Topic: Brazilian Porn Review Topic (Warning: may contain Wijnaldum)

[Djimi Smicer34]

I love him, his attitude always seems to be spot on and he looks to have really taken to and is enjoying playing under Klopp. 

There's a lot more to Wijnaldum but I think he's had a very good first season at the club.

[Dim Glas]

He's won me over a little but he needs to improve a lot more - I'm sure most would agree with that. That said, you have to give him credit for those important times he popped up in the right place at the right time. Good knack to have.

Dunno bout that, but all players can improve, so Gini is no different. But there are other players who've featured regularly this season who I'd be looking at as needing to improve their performanes more than him. He's had a very good first season, been impressed with him.

[Xanderzone]

He's had a good first season and has come up with some really big goals - City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Boro.

For me, he still disappears too often from games though - particularly away from home - so he needs to kick on and become more influential next season.

But he's shown plenty in his first full season to be happy with.

[RedForeverTT]

He's had a good first season and has come up with some really big goals - City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Boro.

For me, he still disappears too often from games though - particularly away from home - so he needs to kick on and become more influential next season.

But he's shown plenty in his first full season to be happy with.

I think the last match against Middlesborough was a typical Gini's performance. Could score important goals but still drift in and out of a game a bit too much for my liking. There were long periods in the match where he was non-existent or simply did not made a difference. Having lot of ball possession but knocking the ball sideways or making pointless passes like cricketers throwing catches around to rub the ball over their pants.

[MihawkLFC]

Circulating the ball really isn't drifting in and out of the game.
He is one of the best passers of the ball we have, he also seems to always pick out the right pass.
What does a penetrating pass do for you if it doesn't offer the receiving player any chance to score or create a goalscoring opportunity but isolated the receiving player and forces him to play it back.
Not every pass needs to be penetrating, over 50 yards or to one of our attacking players.
Ball retention is the keyword and Gini is really good at that and if you wanna slag him for that, oh well...

[newterp]

He's also incredibly strong on the ball and shakes off tackles easily. I do agree that he needs to be more threatening - but he has been a good signing.

His price tag was on the high end - but he helped us get to the CL (qualifying yes yes) so it paid off.

And quite durable.

[nico 8]

Circulating the ball really isn't drifting in and out of the game.
He is one of the best passers of the ball we have, he also seems to always pick out the right pass.
What does a penetrating pass do for you if it doesn't offer the receiving player any chance to score or create a goalscoring opportunity but isolated the receiving player and forces him to play it back.
Not every pass needs to be penetrating, over 50 yards or to one of our attacking players.
Ball retention is the keyword and Gini is really good at that and if you wanna slag him for that, oh well...

Agreed. Where he has played further up he is seemingly invisible and this is correct to an extent. I do, however, believe that this is so as the defending teams would merely play it long and over his head. When on attack, Clyne has on countless occasions passed it sideways and backwards. When he has played it forward, Wijnaldum then comes into play. See the opening goal against Middlesborough. Having said that, there is a higher ceiling and he needs to believe in his ability a lot more.

[red_Mark1980]

He's got a great song. Makes The difference

[kavah]

http://m.independent.ie/sport/leftfield/article35742373.ece

Brilliant little story

Great that

[Endoe]

Seems to perform a heap better when we play a diamond, if he can take more shots going forward that'd help, can seem a little to selfless at times in dangerous positions.Still a little on the fence with him, he does have it in him to improve and impose himself on games a heap more.

[Keith Lard]

Love Gini's attitude - he's taking inspiration from the best: http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/265882-gini-s-first-year-lunch-with-kenny-and-learning-from-klopp

[rob1966]

Love Gini's attitude - he's taking inspiration from the best: http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/265882-gini-s-first-year-lunch-with-kenny-and-learning-from-klopp

Must be great for a player to have someone like Kenny to talk to and learn from. If Kenny still eats there, they probably go the Cathay Garden chinese at the end of Lord Street.

[ggcc14]

I was reading he is getting a record sponsorship deal for a Dutchman with Adidas, that can't be right surely?

[rob1966]

I was reading he is getting a record sponsorship deal for a Dutchman with Adidas, that can't be right surely?

Thats what his agent is reported to have said, an unprecedented big contract.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

I was reading he is getting a record sponsorship deal for a Dutchman with Adidas, that can't be right surely?

arjen robben and robin van Persia need to fire their agents

[Giono]

arjen robben and robin van Persia need to fire their agents

A new agent will make them likeable and admirable?

[paulrazor]

you wont notice his work with adidas yet it will be still effective and keep the company ticking much like he does with us.

perfect fit

[Art of Lies]

There is a recent interview in the Dutch media with Klopp's assistant coach Pepijn Lijnders with a interesting statement about Gini that indicates what the playing staff think about him, and contrasts enormously with some of the comments being made about him here.

