelsea obviously).

Not sure how anyone can stay remotely interested in it to be honest. The players have all been tainted by the money as well, as further evidenced again today by what Neymar is doing.

[KillieRed]

Perhaps they’re total geniuses over at Stamford Bridge and I’m too thick to see it, but do they have an actual football plan with regards to signings? They seem to make them whether they have a coach in place or not. It just seems like hundreds of millions in, hundreds out. I’ve never even heard of most of them. And they still look incredibly unbalanced. It just looks financially dodgy.

[LuverlyRita]

They’re genuinely signing players just because someone else wants them, their game plan at the moment seems to be to sign every player that another top 6 side is interested in even if they have no idea how to use them, just to stop others from progressing. They cant outspend city so this plan affects everyone else below city negatively but helps city maintain their dominance, because chelsea themselves are a revolving door circus.

They have been doing this for a while - pinching players that are linked to other competitor clubs and then sticking them in the reserves or loaning them out to clubs not deemed to be in competition for honours. They hijacked a potential earlier deal between Mo and Liverpool - albeit we had the last laugh 
What I don't understand is why any non-white player would go there. The club's pin-up boy is John Terry and the less said about some of their "delightful" fans the better (think posh Millwall). They're a horrible club - no class and honours "earned" by playing the system.

[Crosby Nick]

I’ve seen posts from their fans saying they can do all this buying this season because they’re not in Europe so some of the FFP/Profitability rules don’t apply this season but surely that’s bollocks? What happens next season if/when they qualify?

[tubby]

Good stuff from Simon Jordan with regards to their finances.

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[newterp]

Good stuff from Simon Jordan with regards to their finances.

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absolutely.

IF IF IF the PL cared one bit about it.

[KillieRed]

As I’ve said before: the EPL is run by & for its member clubs. The likes of Chelsea are effectively cheating the other members. No wonder John Henry is mildly perturbed. Why would they put up with what they & City are doing? The other clubs (that can afford it) might as well spend whatever they want.

[rocco]

Good stuff from Simon Jordan with regards to their finances.

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Spot on

[MonsLibpool]

Good stuff from Simon Jordan with regards to their finances.

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They are in a precarious position because they'd need another firesale next year to comply. It's dumb.

[Walshy nMe®]

Good stuff from Simon Jordan with regards to their finances.

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But all that is assuming they have been paid the full transfer fee for their outgoings up front, which doesn't happen.

Cos if it was that easy to get away with spending what you like, then all clubs would be doing it.

[Jshooters]

If Chelsea are getting around this as suggested by only counting an eight of the value due to the contracts being 8 years, why are they only counting the players signed since Boehly took over? Surely the players bought beforehand will count towards each years spend? 

[MonsLibpool]

If Chelsea are getting around this as suggested by only counting an eight of the value due to the contracts being 8 years, why are they only counting the players signed since Boehly took over? Surely the players bought beforehand will count towards each years spend?

It's five years for European competitions.  I doubt they'd pass that.

[MonsLibpool]

But all that is assuming they have been paid the full transfer fee for their outgoings up front, which doesn't happen.

Cos if it was that easy to get away with spending what you like, then all clubs would be doing it.

It's spread over 5 years (UEFA) regardless of the payment terms. There is no need to go into the technicalities because how can a club that has no European football, a relatively small stadium and less commercial pull than the likes of Madrid, United and us spend £900m (not including agent fees and what they paid to hire and fire Potter) in a year? That's almost twice their revenue. This is a club that lost £235m and £175m before transfer profits in 2022 and 2021 respectively. Before transfer gains, they are signifcantly in the red and they've spent another £900m.

How is that sustainable?

[LuverlyRita]

Good stuff from Simon Jordan with regards to their finances.

The money spent on midfield players this year is eye-watering. Our two recruits look like exceptional business 

[jillcwhomever]

If Chelsea are getting around this as suggested by only counting an eight of the value due to the contracts being 8 years, why are they only counting the players signed since Boehly took over? Surely the players bought beforehand will count towards each years spend?

Because basically it’s all a racket.

[farawayred]

Because basically it’s all a racket.

They key for me was "FFP punishment is financial". Says it all. It MUST be footballing punishment, not financial.

[DonkeyWan]

But all that is assuming they have been paid the full transfer fee for their outgoings up front, which doesn't happen.

Cos if it was that easy to get away with spending what you like, then all clubs would be doing it.

No, it's the way clubs keep books, outgoings are amoritized over time (so 100m becomes 20m per annum) while incomings are immediately 'banked' (on the books only) so for accountancy (and crucially, auditing) purposes, losses can be 'pushed down' the road' while profits are instantly counted.

What he is not really talking about is  the losses that were on the books when Boehly took over (Chelsea has made massive transfer  losses over the last 4 years that pre-date Boehly) so unless they have done some jiggery pokery to get around that then those numbners from the past will also be snowballing into the future alongside the new losses accruing.

Even if Chelsea some how fail to fall foul of FFP, if they keep gambling and failing to succeed, they will be wiped out. It's what happened to Everton. The problem is, when the initial investment fails, they end up doubling down and making even more problems. It's a big gamble. They basically bet a billion to make the CL and turn Chelsea into a superclub. When that failed last year, their choices were to become more cautious or to invest more in their gamble. Because their initial gamble was so big, they couldn'y afford caution so doubled-down instead. If they fail this year it will get harder and harder. Then, just like Everton, they will hit a wall and be thoroughly fucked.

That's what FFP is for, to stop these kinds of gambles with sporting institutions. Fans love it at first, but look at Everton now. The club is in freefall and they are screaming for an oil magnate to save them. Chelsea might yet succeed, but the difference between them and sportswashers is the lack of peril for sportswashers (who can endlessly bail out their clubs). Chelsea could fail (likely will, imo, they have no decent forwards) and in two years we will be seeing weepy eyed Chelsea fans calling for Abramovich to come back.