Topic: Brexit - doesn't really seem to be a very good idea does it? (*)

[SP]

Its a bit like if my auntie had balls etc. People had the chance to vote and the result was the result. Nothing can be done about it. What happened to the people who didn't vote? 60+ million people live in the UK, 46 million people on the register and 33 million voted.

It is just like the Trump situation. I was listening to someone the other day talking about over 100k people didn't vote this time in a certain area who voted in the last election. An African American woman said she didn't vote for Hillary because she is a woman. You get the government you deserve.

But why can nothing be done about it? The referendum result based on that question is not a mandate for May's plan. Just because Cameron was a lazy arsehole who screwed up the question, and failed to offer any clarity as to what Leave would mean. The public has not given any informed consent. The referendum result is not carte blanche to a Tory Government elected on a Remain manifesto.

The Tories need to be constantly challenged. The British public have not given a mandate for this cause of action. 

[Banquo's Ghost]

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Foreign Secretary, Britain's chief diplomat, laying the ground for these complex negotiations.

The Foreign Secretary appeared to liken French president Francois Hollande to a Second World War German general, in the fallout from Theresa May’s plan for leaving the EU.

Speaking in India, Mr Johnson said: “If Mr Hollande wants to administer punishment beatings to anybody who seeks to escape [the EU], in the manner of some world war two movie, I don’t think that is the way forward, and it’s not in the interests of our friends and partners.

Silver-tongued charmer. It's a good job the French didn't suffer any such things in the past.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-french-president-francois-hollande-nazi-brexit-eu-a7532981.html

[oldfordie]

Its a bit like if my auntie had balls etc. People had the chance to vote and the result was the result. Nothing can be done about it. What happened to the people who didn't vote? 60+ million people live in the UK, 46 million people on the register and 33 million voted.

It is just like the Trump situation. I was listening to someone the other day talking about over 100k people didn't vote this time in a certain area who voted in the last election. An African American woman said she didn't vote for Hillary because she is a woman. You get the government you deserve.

It's nothing like the Trump situation, millions may not want Trump as president but the vote was clear, people knew exactly what they were voting on, Clinton or Trump. people didn't vote Trump and get Ted Cruz and get told you voted for a republican candidate and that's what you've got.
The majority of voters did not vote for this Brexit, that is a fact. so the Torys have no right to impose it on the country.

[Dr. Beaker]

Its a bit like if my auntie had balls etc. People had the chance to vote and the result was the result. Nothing can be done about it. What happened to the people who didn't vote? 60+ million people live in the UK, 46 million people on the register and 33 million voted.

It is just like the Trump situation. I was listening to someone the other day talking about over 100k people didn't vote this time in a certain area who voted in the last election. An African American woman said she didn't vote for Hillary because she is a woman. You get the government you deserve.

Choosing between Trump and Clinton is very different from choosing between Brexit and Remain. No-one could be in any doubt at all as to exactly what they were going to get when they voted for either Trump or Clinton (or Remain, for that matter).

[redbyrdz]

Its a bit like if my auntie had balls etc. People had the chance to vote and the result was the result. Nothing can be done about it. What happened to the people who didn't vote? 60+ million people live in the UK, 46 million people on the register and 33 million voted.

It is just like the Trump situation. I was listening to someone the other day talking about over 100k people didn't vote this time in a certain area who voted in the last election. An African American woman said she didn't vote for Hillary because she is a woman. You get the government you deserve.

I don't get that. The whole point of electing a government is that you can change it. Otherwise we could just go back to accepting the divine authority of a born monarch.

Additionally, the referendum was advisory. There is nothing stopping those in power from saying. 'Thanks, we listened to your opinion,  but we are not going to implement it.'


Someone should have the balls to say that Brexit is a shite idea and is not going to happen.

[Cliff Bastin]

I don't get that. The whole point of electing a government is that you can change it. Otherwise we could just go back to accepting the divine authority of a born monarch.

Additionally, the referendum was advisory. There is nothing stopping those in power from saying. 'Thanks, we listened to your opinion,  but we are not going to implement it.'


