Topic: Winning Title #19*

[ScouserAtHeart]

If (when?) the league win is confirmed mathematically, start resting players for the champions league/FA Cup

[rodderzzz]

Everyone can faff about it alll they want but the league is done and dusted. This team is too good to not win 15 of its next 21 games which would be enough to do it, thats even with 6 defeats.

Really hoping we find a way past Villa this week under tough circumstances, I think we'll come through the christmas period 10 odd points clear and everyone will start believing we can win the lot. This is the first team in my lifetime that seems to feed off the pressure and challenge in a positive way, I genuinely believe we could win everything.

[Red Beret]

Get past Villa and I think the entire league will shit a brick. They'll invite Napoli to join the Prem. Never mind Invincibles  - we'll be The Indestructibles. Get me a golden CL trophy!

EDIT: and some will still say we're the worst team ever to get a hundred points 

[Nick110581]

Everyone can faff about it alll they want but the league is done and dusted. This team is too good to not win 15 of its next 21 games which would be enough to do it, thats even with 6 defeats.

Really hoping we find a way past Villa this week under tough circumstances, I think we'll come through the christmas period 10 odd points clear and everyone will start believing we can win the lot. This is the first team in my lifetime that seems to feed off the pressure and challenge in a positive way, I genuinely believe we could win everything.

Not sure progressing against Villa does us any favours.

[DG]

Not sure progressing against Villa does us any favours.

Well, it does in the context of winning another title. Which is the only favour that matters.

[Nick110581]

Well, it does in the context of winning another title. Which is the only favour that matters.

We would have City, United and Everton / Leicester in a 2 leg semi final in an already packed January.

[Mighty Zeus]

Well, it does in the context of winning another title. Which is the only favour that matters.

Hey if we achieve something amazing this season like a league and CL double with over a hundred points do we get a cool nickname from the club's PR team on the lines of 'Fourmidables'? The Mighty Hundred Club Cuntbags or something?

Off the top of my head like

[killer-heels]

We would have City, United and Everton / Leicester in a 2 leg semi final in an already packed January.

Reserve team the shit out of it.

[JC the Messiah]

We would have City, United and Everton / Leicester in a 2 leg semi final in an already packed January.

Great experience for our kids and more fringe players. Adrian will also get some more games.

[rodderzzz]

We would have City, United and Everton / Leicester in a 2 leg semi final in an already packed January.

Yes, that’s what happens when great sides win trophies 🤦🏻‍♂️

[lobsterboy]

I want us to the win the league this year, by goal difference if necessary.
Anything else would just be icing on the top.

[LFC when it suits]

League and FA Cup should be for the kids and second team this season.

[Dave D]

The league cup is a poorly organised competition. Until they actually fix it, it's not something we should be taking seriously anytime soon.

The more successful you are in the cup, the more you're penalised. Not only do you have to play a ridiculous two legged semi-final, but you have to postpone a league game if you make it to the final. With the West Ham game already TBD. No thanks, they can keep their league cup for now.

[50 Pence]

Last season City won 32 games in winning the title.

We're on 16 now so 16 wins from the last 21 should do it. that's 97 points again.

Every game City and Leicester fail to win, that number comes down. What a position to be in before Christmas

[Nick110581]

Yes, that’s what happens when great sides win trophies 🤦🏻‍♂️

Not sure why you would be arsed with it.

The format is shit and we should focus on the CL and League.

[rodderzzz]

Not sure why you would be arsed with it.

The format is shit and we should focus on the CL and League.

We’ll win the lot and it’ll really piss off the rest of the country. I like it when we win things and the rest of the country is fuckin miserable 👍🏻

[killer-heels]

Not sure why you would be arsed with it.

The format is shit and we should focus on the CL and League.

Thing is Kloppo is committed to the CL and the league. He wont risk anything for that and if that means a reserve team then so be it.

[Henry Kissinger]

Well we can all thank Pip if we go on to win the league this season.

