Topic: Never mind 'Stop the Boats' - STOP THE TORIES

[Dr. Beaker]

Hardy counts as news, though. What's happening with Labour!?

[Jiminy Cricket]

Brother.

[oldfordie]

Sorry OF, I've phrased it badly, I can't accuse him of not defending their right to strike, as he wasn't asked that question, but he categorically disagreed with their strike against fire and rehire. Personally, I wouldn't defend him.
His reply didn't have even have any nuance, any reference to the negotiation table it was just an angry shouty NO.  I watched it live and it shocked it me.

Peace and Love.

I can understand the anger Kenny. Lammys response was poor, he has admitted he was wrong so I don't think any harms been done.
What pisses me off most is him commenting on a Industrial dispute strike without knowing the full details. that's something that many strikers went through all the time in the past, people arguing with you over why you were on strike based on what they had read in the newspaper. I hope he has learned a lesson.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

As Black Bull Nova says in the Labour thread - these Labour discussions should be in there. I've moved a couple of mine there.

[TepidT2O]

Anyway, latest polls show that the tories have dipped inthe polls again ..

Honeymoon over?  Maybe

[west_london_red]

Anyway, latest polls show that the tories have dipped inthe polls again ..

Honeymoon over?  Maybe

Honeymoon? It lasted about as long as a one night stand

[McSquared]

https://mobile.twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1592202085189156869

LAB: 50% (+1)
CON: 26% (-2)
LDEM: 9% (-2)
GRN: 5% (+1)

[TepidT2O]

Honeymoon? It lasted about as long as a one night stand

3 minutes?

[west_london_red]

https://mobile.twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1592202085189156869

LAB: 50% (+1)
CON: 26% (-2)
LDEM: 9% (-2)
GRN: 5% (+1)

Wait til after the budget on Thursday, reckon it it will be even worse for the Tories

[Dr. Beaker]

Wait til after the budget on Thursday, reckon it it will be even worse for the Tories

Good point.

[TepidT2O]

Wait til after the budget on Thursday, reckon it it will be even worse for the Tories

The mail will hail it as a true Thatcherite budget…

[Red Beret]

Wait til after the budget on Thursday, reckon it it will be even worse for the Tories

Aye. They're boxed in and will have to make a lot of shitty decisions that can only make them even more unpopular (if that's even possible).

[thaddeus]

The mail will hail it as a true Thatcherite budget…

Senior Tories still quoting things Thatcher said in the 1980s in 2022 says a lot about them.  As does our idiotic press getting themselves in a tizzy because of it.  As much as Brexit and Johnson swung some previous Labour voters to the dark side I'm quite sure that even the mention of Thatcher will swing a lot of them back.

[killer-heels]

Wait til after the budget on Thursday, reckon it it will be even worse for the Tories

It won’t until people actually see their pay reduce.

[TSC]

Government reading the mood correctly again as Cleverly prepares for his freebie jaunt to the World Cup.

https://news.sky.com/story/foreign-secretary-james-cleverly-to-visit-qatar-for-world-cup-amid-calls-for-boycott-12747735

[PaulF]

It won’t until people actually see their pay reduce.

Agree. I doubt they can do anything significant enough to dent the interest rate rises either.

The best economic news I've seen this month is the fed outlook that they think they've got the worst rises in the rear view mirror. Or words to that effect. Hopefully we are approaching the peak. Although still bloody painful.

[TSC]

Jobless rate creeping up and vacancies falling.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63624996

[redbyrdz]

Jobless rate creeping up and vacancies falling.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63624996

Consequence of increased costs to businesses? Just not possible to pay for more staff, even if needed?

[thaddeus]

So Kier starter admits labours immigration policy is basically the same as the tories the same tories who have been slated for there immigration stance. Shameful.

Use the Labour thread!

[ianburns252]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63526167.amp

It would presumably be this - KS saying we should be training and recruiting more of our own rather than being reliant on overseas recruitment.

Not even slightly in line with the Tories views on immigration

[So… Howard Philips]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63526167.amp

It would presumably be this - KS saying we should be training and recruiting more of our own rather than being reliant on overseas recruitment.

Not even slightly in line with the Tories views on immigration

But, but, Keith……or something.

[Kenny's Jacket]

So Kier starter admits labours immigration policy is basically the same as the tories the same tories who have been slated for there immigration stance. Shameful.

I dont think Starmer plans on deporting them to Rwanda or delaying the processing to create an enemy and a problem to fix.

Id like to see the ability to apply for Asylum outside the country, but I dont see the policies as the same.

Not radical enough, sure, but not the same.

[stewil007]

He won’t but he’s admitted himself him and the tories are very similar he’s already gone all nationalistic and patriotic and he’s a proven liar so we will see what happens but he’s already in his previous job opened 24 hour courts and jailed people for stealing a bottle of water and he also wants harsher punishments for protestors haha what a true man of the working class he is

I'll take a comma and a fullstop for 3 please Bob.

[Lusty]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63526167.amp

It would presumably be this - KS saying we should be training and recruiting more of our own rather than being reliant on overseas recruitment.

Not even slightly in line with the Tories views on immigration

I knew full well what it was going to be

[lobsterboy]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63526167.amp

It would presumably be this - KS saying we should be training and recruiting more of our own rather than being reliant on overseas recruitment.