Someone should have the balls to say that Brexit is a shite idea and is not going to happen.

But it is going to happen though. When I said you get the government you deserve, I also include the referendum result. 44+ million registered voters and only 33 million people voted. Something went seriously wrong or those people just weren't taking the referendum serious enough. If those people had voted and I presume a great many of them would have voted remain, this wouldn't be happening.

As it is a serious issue for the Labour party and those who vote Labour, why didn't they get rid of a Pro Brexit leader and get in a Pro remain leader to challenge the Tories on the issue? Why did the Labour membership stick with someone who has no intention of challenging Brexit itself. Owen Smith who challenged him said he would implement another referendum if he was leader and Labour formed the next government.

It is too little too late now. Corbyn is sticking around it seems, the Tories have a big enough majority and Labour MPs don't seem united enough on the issue.

[Rastas]

Is the term bed-wetters appropriate for most in this thread or are we really on the verge of the worst thing happening in the history of mankind.

Think some people need to take a step back and go for a walk, picnic or something. It's the stress that kills you.

[Millie]

Is the term bed-wetters appropriate for most in this thread or are we really on the verge of the worst thing happening in the history of mankind.

Think some people need to take a step back and go for a walk, picnic or something. It's the stress that kills you.

This is probably the most important issue to affect the UK in my lifetime.  It is going to be disastrous.

In the original campaign, the Leave faction, lied to the voting public.  The Tories are now going off on their own tangent, totally ignoring what is right for the country, and indeed, what many leavers voted for.  Norway  was constantly mentioned during the campaign, by the Leave campaigners.  So what remit does May have to do what she is now proposing?  What?

This issue has to potential to damage the UK for many years to come, if not decades.

[Thush]

I don't get that. The whole point of electing a government is that you can change it. Otherwise we could just go back to accepting the divine authority of a born monarch.

Additionally, the referendum was advisory. There is nothing stopping those in power from saying. 'Thanks, we listened to your opinion,  but we are not going to implement it.'

Someone should have the balls to say that Brexit is a shite idea and is not going to happen.

They don't even need to say that they are not going to implement it, only that they investigated it and couldn't find a way of exiting in a way that would make the nation better.

[Red-Soldier]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38658998

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson has warned EU leaders not to give the UK "punishment beatings" for Brexit "in the manner of some World War Two movie".

The foreign secretary said penalising "escape" was "not in the interests of our friends and our partners".

 

[Libertine]

@WYeates
On #r4today David Davis said the civil service had coped with WW2 so could cope with #Brexit. I found this graph.



https://twitter.com/WYeates/status/821687098629570564

[Commie Bobbie]

No ones has died because of Brexit, a lot of people died in Iraq. But in all honesty it's apples and oranges at best though.

Someone got murdered on the way to this shitpoint - and the way things are going I'd say it's evens what direction the country goes.

Is the term bed-wetters appropriate for most in this thread or are we really on the verge of the worst thing happening in the history of mankind.

Think some people need to take a step back and go for a walk, picnic or something. It's the stress that kills you.

History teaches that insular behaviour never has a happy ending.

[oldfordie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38658998

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson has warned EU leaders not to give the UK "punishment beatings" for Brexit "in the manner of some World War Two movie".

The foreign secretary said penalising "escape" was "not in the interests of our friends and our partners".

 

WW1 seems more appropriate.
Torys acting like WW1 generals screaming over the top, cowards. over the top

How can the EU penalize us, the voters who voted to leave the SM were told when we leave the EU we will be far better off as we can make all those fantastic deals straight away. I take that to mean theres nothing the EU can do to stop us having a successful Brexit.
He is admitting we are throwing ourselves at the mercy of the EU. we heard nothing about this before the referendum did we. he was talking about how scared the EU would be to impose tariffs on our French knickers and Gateau. lying bas....

[west_london_red]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38658998

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson has warned EU leaders not to give the UK "punishment beatings" for Brexit "in the manner of some World War Two movie".