“When I arrived here the normal standard was 85 points to win the league; now you almost have to reach 100, and that seems to be what Liverpool are aiming for. We have helped them make that step".



https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/dec/14/pep-guardiola-struggling-manchester-city-liverpool-leicester

[Fordy]

Last season City won 32 games in winning the title.

We're on 16 now so 16 wins from the last 21 should do it. that's 97 points again.

Every game City and Leicester fail to win, that number comes down. What a position to be in before Christmas

And with City & Leicester still to play each other twice the number will automatically come down.

[Red Beret]

League and FA Cup should be for the kids and second team this season.

We don't have a second team now. We have a squad.  Some players feature less than others but they are all equally vital.

[spider-neil]

Newcastle blew an 11 point lead.
Manu blew an 8 point lead.
Liverpool blew a 7 point lead (City hadn't yet played their round of fixtures so not fair to call it a 10 point lead).

It's not done 'till it's done. 22 games and a lot of football still to be played. You want to celebrate, fine, but I'm not celebrated until the trophy is being lifted. Supporting Liverpool has taught me that.

[JC the Messiah]

Newcastle blew an 11 point lead.
Manu blew an 8 point lead.
Liverpool blew a 7 point lead (City hadn't yet played their round of fixtures so not fair to call it a 10 point lead).

It's not done 'till it's done. 22 games and a lot of football still to be played. You want to celebrate, fine, but I'm not celebrated until the trophy is being lifted. Supporting Liverpool has taught me that.

Wouldn't say (m)any are celebrating yet. I'm certainly not, but I'm bloody loving the journey towards the title so far. I plan to enjoy the rest of the season as well.

[Red Beret]

It's like a VAR decision that takes 6 months. Do we celebrate now, or wait for confirmation?

[macmanamanaman]

It's like a VAR decision that takes 6 months. Do we celebrate now, or wait for confirmation?

If it's Martin Atkinson,  then be afraid. Very afraid.

[JC the Messiah]

We've got more points than West Brom who top the championship, and they've played 22 games... that's 5 more than we have played.

Also had a quick look at the form over the last 5 games. City aren't doing very well, and also noticed that my screen wasn't big enough for Arsenal and Chelsea to appear!

[Caligula?]

To be where we are with players like Alisson, Matip and Fabinho out for extended periods of time is a testament to how good this team and squad are. We've started keeping clean sheets again as well. And I don't think we've even hit peak form. Our manager has also been playing blinders with rotation over the last few weeks to keep us fresh for a busy upcoming schedule. You couldn't have planned it better if you sat down and tried to before the beginning of the season.

[LFC when it suits]

Well we can all thank Pip if we go on to win the league this season.

“When I arrived here the normal standard was 85 points to win the league; now you almost have to reach 100, and that seems to be what Liverpool are aiming for. We have helped them make that step".



https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/dec/14/pep-guardiola-struggling-manchester-city-liverpool-leicester

It's the truth though. He did the same in Spain with his Barca team. he raised the bar so high in terms of league points total, but that also motivated the competition to raise their game and eventually out do Pep. Madrid eventually topped Barca's league form and went out to achieve greater things in Europe than Pep could ever dream of. I think we will do the same.

[PaulF]

I think because we have won six already and there are a sprinkling of other replicas with our PL compatriots, I would cherish an undefeated league above a trophy. I know it's trophies that count, but trophies are a symbol of achievement. Undefeated over 38 games is an enormous achievement.  Its far easier to name the only undefeated PL team than it is to name the winners of the European cup, simply because to-date it's a unique achievement.  Winning a CL double would be magnificent a double, again because of scarceness. But I don't think should be so much ridicule for the original question.
We mocked Pep last season for saying the league is harder to win, but in most seasons the team that the won the PL is better than the one that one the cup. There is some weird thing about some teams being better at cup competitions too. But in the whole the league is the metric of the best team in the land ( quite often league winners go deep in the domestic cups, backing this up).
Luckily there's no rule to stop a team going unbeaten and win the cups.
--obviuosly unbeaten and not winning the league is meaningless, but doubt we are ever seeing that.

