Topic: SORRY - He's got to go....

[silver 5 star]

As much as he sold us down the river, he wasn't a problem in the previous 7 years from 2001 onwards when he appointed two managers who won 8 trophies to be fair.

He also dithered on for YEARS about the much needed new stadium.

Arsenal just went out and built theirs.

[exiledintheUSA]

He also dithered on for YEARS about the much needed new stadium.

Arsenal just went out and built theirs.

Yep they did and there was 60,000 people there to watch West Brom run them ragged, doesn't fix everything.

[Paul JH]

He also dithered on for YEARS about the much needed new stadium.
Arsenal just went out and built theirs.

And have won nothing for 5 years.

[Jokerman]

We've been protesting against the owners for years and yet they are still here.

So you'd rather we gave up and just moaned about the present manager instead?

[RedSoul9]

A week.

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=263652.0

ouch...lol

[silver 5 star]

Sacking a Manager at this stage will NOT solve a thing. It WILL make it worse.


Maybe it needs to get worse to get the yank bastards out.

[Breitner]

I'm just in shock. I'm not going to blame the manager and players, like us they're just victims of the festering cancer that is now Liverpool FC. You can smell the decay. I don't think we're in real danger of going down but maybe hitting rock bottom and finding our soul again might not be such a bad thing. Roy is doing his best and I don't want to see him take the fall for the two crooks at the top but it might be for the best that he does move on and let Kenny handle things until we sort ourselves out.

[Dubai_Red]

I have to ask a few questions to those who believe that it's a good idea to get rid of Hodgson right now.

Who would possibly want to take over?
Would anyone be able to get the morale up?

We have some great players in our squad, but I don't know how well they'd take it if they lost their manager at this stage. January, maybe. Even that is an awkward time to change the manager in my opinion.

I'm no fan of Hodgson's, I never thought he was good enough. I've been hoping he could prove me wrong, but I knew from day 1 that this was a massive step backwards from Rafa Benitez. But I don't know what effect an early sacking will have on the team.

Also;
What if whoever comes in fails to sort things out? Do we sack him aswell? Do we start a cycle of replacing managers every 3-4 months?

We're in a mess.

We get rid of RH as things can't get much worse. Its now 11 games in and not a single 90mins of a decent performance.

We get rid and appoint someone that actually has some pedigree. Don't agree with Dalglish coming in, but am certain that he would get more out of the team then RH can! Pelligrini if he can still be persuaded! If there is new investment on the horizon, would help in tempting someone with a bit of pedigree!!

[RedSoul9]

Sacking a Manager at this stage will NOT solve a thing. It WILL make it worse.


Maybe it needs to get worse to get the yank bastards out.

disagree. cant get any worse than this.

[silver 5 star]

And have won nothing for 5 years.

But at least have a secure future?

[Bob Loblaw]

Im prepared to give the man time, he needs it to get his game across but that did not do himself any favours.
The players really need to look at themselves. Awful most of them apart from 5 or 6. The rest are just not good enough.

Wake up!!

[SwedenRed]

Sacking a Manager at this stage will NOT solve a thing. It WILL make it worse.


Maybe it needs to get worse to get the yank bastards out.

No chance. IF we get worse, the Yanks STILL would not sell.

[SwedenRed]

Wake up!!

Wake up? What did he say that is wrong? You think the players have performed then? errrr Wake up!

[KSra]

We get rid of RH as things can't get much worse. Its now 11 games in and not a single 90mins of a decent performance.

We get rid and appoint someone that actually has some pedigree. Don't agree with Dalglish coming in, but am certain that he would get more out of the team then RH can! Pelligrini if he can still be persuaded! If there is new investment on the horizon, would help in tempting someone with a bit of pedigree!!

There isn't. Purslow couldn't secure investment if his life depended on it.

Edit: And for some strange reason, not even his job seems to depend on it :S

[Paul JH]

But at least have a secure future?

Mate, I agree with you, I'm saying that when he was here and we were winning trophies, few were concerned about Moores.

[t0m]

did anyone laugh when the final whistle went, Im trying to think this is all just a dream/nightmare.

before anyone say shut up u c*nt. i said that 1st =(

[saoirse08]

As inevitable as much of this seemed a couple of months ago, it doesn't make it any less depressing. Have to say, I am totally ambivalent now about Hodgson. And if he were sacked or he resigned tomorrow, I wouldn't feel anything either way.

[Surprise me.]