The foreign secretary said penalising "escape" was "not in the interests of our friends and our partners".

 

Fuck me, how is this clown even allowed to walk the streets never mind hold a position in government?

Maybe we could reform the wartime alliance with the Americans and Russians too as they seem to be pretty much on the same side these days.

[nick_8589]

Is the term bed-wetters appropriate for most in this thread or are we really on the verge of the worst thing happening in the history of mankind.

Think some people need to take a step back and go for a walk, picnic or something. It's the stress that kills you.

I isolation it's bad  but combine brexit with a trump presidency and possibly la penn taking power or just more influence in France and everything that putin is up to plus the Middle East being the powder keg that it is, you're looking at all the ingredients for something catastrophic, that's not factoring China getting more and more pissed off with trump

[Red-Soldier]

Is the term bed-wetters appropriate for most in this thread or are we really on the verge of the worst thing happening in the history of mankind.

Think some people need to take a step back and go for a walk, picnic or something. It's the stress that kills you.

Well versed on history are you? 

Are you familiar with any EU legislation and the benefits they have brought to the UK?

Nationalism is never a good thing, and looking at the bigger picture, with everything else happening right now, it could be seriously seriously bad!

[oldfordie]

Is the term bed-wetters appropriate for most in this thread or are we really on the verge of the worst thing happening in the history of mankind.

Think some people need to take a step back and go for a walk, picnic or something. It's the stress that kills you.

Yeah, we heard that talk when Maggie smashed the unions and put millions on the dole, now we have low pay and no pensions. you fight to protect your interests.

[west_london_red]

Is the term bed-wetters appropriate for most in this thread or are we really on the verge of the worst thing happening in the history of mankind.

Think some people need to take a step back and go for a walk, picnic or something. It's the stress that kills you.

I would have to agree. There is a ridiculous level of hyperbole going on in this thread.

[TepidT2O]

History teaches that insular behaviour never has a happy ending.

One quote that sums up the whole stupidity of Brexit & Trump for me.

Isolationism has never ever lead to good outcomes....

[Libertine]

The Flight of the Bankers begins....

https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/821660014150565889

[west_london_red]

One quote that sums up the whole stupidity of Brexit & Trump for me.

Isolationism has never ever lead to good outcomes....

Really depends what you mean by Isolationism, as in the context of Brexit its a pretty unique case.

[west_london_red]

The Flight of the Bankers begins....

https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/821660014150565889

That must have been the small silver lining I was looking for!

[TravisBickle]

As an aside, I hope all those all knowing business leaders who condemned Ed Miliband for being "anti-business" are suitably excited for Article 50 being triggered. Maybe they could write another cute little letter to The Telegraph to tell us how great the Tories are for business?

 The arrogance is mind blowing.

[Cliff Bastin]

I would have to agree. There is a ridiculous level of hyperbole going on in this thread.

People will eventually get used to it. That is what happens in life, people adapt and it becomes the norm.

[Red Viper]

I don't get that. The whole point of electing a government is that you can change it. Otherwise we could just go back to accepting the divine authority of a born monarch.

Additionally, the referendum was advisory. There is nothing stopping those in power from saying. 'Thanks, we listened to your opinion,  but we are not going to implement it.'


Someone should have the balls to say that Brexit is a shite idea and is not going to happen.

But there's no way the current government is going to do that because a large part of the electorate would completely turn on them, and they care far more about winning elections and keeping power than actually doing what's best for the country.

[west_london_red]

As an aside, I hope all those all knowing business leaders who condemned Ed Miliband for being "anti-business" are suitably excited for Article 50 being triggered. Maybe they could write another cute little letter to The Telegraph to tell us how great the Tories are for business?

 The arrogance is mind blowing.

Further cuts to corporation tax will soften the blow I am sure.

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

People will eventually get used to it. That is what happens in life, people adapt and it becomes the norm.

And it keeps going to the right, until we need to change it, only we can't because we've given up all our power due to getting used to it and adapting.


Brexit is very serious and very detrimental.