[Richie69]

So here's the situation:

•   21 games to play, 49 points so far
•   Man City have a maximum of 98 points, Liverpool would need 50 points (17 wins) to win at 2.38 points per game
•   Leicester City have a maximum of 102 points, Liverpool would need 54 (19 wins) points to win at 2.57 points per game
•   As of now Liverpool can drop 9 points from the remaining 63 available and win the title

[oxenstierna]

It's the truth though. He did the same in Spain with his Barca team. he raised the bar so high in terms of league points total, but that also motivated the competition to raise their game and eventually out do Pep. Madrid eventually topped Barca's league form and went out to achieve greater things in Europe than Pep could ever dream of. I think we will do the same.

Its a bit like the nuclear arms race in the cold war if that makes sense

[hesbighesred]

Hey if we achieve something amazing this season like a league and CL double with over a hundred points do we get a cool nickname from the club's PR team on the lines of 'Fourmidables'? The Mighty Hundred Club Cuntbags or something?

Off the top of my head like

The Unkloppables, perhaps.

[JackWard33]

Newcastle blew an 11 point lead

This is basically the most extreme example that’s happened and that Newcastle team was flakey as fuck and hadn’t achieved a thing.
Everything’s possible under the sun but if you look at the context of our situation then it’s as ‘done’ as it ever could be without being finished.
This Liverpool team has been running at 2.65 ppg for 55 league games , recorded the third best points total in league history while winning the European cup and our gap to our only credible challenger is currently 17 points - probably 14 after today but it’s a chasm

There’s just zero evidence we’re going to fall off anything close to how we’d have to not to win it.
We’re talking about losing 5 games in half a season after going a year losing 1 while this ‘no can defence’ version of man city goes perfect.

[royhendo]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/dec/14/pep-guardiola-struggling-manchester-city-liverpool-leicester

Flamin Norah - he really does see us as the benchmark. We are winning this.

[catinthebag]

Well we can all thank Pip if we go on to win the league this season.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/dec/14/pep-guardiola-struggling-manchester-city-liverpool-leicester

Talk about great expectations...

[ScouserAtHeart]

The Unkloppables, perhaps.

The Inevitables

[Linudden]

Unbeaten runs for me happen by accident. No one sets out to go unbeaten. Indeed going unbeaten with 38 draws would of got you relegated in 2002/2003 when West Ham went down with 42 points.

I'd prefer being the all-time points record holder over being unbeaten. Perugia went unbeaten in the Serie A once but lost the title to Milan. Did them little good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978%E2%80%9379_Serie_A

11-19-0 that's insane 

Having said that, for us to reach 100 points, we'd still have to do the equivalent of a 92-point season from here on in so I don't care much about that. Just bring home the trophy and I don't care how.

If City start performing on a "normal champions level" in effect a points average totalling out to 90 across a season from here on in, they'll land at 84. For us to reach 85, we need to perform like a "65-point season". So basically, as long as they don't magically find their form from last year, we should be able to cruise home. That being said, scarred from last spring I'm not ruling out them finishing in the 90's at all.

[Red Beret]

Newcastle were more like us under Rodgers, simply trying to outscore teams with a gung ho, cavalier attitude.

Klopp's Liverpool is more like a mix of the best United and Arsenal sides - a good combination of flair, but with the grit to dig deep for results.

That's why, although it's perfectly possible that we could start to drop points in a big way, you just don't get the impression that we're going to do that

[Garlicbread]

Newcastle were more like us under Rodgers, simply trying to outscore teams with a gung ho, cavalier attitude.

Klopp's Liverpool is more like a mix of the best United and Arsenal sides - a good combination of flair, but with the grit to dig deep for results.

That's why, although it's perfectly possible that we could start to drop points in a big way, you just don't get the impression that we're going to do that

This was also an era were you still had the old mentality of football where you went out for drinks after games and you had the Spice Boys with us.

[PaulF]

Record points total would be nice. Bit if we're a few games away from unbeaten you'd expect us to go less risky.  Actually , no unser klopp we'd being going for goal difference record too.
We are morphing from believers to dreamers.

[Huytonian]

Talk about great expectations...

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