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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #200 on: October 10, 2023, 09:21:12 am »
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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #201 on: October 10, 2023, 09:22:02 am »
Not sure Livingstone’s long for this team, once Stokes is back. Albeit, it then probably means one of the bowlers comes back out for Moeen.
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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #202 on: October 10, 2023, 09:23:23 am »
Livingstone's defence! Shocking stuff.
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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #203 on: October 10, 2023, 09:28:13 am »
Not sure Livingstone’s long for this team, once Stokes is back. Albeit, it then probably means one of the bowlers comes back out for Moeen.

Yeah, just a bit of a biffer.

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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #204 on: October 10, 2023, 09:39:09 am »
Thought we were on for 400

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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #205 on: October 10, 2023, 09:39:35 am »
Pegged back now. 10 and over from here would be 380. But it's hard to score 10 an over with the tail on this pitches.

Would need to be a record breaking chase (in all ODI, not just WC) if Bangladesh are to win from here. So you'd imagine England have this game all but in the bag. That said Bangladesh have scored 334, 338 and 349 in the last 6 months albeit against Ireland twice and Afghanistan.
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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #206 on: October 10, 2023, 09:43:29 am »
Can't say I'm displeased to see Curran go. What a strange innings. Ducking short balls etc.
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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #207 on: October 10, 2023, 09:47:04 am »
Seems like a tough pitch to just brute force it. The most correct two batsmen have scored the bulk of the runs. Feels like the kind of pitch where if you can take wickets steadily. Or certainly make a couple of early inroads, it’ll be hard for Bangers to force the pace in a chase.

Just the one full time spinner feels a bit odd but seamers bowing cutters could work well here.

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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #208 on: October 10, 2023, 09:57:11 am »
6 weeks this is going on for, with almost all days having just 1 game.

Why not do two games a day to speed it up?

It already feels like a drag.

Because logistically that would be almost impossible.  If you always have 2 games a day, that means all 10 teams play in a 3 day period, and if it is 2 per day, then the third day you'd only have 1 (unless you have 1 of the teams that played the second day play immediately on some schedules)) - and even then that would still mean teams having 1 day rest sometimes, and almost never more than 2 days - between long days in the hot sun, travelling 100s or 1000s of miles - there would be no time for any sort of training between games because of this, and you'd get tons of injuries.  Also from a cricket going perspective in the country - attendance is already low on week-day games, if you have 2 per day, it would be even lower.

Also, from a tv perspective, some countries only really have 1 channel to show cricket on in a day, or it might be extra for the sports package - it's ok with pyjama hit and giggle to have 2-3 games a day as they can be held consecutively - and it is much less demanding on the body so is much easier to play with only 1 day rest, and you'd still be able to broadcast each one.  Hosting 2 on the same day, every day, as they take 7+ hours each, would be mean each day prioritising one to show and pissing people off - let's say you had India vs Pakistan and England vs Australia at the same time - which do you broadcast? 

Even today, Sky have chosen as their primary game our game, purely because it is England - and the Pakistan vs Sri Lanka relegated to the Mix channel.    Due to how Sky is set up, today they are able to put the Pakistan vs  Sri Lanka on on Sky Mix - but if it was a weekend, with Premier League, Championship, F1, Bundesliga, NFL, RWC all either on  Sky Sports, or on ITV/BBC directly competing - you just wouldn't be able to broadcast fully live both games.

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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #209 on: October 10, 2023, 09:59:50 am »
364/9 (50 ov)

Feels disappointing from the position we were in when Malan and Root were there... but will almost certainly be plenty to defend.
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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #210 on: October 10, 2023, 10:06:21 am »
364/9 (50 ov)

Feels disappointing from the position we were in when Malan and Root were there... but will almost certainly be plenty to defend.

Yeah we hoped for near 400 but everything would have had to go perfectly to get that. As a positive I think it shows it’s not too easy to score quickly on.