Holding onto him is key, we've had a shit start to the season but to remain stable we have to think long term and that means keeping the manager, however bad things have started. This team should have started better and im still confident that our final league position will reflect the team we have. Every manager needs time, its only been 7 games. His way of playing and running things on the pitch is completely different to that of Rafas and the players need to adapt. Training has changed a lot by the looks of things, that must be doing something. It only becomes a massive problem if we are still here from January onwards, which i very much doubt we will be.

Stick by him and he's bound to fix things sooner or later, frankly this club is not going to be moving forward anytime soon so we might as well give him plenty of time. Always better to get rid of a manager in the off-season rather than right in the middle of one, thats if the owners are looking to get rid of him.

[Pheeny]

lets not have a manager/coach and see how that works.Oh wait a minute that's what we are trying at the moment...

[exile kopite]

"We are Liverpool Football Club, we dont do that, we dont do this"

For how fucking long will that argument be legit?

[kvarmeismydad]

There's more shit to come. Of the following fixtures I cant see many wins. Sunday, 17 October 2010
Barclays Premier League
Everton v Liverpool, 13:30
Thursday, 21 October 2010
Uefa Europa League
Napoli v Liverpool, GpK, 18:00
Sunday, 24 October 2010
Barclays Premier League
Liverpool v Blackburn, 15:00
Sunday, 31 October 2010
Barclays Premier League
Bolton v Liverpool, 16:00
Thursday, 4 November 2010
Uefa Europa League
Liverpool v Napoli, GpK, 20:05
Sunday, 7 November 2010
Barclays Premier League
Liverpool v Chelsea, 16:00

[silver 5 star]

So you'd rather we gave up and just moaned about the present manager instead?

Kindly copy any posts into this thread where I have said that.

The yanks need to go.

So too does an out of depth, inept, journeyman manager who for some amazing reason thinks he's The Dog's Bollocks.

He's nearly right.

He's just spouts bollocks.

[stanleylhs]

"I'm sure we all would have loved an extra 15 minutes, but we didn't get it."

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/hodgson-i-m-responsible

Why put Poulsen on for 60 minutes at the first place? If you want to play extra 15 minutes of football?

[LFC when it suits]

Hopefully Pelligrini will be our next manager ASAP.

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

Pellegrini is still without a job. I know, he'd be mad to take it, but he's doing nothing else so why not? Because as shite as we've been, we've still got a pretty good fucking squad of players to work with. 

Maybe I say this because I really rate Pellegrini, but with this squad, he could take us to the Champions League places ... We are 5 points away, after all ...

[Bob Loblaw]

Wake up? What did he say that is wrong? You think the players have performed then? errrr Wake up!

The part about Roy being given more time, when he's so patently not up to the job. Would have thought that was fairly clear.

I'd actually agree with him on the players. But part of the job is getting players playing to their level. He's not doing that. Not even close.

[SwedenRed]

Who thinks we are in a blip, as opposed to a crisis? And why?

[kennedy81]

As inevitable as much of this seemed a couple of months ago, it doesn't make it any less depressing. Have to say, I am totally ambivalent now about Hodgson. And if he were sacked or he resigned tomorrow, I wouldn't feel anything either way.

I agree, wouldn't care either way at this stage.
and I thought he might be a decent appointment under the circumstances.
I'd hate to see us pushing the panic button yet though, it's just not how we've ever done things, except maybe for Souness.
we'd be a total laughing stock if we shafted him now, give it til xmas at least.
who would we get anyway?
o'neill isn't any more proven at a big club than Hodgson and it's not like he's gonna have anymore cash.

[Gobias Industries]

Sacking a Manager at this stage will NOT solve a thing. It WILL make it worse.


Maybe it needs to get worse to get the yank bastards out.

We're already in the relegation zone. How can the football side of it possibly get worse? If we keep playing like this we WILL be relegated. We need someone who can bring something to the table tactically, who knows his players' best positions, who knows when to make subs and what subs to make.

Roy's time here has been a car wreck.

[saoirse08]

Can we even afford to sack him?

[Pheeny]

we could well have minus 3 points before the Derby.

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

I always thought new managers were like a breath of fresh air?

From the official site ...



Does he looks like a breath of fresh air to you ?

[SwedenRed]

The part about Roy being given more time, when he's so patently not up to the job.

OK...Why isnt he capable? You think simply bad tactics and man management has put us third bottom in the League? Why isnt he up to the job?
Also WHO would be up for this near impossible job? I doubt anyone would.

[hoonin]

Those expecting him to do the decent thing and resign are in dreamland - he'll cling onto the job by his arthritic opportunistic fingers, so that's another few mill we'll have to add to the debt to get rid of the feckless old duffer.

