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How do we think the UK Will do - Assuming Brexit happens (Hard or Soft..)

Things will be brilliant from the word go and will get better every week!
Things will start off a bit dodgy, but over time things gradually improve and get better
Things will start off dodgy and remain that way for the forseeable future
Things will start off dodgy and then decline slightly with things getting a bit worse
Complete clusterfuck from start to finish

Author Topic: Brexit - doesn't really seem to be a very good idea does it? (*)  (Read 870584 times)

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Re: Brexit - What would those in power get out of it? The Fallout Thread..
« Reply #2160 on: January 17, 2017, 09:44:23 pm »
With the common travel area between ROI and UK being retained they will be setting a precedent for Scotland to have the same should it vote for Independence.

If the economy tanks post Brexit people in the North of Ireland the people there will look South and given the inevitable demographic shift from a Unionist to Nationalist majority in the near future Brexit net effect in the North will could be to speed up the transition to a unified island of Ireland.

The thing is Unionist will only have themselves to blame, the turkeys that voted for Christmas

Aren't they only looking at that because of the shared land border? Scotland doesn't share a land border with any part of the EU
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Re: Brexit - What would those in power get out of it? The Fallout Thread..
« Reply #2161 on: January 17, 2017, 09:45:10 pm »
Aren't they only looking at that because of the shared land border? Scotland doesn't share a land border with any part of the EU
If they became independent and then part of the eu, then it would be an issue..
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Re: Brexit - What would those in power get out of it? The Fallout Thread..
« Reply #2162 on: January 17, 2017, 09:46:36 pm »
Aren't they only looking at that because of the shared land border? Scotland doesn't share a land border with any part of the EU

If Scotland leave and join the EU it'll be an issue

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Re: Brexit - What would those in power get out of it? The Fallout Thread..
« Reply #2163 on: January 17, 2017, 09:47:20 pm »
Aren't they only looking at that because of the shared land border? Scotland doesn't share a land border with any part of the EU

Yes but an independent Scotland would certainly either try to join the EU, or the EEA (including freedom of movement) so suddenly rUK would have another land border with the EU or a country with freedom of movement with the EU. Unionists have tried to argue that this would mean there would have to be a hard border between England and Scotland.

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« Reply #2164 on: January 17, 2017, 09:48:14 pm »
You mean a common travel area between an independent EU-member Scotland and England?

Interesting  ;D
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« Reply #2165 on: January 17, 2017, 09:49:56 pm »
Unionists have tried to argue that this would mean there would have to be a hard border between England and Scotland.

There already is one, Hadrian built it. Needs a bit of work in a few areas but shouldn't take too long.

If we rebuilt it would we get the Scots to pay for it? Seems all the rage now
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« Reply #2166 on: January 17, 2017, 09:51:56 pm »
You mean a common travel area between an independent EU-member Scotland and England?

Interesting  ;D

Personally I think that Scotland in the event of independence now will not try to join the EU until the rUK has a trade deal with the EU as it would be imposing tariffs on by far our largest export market (rUK), but would certainly try to join EEA/EFTA including free movement of people.  The border posts argument has now pretty much been blown out the water given the Ireland situation.

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« Reply #2167 on: January 17, 2017, 09:53:43 pm »
There already is one, Hadrian built it. Needs a bit of work in a few areas but shouldn't take too long.

If we rebuilt it would we get the Scots to pay for it? Seems all the rage now

I'd be happy for us to pay for it, if it means we take the large chunks of Northumberland and Cumbria that are north of it with us  ;D


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« Reply #2168 on: January 17, 2017, 09:57:12 pm »
I'd be happy for us to pay for it, if it means we take the large chunks of Northumberland and Cumbria that are north of it with us  ;D



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« Reply #2169 on: January 17, 2017, 09:58:34 pm »
I'd be happy for us to pay for it, if it means we take the large chunks of Northumberland and Cumbria that are north of it with us  ;D



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« Reply #2170 on: January 17, 2017, 09:58:40 pm »
I'd be happy for us to pay for it, if it means we take the large chunks of Northumberland and Cumbria that are north of it with us  ;D



They won't be happy about that, they voted leave.

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« Reply #2171 on: January 17, 2017, 10:01:08 pm »
They won't be happy about that, they voted leave.



And they will be leaving, just not leaving what they thought they were leaving
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« Reply #2172 on: January 17, 2017, 10:01:31 pm »
They won't be happy about that, they voted leave.



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I prefer maintaining our 100% remain record.  ;D

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Re: Brexit - What would those in power get out of it? The Fallout Thread..
« Reply #2173 on: January 17, 2017, 10:03:42 pm »
I'd be happy for us to pay for it, if it means we take the large chunks of Northumberland and Cumbria that are north of it with us  ;D


Och ay the noo. cannae not build wee wall just south of Liverpool
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« Reply #2174 on: January 17, 2017, 10:05:40 pm »
Och ay the noo. cannae not build wee wall just south of Liverpool

Please think about us Wools on the other side.  :-\
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« Reply #2175 on: January 17, 2017, 10:05:55 pm »
Och ay the noo. cannae not build wee wall just south of Liverpool

I'd gladly take Liverpool as an enclave within England, a bit like Gibraltar.