Voor intensieve en risicovolle spelwijze zoekt Liverpool naar een bepaald type speler. Geen eendimensionale spierbundels maar ranke allrounders en ‘creatieve machines’ zoals Sadio Mané. Het aantrekken van Georginio Wijnaldum sluit hierop aan. ,,Gini belichaamt onze manier van spelen”, stelt Lijnders. De groei van de international is voor hem geen verrassing. ,,Onze specifieke manier van spelen forceert individuele ontwikkeling.”

For this intense and risky playing style Liverpool targets a certain type of player. Not the one-dimensional bundle of muscles but sleek all-rounders and 'creative machines' like Sadio Mané. The capture of Georginio Wijnaldum dovetails with this (concept). ,,Gini personifies our way of playing”, Lijnders states. The growth of the international player does not surprise him. ,,Our specific way of playing forces individual development.”

Surely statements like these should dispel any doubts over whether Gini is of the quality desired by Klopp or plays the role Klopp is demanding of him.

[WhingingMoaningUpstart]

There is a recent interview in the Dutch media with Klopp's assistant coach Pepijn Lijnders with a interesting statement about Gini that indicates what the playing staff think about him, and contrasts enormously with some of the comments being made about him here.
For this intense and risky playing style Liverpool targets a certain type of player. Not the one-dimensional bundle of muscles but sleek all-rounders and 'creative machines' like Sadio Mané. The capture of Georginio Wijnaldum dovetails with this (concept). ,,Gini personifies our way of playing”, Lijnders states. The growth of the international player does not surprise him. ,,Our specific way of playing forces individual development.”

Surely statements like these should dispel any doubts over whether Gini is of the quality desired by Klopp or plays the role Klopp is demanding of him.

Wow. This is some thought provoking stuff. I wish we can hear Klopp and Buvac talking about their ideas.

[ggcc14]

Surely statements like these should dispel any doubts over whether Gini is of the quality desired by Klopp or plays the role Klopp is demanding of him.

I don't think anyone questions this do they?

[Art of Lies]

Wow. This is some thought provoking stuff. I wish we can hear Klopp and Buvac talking about their ideas.

There are some other interesting quotes in the interview, I was thinking of translating the whole thing if people are interested, and it cools down just a little bit perhaps too.

I don't think anyone questions this do they?

Have a look back in this thread if you can stomach it, quite a few comments about him being invisible, people not getting what he brings to the team, saying he doesn't score enough, doesn't create enough, not first team material, etc. etc.

[SerbianScouser]

Have a look back in this thread if you can stomach it, quite a few comments about him being invisible, people not getting what he brings to the team, saying he doesn't score enough, doesn't create enough, not first team material, etc. etc.

That's one thing but a level of abuse he got after his only second game for us at Burnley was something completely different and unreal.

[WhingingMoaningUpstart]

There are some other interesting quotes in the interview, I was thinking of translating the whole thing if people are interested, and it cools down just a little bit perhaps too.

You don't have to do that. We have Google Translate.

[Art of Lies]

You don't have to do that. We have Google Translate.

Google translate and natural Dutch, figurative speech...


A couple of examples from the article:

"Pepijn Lijnders, cut out of the tongue belt"

"Lijnders had to ensure that his footprints did not flush away"

""Pep," as his melody is called Melwood"

"Just like Lijnders wants to indicate the warm character of the club, it will be twice soft but definitely knocked."

I don't mind doing it seeing as it isn't a massive article and because you lose a lot of nuances otherwise.

[WhingingMoaningUpstart]

Google translate and natural Dutch, figurative speech...


A couple of examples from the article:

"Pepijn Lijnders, cut out of the tongue belt"

"Lijnders had to ensure that his footprints did not flush away"

""Pep," as his melody is called Melwood"

"Just like Lijnders wants to indicate the warm character of the club, it will be twice soft but definitely knocked."

I don't mind doing it seeing as it isn't a massive article and because you lose a lot of nuances otherwise.

You have my thanks, fam.

[Djozer]

There are some other interesting quotes in the interview, I was thinking of translating the whole thing if people are interested, and it cools down just a little bit perhaps too.

If you can be bothered to translate the whole thing, that'd be great bud. I'm sure it'd be much appreciated.

[red vinyl]

Living in Limburg the lads right,Google translate dosent work well with dutch.

[Petadroli]

There is a recent interview in the Dutch media with Klopp's assistant coach Pepijn Lijnders with a interesting statement about Gini that indicates what the playing staff think about him, and contrasts enormously with some of the comments being made about him here.
For this intense and risky playing style Liverpool targets a certain type of player. Not the one-dimensional bundle of muscles but sleek all-rounders and 'creative machines' like Sadio Mané. The capture of Georginio Wijnaldum dovetails with this (concept). ,,Gini personifies our way of playing”, Lijnders states. The growth of the international player does not surprise him. ,,Our specific way of playing forces individual development.”