A week.

[James Mac]

If I had to get anybody in I'd promote McMahon or Borrell. What ever happened to the boot-room Liverpool?

We don't have enough time to get someone like Pellegrini in. The above two could put their system to use straight away.

[Base21]

Okay, let me get a few points clear before I'm off..

First, when Houllier left, it was clear his time was up, the last squad he has assembled was below the average line we had for the club "you ain't going to win the league with Cheyrou, Diouf, Diao, Traoré and Biscan" and therefore it was time to leave, and so came in Rafa who with all the little resources he had to live with under both Moores and the two twats he still managed superbly, the funny thing is too many people out there are only remembering the last season under Benítez as if he didn't make it here for 6 years "which shows how much many people hated the man for all his great work!"

Second, I tried my best to give Hodgson a go, not for anything, except that he's got the seat, and it is his right to be supported by me and all other reds out there. However, it is very clear he has no clue how to handle pressure, how to handle his own players "Torres was injured within 10 minutes; has it been Rafa he would have rested Torres and got slated from everyone, even if he kept the boy away from trouble!!!!!!!!!!!", or how to handle a big club like ours. His tactics were all wrong, the side looked out of sorts, some players looked like they wanted to help "Raul, Kyrgiakos, and to some extent Gerrard", but they were not positioned correctly, they didn't feel like playing their part faithfully "apart from Carra, cause he was forced there anyways"

Third, the fact that Hodgson came in during a tough time may count to him, but in all fairness, Houllier left when it was well and truly his time to leave... Rafa was forced out. Rafa's job is not done, which explains why many of us are still attached to the Spaniard, we're looking into all bits and pieces we may get our hands on to read through the lines hoping to get a clue why this whole thing happened.

Rafa was forced out, by the two twats who didn't want him to expose them, by the two shit bags "Purslow and Broughton" who didn't want someone considerably below the line to teach them how to do things", and by the media circus who had people like alex fergushit, fat sam and fat bruce who only wished a man like Benítez can leave as soon as possible so they can rest assured that this Liverpool side will remain asleep.

I thought I'd be upset after this result, but you know what... THIS that we saw today was NOT OUR CLUB, my club makes me dream, makes me feel that anything is possible, and it's not down to its history, it was down to its spirit that lived on for years... the Spirit of Shankly that will remain inside any true Liverpool supporter and any proud man donning that Red piece from heaven.

All I'm looking forward to right now is to oversee the sale happen, the next few weeks are going to be very, VERY interesting indeed, it will make or break the rest of the history of this great club.

To the ONE AND TRUE Liverpool Club... You'll Never Walk Alone...

[skidz73]

Well I guess this result takes away from the Protest. Probably Hicks' best scenario.

Garbage result, but for those asking for Kenny to be appointed. Is this the same knee jerk shite that saw Rafa removed? I'm sorry but I don't want Kenny to be the sacrificial lamb at the alter of baying fans. The squad isn't going to be strenthgened, so what exactly would Kenny's appointment achieve? I'm no fan of Roy Hodgson, but I believe anyone walking into that job is not going to just solve the problems on the pitch, no matter how much hand wringing might be going on.

[RedSoul9]

the next few games arent looking too good for roy either. testing times indeed..

game against everton in 2 weeks is massive for roy.

[scared_person]

Holding onto him is key, we've had a shit start to the season but to remain stable we have to think long term and that means keeping the manager, however bad things have started. This team should have started better and im still confident that our final league position will reflect the team we have. Every manager needs time, its only been 7 games. His way of playing and running things on the pitch is completely different to that of Rafas and the players need to adapt. Training has changed a lot by the looks of things, that must be doing something. It only becomes a massive problem if we are still here from January onwards, which i very much doubt we will be.

Stick by him and he's bound to fix things sooner or later, frankly this club is not going to be moving forward anytime soon so we might as well give him plenty of time. Always better to get rid of a manager in the off-season rather than right in the middle of one, thats if the owners are looking to get rid of him.

"Give him more time" and "Who can we bring in now" are unfortunately the only cogent arguments for keeping him at the moment. Its hard to see anything positive coming from the manager that would give you confidence in his ability to turn it around. I hope he improves, but at this point I'm not looking forward to the derby one tiny bit.

[jjmoyo]

it is upto the manager to rub off on the players in every manner, including his press conferences. Saying we might lose many games that were not expected to is totally unacceptable and totally not liverpool. Its obvious that he has many selection errors in every game. you cannot blame players or owners for this. King kenny back right now, although he has been out the game for that long, the presence and spirit will be uplifting no doubt.