Not even slightly in line with the Tories views on immigration

Almost as if the words came straight out Bravermans mouth! 

[Kenny's Jacket]

He won’t but he’s admitted himself him and the tories are very similar he’s already gone all nationalistic and patriotic and he’s a proven liar so we will see what happens but he’s already in his previous job opened 24 hour courts and jailed people for stealing a bottle of water and he also wants harsher punishments for protestors haha what a true man of the working class he is

So hes not planning on using Rwanda . So not the same.
Can you tell me where

he’s admitted himself him and the tories are very similar

.

I'd be surprised, given his current raison d'etre is to "not be the Tories."

The Courts and Tribunals Service, wrongly IMO, asked for harsher punishment for crimes during the riots, can we legitimately blame Starmer for that?

[Lusty]

So hes not planning on using Rwanda . So not the same.
Can you tell me where .

I'd be surprised, given his current raison d'etre is to "not be the Tories."

The Courts and Tribunals Service, wrongly IMO, asked for harsher punishment for crimes during the riots, can we legitimately blame Starmer for that?

He did say in a radio interview a few weeks ago:

“Now we don’t have free movement any more, then you either have a pure numbers game or you have a points-based system that says ‘well, for certain types of jobs, certain types of roles here, you would get a number of points’. I think that makes sense.

“So, in that sense, not a great deal between the major parties on immigration.

It's been seized out of context a bit though, clumsy wording perhaps but he goes on to list all of the ways in which his policy is different to the Tories, including the Rwanda policy.

You can hear it in context here from 24:15:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA8gg08kkok

[Studgotelli]

Just seen the £ is at $1.187  nowhere to be seen on the news though…

[Kenny's Jacket]

He did say in a radio interview a few weeks ago:It's been seized out of context a bit though, clumsy wording perhaps but he goes on to list all of the ways in which his policy is different to the Tories, including the Rwanda policy.

You can hear it in context here from 24:15:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA8gg08kkok

Thanks for the link

So again they are not the same.
Im not a great fan of Starmer and cant really be arsed spending all day defending him, but it gets on my nerves when people use shite arguments.

Im not shooting the messenger here btw

[stewil007]

Thanks for the link

So again they are not the same.
Im not a great fan of Starmer and cant really be arsed spending all day defending him, but it gets on my nerves when people use shite arguments.

Im not shooting the messenger here btw

Its the same as 'All politicians are the same' argument, as though thats a reason not to bring in a new party and stick with the incumbent.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Yeah, agree.  There is plenty about Starmer that makes me uneasy but this kind of thing is just arguing in bad faith.

The bottle of water thing was a new one to me though

During the riots and looting in 2011 there was a directive to be tougher on crimes that were related to the riots.

So if someone stole from a shop that had been smashed up, it was a harsher punishment than general shoplifting.

[killer-heels]

Pru Leith's Nazi son (she is also a Nazi) on Politics Live. Chats utter shite.

[Lusty]

During the riots and looting in 2011 there was a directive to be tougher on crimes that were related to the riots.

So if someone stole from a shop that had been smashed up, it was a harsher punishment than general shoplifting.

Yeah, I was just trying to find the backstory.  It turned out that the guy pleaded guilty to the police and was sentenced by a magistrate, had nothing to do with the CPS let alone Starmer.  Another lie.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Yeah, I was just trying to find the backstory.  It turned out that the guy pleaded guilty to the police and was sentenced by a magistrate, had nothing to do with the CPS let alone Starmer.  Another lie.

Its a new one for me, no idea if he would have been responsible for this harsh policy or not.

[Studgotelli]

Just seen the £ is at $1.187  nowhere to be seen on the news though…

Now 1.20!!

[thaddeus]

Now 1.20!!

Back at the dizzying heights not seen since... August 2022.  Still the lowest it's been since 1985 (and a very brief period at the start of the pandemic when Johnson tried to play chicken with Covid-19).

If nothing else though it may give the BoE a bit of wriggle room and let them raise the base rate a bit less than was previously the case.

[Studgotelli]

Back at the dizzying heights not seen since... August 2022.  Still the lowest it's been since 1985 (and a very brief period at the start of the pandemic when Johnson tried to play chicken with Covid-19).

If nothing else though it may give the BoE a bit of wriggle room and let them raise the base rate a bit less than was previously the case.

Ha yeah in the grand scheme of things a long way still to go!

[Kalito]

My cousins wife (whose a dentist) and my mates sister (whose an actual doctor) both now do more Botox work then actually what they are trained for because it’s more money, less stress, chose your own hours etc

The doctors I work with (outside of NHS - GPs, Orthos, Neurosurgeons, ENTs, Dentist, Psychs) are doing exactly that - private work, and are doing half the hours of their primary work and are absolutely raking it in.

[rob1966]

Back at the dizzying heights not seen since... August 2022.  Still the lowest it's been since 1985 (and a very brief period at the start of the pandemic when Johnson tried to play chicken with Covid-19).

If nothing else though it may give the BoE a bit of wriggle room and let them raise the base rate a bit less than was previously the case.

$2.05 when we went to Florida in 2007, $1.27 by the time we went back in 2017.

[PaulF]

$2.05 when we went to Florida in 2007, $1.27 by the time we went back in 2017.

A pint was like $1.50.  Fucking shite mind.