Topic: Man City - cheating bastards rumbled

[lfc79]

Plus arent they HMRC pretty ruthless at times too

I guess that would be the one good thing if City did fight any ruling having players give evidence under oath about what payments they received, the truth ids beyond just Man City, the player who signed on those kind of deals are cheats too.

Sadly no-one cares, look at Messi, I would give any player a lifetime ban from the world cup for tax evasion.

[rob1966]

I still cant still the PL doing much to them there spineless they wont want to risk upsetting city owners

Spineless is doing nothing, this is now all over the media all over the world. Its massive and they cannot just sweep this under the carpet now.

[PeterTheRed ...]

But they almost certainly haven't. The information they are required to disclose to the PL is different to the information they are required to disclose to HMRC. Breaking a private organisations rules is one thing. Committing a serious crime is another

If they are convicted by the PL for their cheating, they will inevitably be investigated by the financial authorities as a consequence. Fake accounting, double bookkeeping, money laundering, tax evasion. All of these crimes will be under consideration ...

[Coolie High]

These charges... definitely backed up with evidence?

I'd settle for them having a transfer ban imposed sometime between now and May 31st, if it meant a decent shot at Bellingham.

Hard to see punishment being inflicted when this new would not come as a shock to anyone.

20 points deducted for the next season and a 4 window transfer ban would do.

[rocco]

So this goes to a three man panel then appeal goes to another new three man panel , then decision is final

?

[rob1966]

The Super League that City were invited to?

That was trying to reign them in, they will never be included in it now.

[El Lobo]

The Super League that City were invited to?

Thats the one

[jillcwhomever]

I'd love to see them relegated and the titles handed over but surely that won't happen will it

No one knows as this is a completely new situation there are a number of punishments they could unleash on them if guilty. Anything from points deduction, fines or even relegation.

[Sharado]

20 points deducted for the next season and a 4 window transfer ban would do.

Cheslea got a 2 window ban for 2 breaches btw.

City have over 100.

Strip their titles and relegate them.

[CowboyKangaroo]

If they are convicted by the PL for their cheating, they will inevitably be investigated by the financial authorities as a consequence. Fake accounting, double bookkeeping, money laundering, tax evasion. All of these crimes will be under consideration ...

Fraud would be only one (and given the PL is pursuing their on sanctions without referring the case to the FCA/relevant body this seems remote to me). All the others would be dependent on what they have disclosed to the relevant statutory bodies (of which there is absolutely no evidence that they have misrepresented anything there). They also cannot be convicted by the PL. They are not a prosecuting authority of any kind. The rules they are being accused of breaching are not legal in nature.

[RedSince86]

They have allegedly paid managers and players off the books according to charges brought by the Premier League.

They gave Pellegrini a Lowry painting, must have been worth a few millions to knock off the compensation letting him go with years left on his contract.

[Coolie High]

Cheslea got a 2 window ban for 2 breaches btw.

City have over 100.

Strip their titles and relegate them.

Bloody ell.

[Barneylfc∗]

I wondered about that. The ramifications touch so many aspects (broadcasting contracts, bonuses, add-ons, prize money, trophies, gambling payouts etc). The fallout is massive and widespread

Apparently bookies T&C are that bets are paid out on the official result at the time, so subsequent disqualifications etc do not matter.

Correct

If that's a serious question - No, it's time barred 

I 'won' over £1300 on BetVictor on Gareth Bale scoring a free kick v Ukraine in the world cup play off last summer but they refused to pay out. It was initially given as an own goal but changed to a Bale goal months later. It's in the T&Cs that markets being changed over 72 hours (Maybe 48, can't remember) after the event won't change the settlement.

[Samie]

Perez will fuck them over somehow with the European Super League. 

[Lynndenberries]

Spineless is doing nothing, this is now all over the media all over the world. Its massive and they cannot just sweep this under the carpet now.

They would be putting their product at risk if they just let it go.

[clinical]

FSG and Glazers should sue them for loss of earnings. This could become huge. If they have cheated which we all know they have it could get worse for them.

[didi shamone]

So this goes to a three man panel then appeal goes to another new three man panel , then decision is final

?

Six new millionaires

[Black Bull Nova]

And, just on football, as everyone is talking about our failures. Is there any explanation why City are Shitty this year when all they have done is add the world's most prolific striker who is currently breaking all records?

[naka]

20 points deducted for the next season and a 4 window transfer ban would do.

asterisk beside their league/cup wins and relegation to league 2
punishment has to be meaningful

[Samie]

I saw we kick them out of the ESL.

[CowboyKangaroo]

For those thinking there are criminal implications beyond fraud by misrepresentation (which seems remote) - do you realise how much harder it is to get away with that stuff (with absolutely no benefit - they don't care about paying a tax bill) than accounts submitted to the PL?

[PeterTheRed ...]