Surely statements like these should dispel any doubts over whether Gini is of the quality desired by Klopp or plays the role Klopp is demanding of him.

Do you have a link to that article? Would love to read it!

[Dim Glas]

Have a look back in this thread if you can stomach it, quite a few comments about him being invisible, people not getting what he brings to the team, saying he doesn't score enough, doesn't create enough, not first team material, etc. etc.

there's also plenty who get totally what he brings to the team. Thing is though, as is the way of all football forums, the negatives get talked about more, so it seems worse, it's like the match threads when the team loses, 328 pages, after they win it's about 21 pages

I think most realise how good Gini is and what a good first season he had and what an upgrade he was to the midfield last season.

[DanA]

I didn't get what he brought to the team until seeing him play 4-5 games for us and I didn't think he scored enough last season but that changed in the second half of the year.

Opinions can be fluid

[LallanaInPyjamas]

I didn't get what he brought to the team until seeing him play 4-5 games for us and I didn't think he scored enough last season but that changed in the second half of the year.

Opinions can be fluid

Pretty much. I still think that more than any of our players he was symptomatic of our season: exceptional in big games where he used his excellent physicality and ability in transition, but underwhelming against low-block defences when a bit more creativity, tempo-building and general willingness to keep showing for the ball in the right areas is required.

However he definitely improved at the latter in the last couple of months of the season with massive goals against Burnley and Boro and that excellent ball over the top for Firmino against Stoke illustrative of that. That's good news for next season because, while he had a solid debut season, there's certainly room for improvement. If there wasn't, why is everyone so keen on us signing Keita?

[kennedy81]

"Pepijn Lijnders, cut out of the tongue belt"

"Lijnders had to ensure that his footprints did not flush away"

""Pep," as his melody is called Melwood"

"Just like Lijnders wants to indicate the warm character of the club, it will be twice soft but definitely knocked."

[RedSince86]

I was reading he is getting a record sponsorship deal for a Dutchman with Adidas, that can't be right surely?

Why not.

What top Dutch player right now is playing for a bigger club than Liverpool with our worldwide fan base and participation in the most popular most watched league on the planet.

(If you say Robben i should point out that i don't consider Bayern a bigger club than us..and don't say Danny Blind who is a bit part player at United)

[Petadroli]

Why not.

What top Dutch player right now is playing for a bigger club than Liverpool with our worldwide fan base and participation in the most popular most watched league on the planet.

(If you say Robben i should point out that i don't consider Bayern a bigger club than us..and don't say Danny Blind who is a bit part player at United)

Plus he is less controversial than Robben and way better looking.

[Aldo96]

Nice little birthday pressie from the brother!

[Giono]

Gini was playing deeper in the first half of our last match against Leicester. Did he do the same in the match against Palace?


I wonder if this was a trial of sorts or just a necessity with Can away?

[xbugawugax]

Gini was playing deeper in the first half of our last match against Leicester. Did he do the same in the match against Palace?


I wonder if this was a trial of sorts or just a necessity with Can away?

he was actually. probably klopp just mixing things around. Would have put Stewart in the DM role but he was leaving for Hull.

Did a pretty decent job actually. Just him and his quietly efficient style.  Though the Leicester goal came from unfamiliarity with the role i think. A multitude of errors from not picking up Fuchs run and not stopping the cross.

[Dim Glas]

Gini was playing deeper in the first half of our last match against Leicester. Did he do the same in the match against Palace?


I wonder if this was a trial of sorts or just a necessity with Can away?

Necessity I reckon, Can of course wasn't there, Lucas gone, Stewart would have likely played in that role, but he left Hong Kong to finalise a move. And they didn't take Chirivella with them on the tour, cos you could have only a 25 man squad - and they'd taken Stewart.

I mean, maybe it is more than that, but I just saw it as being a necessity, cos they had to play someone and didn't want to play Hendo there for the whole game.

[Schmidt]

he was actually. probably klopp just mixing things around. Would have put Stewart in the DM role but he was leaving for Hull.

Did a pretty decent job actually. Just him and his quietly efficient style.  Though the Leicester goal came from unfamiliarity with the role i think. A multitude of errors from not picking up Fuchs run and not stopping the cross.

TAA got isolated multiple times, I'm not sure if that was down to Gini or someone else not helping out but I wouldn't say efficient describes the performance.

He's an excellent player I just think he was a poor fit there.

[fewmin' bedwetter]

George does look very good as the number six. Quite versatile, really, isn't he, our George?

PS Any chance we can not call him Jeanie?

PPS In that rock, paper scissors clip from Hong Kong, it looked like they were calling him "G" - that's a lot better than Jeanie!