[Crumble]

The Flight of the Bankers begins....

https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/821660014150565889

Yes. All the investment banks will be moving their European headquarters. It remains to be seen how many staff will stay in the London offices.

[ShakaHislop]

This is a course that's occurred to me in my what-would-I-do reveries.  The downside is it would absolutely finish me in public life.  While that's a price I'd gladly pay, I'm a daydreaming nobody and she's a tory career politician who'd need to drag a cats-in-a-sack europhobe party along behind her.

What's the position with fixed-term parliaments btw?  Are we locked into this government until 2020 (i.e. after the two years)?  Well done Lib Dems if so, fucking masterstroke there.Oh man.  Every consensual mutual-benefit euro treaty negotiation I can remember has been reported here like it's a reënactment of Waterloo.  I cannot even imagine how this one's going to go.

If 2/3'rds of Parliament turn against May, then a general election is called straight away. Alternatively, if an ordinary majority pass a vote of no confidence, the Government has 14 days to save its skin before an election is called.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/14/section/2

[Cliff Bastin]

And it keeps going to the right, until we need to change it, only we can't because we've given up all our power due to getting used to it and adapting.


Brexit is very serious and very detrimental.

It isn't a left or right issue if you have prominent left wing MPs in the Labour party supporting it. The political diagram has changed dramatically.

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

It isn't a left or right issue if you have prominent left wing MPs in the Labour party supporting it. The political diagram has changed dramatically.

Brexit has given the right the mandate to go much further to the right and they will keep doing so.

[Libertine]

It isn't a left or right issue if you have prominent left wing MPs in the Labour party supporting it. The political diagram has changed dramatically.

The EU has always been opposed by the far left and the far right. In every country.

Problem is the right have taken over the moderates and centrists in the Tory Party and Labour is MIA.

[Party Phil]

Brexit is very serious and very mental.

Can't argue with that

[redbyrdz]

People will eventually get used to it. That is what happens in life, people adapt and it becomes the norm.

Yeah, you can get used to all sorts of shit.

People get used to living in war-torn countries, under tyrannic governments or in total poverty too. That doesn't mean that its in any way desirable.

[Red-Soldier]

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/01/18/brexit-books/

Top 10 #Brexit children’s books – your complete guide

These are genius 

[Cliff Bastin]

Yeah, you can get used to all sorts of shit.

People get used to living in war-torn countries, under tyrannic governments or in total poverty too. That doesn't mean that its in any way desirable.

False equivalency to be fair. The country will have no choice but to make it work as it is going to happen anyway. The only option is to make it work. Article 50 looks like being triggered in March and negotiations will then start. Once that happens, it is over as far as the UK remaining in the EU and the single market.

[killer-heels]

False equivalency to be fair. The country will have no choice but to make it work as it is going to happen anyway. The only option is to make it work. Article 50 looks like being triggered in March and negotiations will then start. Once that happens, it is over as far as the UK remaining in the EU and the single market.

Making it work is as patronising as when Leavers and Remainers say we need to unite. What does that even mean? I will continue to call Leavers a bunch of c*nts should i wish. Or i will continue to not give a shit and instead just live my life. Or ill just leave the country.

[redbyrdz]

False equivalency to be fair. The country will have no choice but to make it work as it is going to happen anyway. The only option is to make it work. Article 50 looks like being triggered in March and negotiations will then start. Once that happens, it is over as far as the UK remaining in the EU and the single market.

Why is the only option to make it work? Nothing has happened yet. Just say no.

[Cliff Bastin]

Making it work is as patronising as when Leavers and Remainers say we need to unite. What does that even mean? I will continue to call Leavers a bunch of c*nts should i wish. Or i will continue to not give a shit and instead just live my life. Or ill just leave the country.

Do what you want. Doesn't change anything to insult people who voted. You would be better insulting the people who didn't vote as that is what cost remain.

[killer-heels]

Do what you want. Doesn't change anything to insult people who voted. You would be better insulting the people who didn't vote as that is what cost remain.

Yeah. Insult the people who we dont know are racists rather than the ones we know who are.