I'd love to see them relegated and the titles handed over but surely that won't happen will it

At this point, no one really knows what will be the outcome. The fact that the charges have been made by the PL, and not by the FA, and the fact that Man City can't appeal any punishment to CAS, makes it very interesting ...

[Coolie High]

Six new millionaires

 

[Kopenhagen]

Cheslea got a 2 window ban for 2 breaches btw.

City have over 100.

Strip their titles and relegate them.

Oof. I'm listening now!

[rocco]

Six new millionaires

It’s the one bloke that picks both panels

[Reds r coming up the hill]

Any punishment should then be expanded into new wider PL/EFL rules to prevent barbarians such as Qatar/Saudis etc from owning PL clubs, due to their horrendous human rights abuses.

So in addition with Their owners refusing to co-operate since 2018 how are they allowed to compete in the league when they are refusing to abide by the leagues rules in submitting required financial documents. Surely the PL can and should kick them out right now, until they hand over the docs they should be suspended from the league immediately.

[didi shamone]

And, just on football, as everyone is talking about our failures. Is there any explanation why City are Shitty this year when all they have done is add the world's most prolific striker who is currently breaking all records?

He's not leading to them scoring any more goals as a team. They're having a natural dip on the previous years and a few of their stars are pushing on. Still well in the title race though.

[Dim Glas]

If they dont, then I'd imagine the Super League moves a lot, lot closer.

regardless of what happens, the premier league should be done. It’s they who allow these owners to buy the clubs. It all goes back to that.  Fit and proper tests, yeah right.

PL needs breaking up.   

If anything good comes out of it, it’d be a reset for football at the top level in England, not holding my breath like.

[JRed]

It’s great that the PL have charged the cheating c*nts, however we will now likely face a long wait to see them get punished.
We will probably have even signed a midfielder before it comes to a conclusion!

[ScottScott]

Strip them of everything they've won since the takeover. Award it to the runner up. All cup wins, all leagues, everything. They've robbed other clubs and fans of those trophies

They need to be kicked out of the PL. The fact that the PL have enough for the period they have investigated to charge them with over 100 offences, coupled with the fact that they've just refused to co-operate with anything beyond 2018, shows they have absolutely zero shame in what they've done and they'll just continue on with it. Don't care what happens to them after that, but they can't be in the PL going forward, not after this

Anyone saying they wouldn't want the lost titles and cups being awarded to us are off their heads as well. Get the Champions Wall updated today as far as I'm concerned. We all knew we were robbed and now the PL have said the same

[Barneylfc∗]

It’s the one bloke that picks both panels

[Dim Glas]

The Super League that City were invited to?

that wasn’t a replacment for domestic league football though. Not sure why it’s seen as if it was.

[Bullet500]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9318_Premier_League#League_table

[Lynndenberries]

regardless of what happens, the premier league should be done. It’s they who allow these owners to buy the clubs. It all goes back to that.  Fit and proper tests, yeah right.

PL needs breaking up.   

If anything good comes out of it, it’d be a reset for football at the top level in England, not holding my breath like.

What does that even look like though? The Super League?

[Qston]

Just popped in and it's pretty standard stuff really. Everyone is against them, they've been set up to fail FFP and all the "Cartel" or "The hateful 8" are in on it.

Any of them even dare to question, even hypothetically, whether or not they're guilty & they're immediately shouted down and called a rag/dipper etc.

Pretty much any other day over there for them really.

Who are they ?

[Andypandimonium]

Going to be interesting how this plays out. The PL between a rock and a hard place. One verdict ruins the league's commerciality as the biggest and the best by putting a huge asterisk over results in recent times, the other will effectively be the final nail in the coffin of the sport. Which will it be? I wonder who the first pundit will be to argue that sports results are won on the field and this is all about business law and accounting procedures. I have a favourite for that contest.

[didi shamone]

Who are they ?

Everton have to be one

[Mighty_Red]

I still cant still the PL doing much to them there spineless they wont want to risk upsetting city owners

Balance that with the owners of Liverpool and Utd pls the other US based owners - Arsenal, Spurs maybe even Chelsea (oh the irony).

It will come to a head either way - either City get down, or all financial rules go in the bin and it becomes a free for all sportswash shitshow.

[Ciara (with a capital "C")]

Cheslea got a 2 window ban for 2 breaches btw.

City have over 100.

Strip their titles and relegate them.

Did City not know this was coming? Or don't they think it's severe? Or maybe know it will take years to resolve itself?

They are in much need of a rebuild themselves. I was shocked at how poor their bench was yesterday with a lack of attacking threat - KDB granted but apart from Foden who was ill, I think that was it. They let Cancelo go too. No-one brought in this Jan.

I'd be delighted to see them hit with a transfer ban.

[Draex]

Cheslea got a 2 window ban for 2 breaches btw.

City have over 100.

Strip their titles and relegate them.

200 year transfer ban?