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« Reply #2176 on: January 17, 2017, 10:05:57 pm »
The parliament vote means nothing its just a gimmick. 
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« Reply #2177 on: January 17, 2017, 10:05:58 pm »
Och ay the noo. cannae not build wee wall just south of Liverpool

'Greater Scotland' with the southern border along the M62
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« Reply #2178 on: January 17, 2017, 10:14:14 pm »
For Scotland to get another referendum and for it to be legal it requires Westminster to sign it off so to speak. Not a hope that they will allow another referendum during the Brexit process. Nicola Sturgeon should be aware of this.

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« Reply #2179 on: January 17, 2017, 10:15:31 pm »
The parliament vote means nothing its just a gimmick. 

Of course it means something. It means Brexit that the tories will make the whole parliament formally complicit in approving whatever shit deal Boris and chums get because the alternative (no deal and trade on WTO terms) will be so unpalatable that nobody will vote against them.
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« Reply #2180 on: January 17, 2017, 10:16:28 pm »
'Greater Scotland' with the southern border along the M62
Aye. it's boss isn't it.
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« Reply #2181 on: January 17, 2017, 10:16:39 pm »
For Scotland to get another referendum and for it to be legal it requires Westminster to sign it off so to speak. Not a hope that they will allow another referendum during the Brexit process. Nicola Sturgeon should be aware of this.

I'm not sure. I see where you are coming from but it would be politically dangerous for the Tories (or any Westminster government for that matter) to deny a referendum. Even Ruth Davidson and David Mundell have said that Westminster should/would not block a referendum.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/03/ruth-davidson-next-pm-should-not-block-scottish-independence-ref/

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-government-would-not-block-a-scots-vote-l0wsqr33s

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« Reply #2182 on: January 17, 2017, 10:17:50 pm »
All these Brexiteers who think we can replace the single market with trade deals with other countries around the world need a geography lesson.

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« Reply #2183 on: January 17, 2017, 10:18:07 pm »
Aye. it's boss isn't it.

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« Reply #2184 on: January 17, 2017, 10:18:22 pm »
I'd gladly take Liverpool as an enclave within England, a bit like Gibraltar.

It really would be like going back to the good old days. We'd win the league every year ;D
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« Reply #2185 on: January 17, 2017, 10:19:06 pm »
Of course it means something. It means Brexit that the tories will make the whole parliament formally complicit in approving whatever shit deal Boris and chums get because the alternative (no deal and trade on WTO terms) will be so unpalatable that nobody will vote against them.

I think she only said it because she knows they have lost the high court case.
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« Reply #2186 on: January 17, 2017, 10:19:19 pm »
I'd gladly take Liverpool as an enclave within England, a bit like Gibraltar.

No fucking way are LFC joining the SPL.

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« Reply #2187 on: January 17, 2017, 10:20:55 pm »
Europe breaking up might lead to some interesting eventualities.
Brexit put the crack in the dam, just a matter of time now.

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« Reply #2188 on: January 17, 2017, 10:21:43 pm »
No fucking way are LFC joining the SPL.

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« Reply #2189 on: January 17, 2017, 10:22:33 pm »
Brexit put the crack in the dam, just a matter of time now.

Not sure, brexit might be what makes the EU27 pull together, especially if they see us suffer
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« Reply #2190 on: January 17, 2017, 10:23:24 pm »
I'm not sure. I see where you are coming from but it would be politically dangerous for the Tories (or any Westminster government for that matter) to deny a referendum. Even Ruth Davidson and David Mundell have said that Westminster should/would not block a referendum.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/03/ruth-davidson-next-pm-should-not-block-scottish-independence-ref/

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But then you are talking about secession illegally if it came to that.

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« Reply #2191 on: January 17, 2017, 10:25:59 pm »
I'd be happy for us to pay for it, if it means we take the large chunks of Northumberland and Cumbria that are north of it with us  ;D



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« Reply #2192 on: January 17, 2017, 10:26:44 pm »
But then you are talking about secession illegally if it came to that.

How? Where did I say that? I was making the argument that it was unlikely that Westminster would deny a referendum.

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« Reply #2193 on: January 17, 2017, 10:28:38 pm »
No fucking way are LFC joining the SPL.
True, we will probably have to enter 3 rd division first and work our way up
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« Reply #2194 on: January 17, 2017, 10:32:47 pm »
How? Where did I say that? I was making the argument that it was unlikely that Westminster would deny a referendum.
They aren't going to give them a legally binding one at this moment in time are they? I think they would deny them although I might be wrong but I think they will just say you had a very recent vote and that was it.

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« Reply #2195 on: January 17, 2017, 10:36:22 pm »
They aren't going to give them a legally binding one at this moment in time are they? I think they would deny them although I might be wrong but I think they will just say you had a very recent vote and that was it.

I'm inclined to disagree going by evidence posted above. There is no way the SNP in it's current form will go for UDI. They have committed to only going for independence with a referendum win.

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« Reply #2196 on: January 17, 2017, 10:40:46 pm »
Oh the irony of using the term 'Global Britain' in that speech. What a misnomer. Should have footnoted with the reality: We want your money via exports and trade, we just don't want you coming here for non-tourist purposes.

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« Reply #2197 on: January 17, 2017, 10:41:12 pm »
Sorry if this has been posted already but did May really say this today?  :o

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« Reply #2198 on: January 17, 2017, 10:42:36 pm »
It's all fine, and old man from Boston on the news says we're Great Britain and we'll be Great again.

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« Reply #2199 on: January 17, 2017, 10:49:19 pm »
It's all fine, and old man from Boston on the news says we're Great Britain and we'll be Great again.

Phew, panic over everyone!
Watched that myself, everything's going to carry on as normal and they need us more than we need them, I dont think he follows the news that much.
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