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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #211 on: October 10, 2023, 10:35:45 am »
That should be enough. But we'll see

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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #212 on: October 10, 2023, 10:39:15 am »
Still a good score
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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #213 on: October 10, 2023, 10:51:37 am »
14-2

Maybe not as good a batting track as Malan made it look!  Hopefully Woakes can bowl his way into form.

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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #214 on: October 10, 2023, 10:55:47 am »
Topley showing why he probably should have played v NZ as well. 3 early wickets and surely an uphill struggle for Bangladesh from here.

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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #215 on: October 10, 2023, 11:00:23 am »
By my potentially dodgy calculations if we can restrict Bangladesh to about 254 we would get the net run rate back to 0.

Worry about that in 20 overs or so I guess, just keep going first and make sure the game gets won.

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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #216 on: October 10, 2023, 11:00:46 am »
What's Topley like with the red ball? I can't remember.
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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #217 on: October 10, 2023, 11:03:28 am »
Woakes proving the case that he can't bowl anywhere except in England.
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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #218 on: October 10, 2023, 11:29:07 am »
What's Topley like with the red ball? I can't remember.

He doesn't bowl with the red ball very often as he is so injury prone, so other than in 2021, he hasn't been allowed to bowl in more than 4 games since 2013 (in 2021, Surry were allowed to let him play in 7 games as 2020 was a covid year of no cricket, and England decided he was completely surplus to requirements to try and give him the best chance to get fully fit with less pressure).  Even then, being fit and allowed to play for surrey all season, he was only able to be fit enough to play in 7 matches, bowling less than 200 overs combined and only getting 21 wickets at 29.  Then in 2022 and 2023, we picked him again, limiting his role to a white ball player almost entirely to manage fitness (he was allowed to play 3 games in 2022, but none in 2023 in the CC).

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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #219 on: October 10, 2023, 11:30:57 am »
He doesn't bowl with the red ball very often as he is so injury prone, so other than in 2021, he hasn't been allowed to bowl in more than 4 games since 2013 (in 2021, Surry were allowed to let him play in 7 games as 2020 was a covid year of no cricket, and England decided he was completely surplus to requirements to try and give him the best chance to get fully fit with less pressure).  Even then, being fit and allowed to play for surrey all season, he was only able to be fit enough to play in 7 matches, bowling less than 200 overs combined and only getting 21 wickets at 29.  Then in 2022 and 2023, we picked him again, limiting his role to a white ball player almost entirely to manage fitness (he was allowed to play 3 games in 2022, but none in 2023 in the CC).

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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #220 on: October 10, 2023, 11:35:06 am »
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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #221 on: October 10, 2023, 11:41:27 am »
Sri Lanka going great against Pakistan in Hyderabad - 199/2 from 27

Kusal Mendis on 106 from just 69 balls so far
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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #222 on: October 10, 2023, 01:00:24 pm »
Sri Lanka going great against Pakistan in Hyderabad - 199/2 from 27

Kusal Mendis on 106 from just 69 balls so far

Going to be a good chase to watch
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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #223 on: October 10, 2023, 01:14:46 pm »
Going to be a good chase to watch

Potential to be the first close match of the entire WC so far.
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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #224 on: October 10, 2023, 01:21:11 pm »
Potential to be the first close match of the entire WC so far.

The total means they have to start quickly too.
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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #225 on: October 10, 2023, 01:21:33 pm »
Are bangers doing what they did 4 years ago where they make fuck all effort to actually reach the target?

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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #226 on: October 10, 2023, 01:32:48 pm »
Cracking first ball of the tournament there for Livingstone - but really puts the cat amongst the pigeons as you would have assumed he would have been one of the players to miss out when Stokes comes back - only really Brook now who you could drop (unless Stokes is fit enough to 100% bowl 10 overs, he can't replace any Woakes/Rashid/Woods/CurranS/Topley) - whereas it would have been nice to have the option.


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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #227 on: October 10, 2023, 01:39:00 pm »
Yeah, just a bit of a biffer.

Yorky says a good start from Yorkshire. Trying to think of the last quality batsman to have come out of Lancashire (apart from Vaughan!). Probably Atherton…and then Fairbrother. Ridiculous really.

Be interesting to see how Josh Bohannon develops.  Think he’s mid 20’s and ended up top scorer in Div1this season.

Not sure his style is that suited to what England want to do currently. Few others who are the same - James area springs to mind.
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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #228 on: October 10, 2023, 01:57:28 pm »
That's an excellent total by Sri Lanka. There's talk about them being the dark horses.
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« Reply #229 on: October 10, 2023, 02:13:20 pm »
That's an excellent total by Sri Lanka. There's talk about them being the dark horses.

Are they actually going to bother showing this game?

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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #230 on: October 10, 2023, 02:18:20 pm »
How does the RR work for this with regards to table ?
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« Reply #231 on: October 10, 2023, 02:26:45 pm »
Are they actually going to bother showing this game?

Enough pointless interviews now
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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #232 on: October 10, 2023, 02:29:29 pm »
Nice stat (well not nice if you're a Pakistan fan) - That's 1000 balls in powerplays this year without a six for Pakistan, as per broadcast comms
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« Reply #233 on: October 10, 2023, 02:35:39 pm »
How does the RR work for this with regards to table ?

Net run rate so works out the difference of you versus the opposition.

So if you scored 300 off 50 overs (6 an over) and the oppo scored 250 (5 an over), you bet run rate would be +1 and their’s would be -1. Then if you won the next game by +0.5 then your total after two games would drop to +0.75. (I think!…and maybe haven’t explained it as clearly as could).

Not 100% sure what happens if you bowl a team out inside the distance. I think their score is worked out in the assumption they’ve batted the full 50 (but could be wrong). If you bat 2nd and knock the total off inside the distance your run rate is obviously calculated on how many overs you used.

If you end up level on points not sure if they go off NRR or head to head though (which might just have been all you were asking!).

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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #234 on: October 10, 2023, 02:37:13 pm »

Not 100% sure what happens if you bowl a team out inside the distance. I think their score is worked out in the assumption they’ve batted the full 50 (but could be wrong). If you bat 2nd and knock the total off inside the distance your run rate is obviously calculated on how many overs you used.

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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #235 on: October 10, 2023, 02:37:32 pm »
Nice stat (well not nice if you're a Pakistan fan) - That's 1000 balls in powerplays this year without a six for Pakistan, as per broadcast comms

I thought before the tournament that they didn't have enough firepower to win it. That stat is astonishing and just demonstrates their lack of intent early on. Already they're 2 down here with Babar gone, yes they're chasing close to 350 but this pitch is docile and they have the benefit of playing under lights, yet they're already seriously up against it due to a poor start.

 

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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #236 on: October 10, 2023, 02:46:29 pm »
That's an excellent total by Sri Lanka. There's talk about them being the dark horses.

I thought Pakistan were the dark horse for this tournament?  ;D

Really good total from Sri Lanka and Pakistan in trouble early on in the chase

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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #237 on: October 10, 2023, 03:17:03 pm »
Net run rate so works out the difference of you versus the opposition.

So if you scored 300 off 50 overs (6 an over) and the oppo scored 250 (5 an over), you bet run rate would be +1 and their’s would be -1. Then if you won the next game by +0.5 then your total after two games would drop to +0.75. (I think!…and maybe haven’t explained it as clearly as could).

Not 100% sure what happens if you bowl a team out inside the distance. I think their score is worked out in the assumption they’ve batted the full 50 (but could be wrong). If you bat 2nd and knock the total off inside the distance your run rate is obviously calculated on how many overs you used.

If you end up level on points not sure if they go off NRR or head to head though (which might just have been all you were asking!).

Thanks Nick.

Great explanation 😎
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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #238 on: October 10, 2023, 03:35:36 pm »
I thought Pakistan were the dark horse for this tournament?  ;D


They were! I thought their bowling attack looked magnificent.

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Re: Cricket World Cup 2023
« Reply #239 on: October 10, 2023, 03:51:52 pm »
Pakistan need to accelerate a little here
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