Author Topic: Liverpool v West Ham - December 11th 16:30pm at Anfield (Read 34710 times)

gatcliffe · « **Reply #40 on:** December 5, 2016, 10:36:07 am »

Quote from: King_doggerel on December 5, 2016, 09:59:35 am

Karius
ClyneKlavenLovrenMilner
Henderson
WijnaldumLallana
ManeFirminoOrigi

Karius starting is a big gamble for me I would prefer SM to start.

Jay012345 · « **Reply #41 on:** December 5, 2016, 10:40:15 am »

Just not Lucas in central defence. Klaven is a centre half, so play him. Bite the bullet and reintroduce Sakho otherwise. Use Lucas to shore up the midfield as needed.

Roarin-red · « **Reply #42 on:** December 5, 2016, 01:40:30 pm »

If we can have the same response from our last defeat to our defeat to Bournemouth then happy days. We're in for another great few months. Klopp always says you learn more from defeat than you do from victory so I hope we can bounce back straight away and batter wet spam!! Kloppo's got this lads

Digger2God · « **Reply #43 on:** December 5, 2016, 01:58:30 pm »

For those who are asking to drop Karius, I understand your frustration but I disagree. And we all know that Jurgen is not going to drop Karius because of that -- it would be so unKlopp like to do that. That said, West Ham are physical and Andy Carroll will be back so it wont be easy for Karius but a good opportunity to prove himself.

The only other question is whether to stick with Can or Wij for Adam. I thought Wijnaldum was pretty good (as good as you can be in a defeat) and Can seems to be more of a goal threat these days. I would go for Wijnaldum but I am not sure Jurgen will.

If Daniel is fit, he should come in for Divock. Yes I love Big Divy too, but I would prefer to have him as a weapon from the bench.

edge · « **Reply #44 on:** December 5, 2016, 02:18:08 pm »

Karius has to start imo, dropping him after one bad game(in which everyone was bad), effectively putting it on him, will kill his confidence. We knew he would need time, give him some.

bird_lfc · « **Reply #45 on:** December 5, 2016, 02:22:50 pm »

Quote from: edge on December 5, 2016, 02:18:08 pm

Karius has to start imo, dropping him after one bad game(in which everyone was bad), effectively putting it on him, will kill his confidence. We knew he would need time, give him some.

I'd stick with him too.

West Ham are on another leave of shite this season and don't look like they play for their manager. Anything other than a win will not be good enough.

Don't care if it's 1-0 or 10-7.

JoeCole · « **Reply #46 on:** December 5, 2016, 02:25:06 pm »

Manninger
Trent AA - Matip - Gomez - Moreno

Can - Stewart - Lallana

Mane - Origi - Ojo

Sacrifice all the non-scorers from yesterday! None of them are good enough!!

Digger2God · « **Reply #47 on:** December 5, 2016, 02:28:01 pm »

Quote from: JoeCole is for life, not just Christmas! on December 5, 2016, 02:25:06 pm

Manninger
Trent AA - Matip - Gomez - Moreno

Can - Stewart - Lallana

Mane - Origi - Ojo

Sacrifice all the non-scorers from yesterday! None of them are good enough!!

Here fishy fishy...

rakey_lfc · « **Reply #48 on:** December 5, 2016, 03:38:43 pm »

At this point not too bothered about formations or the personnel. Whoever plays need to put to bed the Bournemouth game. West Ham are wounded at the moment and we need to be ruthless and aggressive to keep them down. I'd like to see Lallana back in from the start as I think he makes a big difference to our attacking play.

I always feel uneasy about Lucas as a CB although he usually does have a good game but I'd rather Klavan or Sakho fill in.

LFCEmpire · « **Reply #49 on:** December 5, 2016, 03:55:17 pm »

Lets twat these c*nts! too soon?

redk84 · « **Reply #50 on:** December 5, 2016, 04:18:36 pm »

I hope Klopp is still yelling at his players - for showing complacency against Bournemouth

I hope the fury of that loss on the weekend just gone fuels us for this next HUGE week. West Ham on Saturday then Middlesborough in midweek. Then of course the derby....

The games come thick and fast and so does the opportunity to bitchslap that horrible weekend out of our memory

Fuck West Ham. We're a different element at Anfield and we are much better than them, we can be nervous or we can just obliterate them. I'm ready now lets go

4-0

Realdidi · « **Reply #51 on:** December 6, 2016, 07:20:35 am »

Anyone know if Matip is definitely out?

Upinsmoke · « **Reply #52 on:** December 6, 2016, 07:34:10 am »

Quote from: bird_lfc on December 5, 2016, 02:22:50 pm

I'd stick with him too.

West Ham are on another leave of shite this season and don't look like they play for their manager. Anything other than a win will not be good enough.

Don't care if it's 1-0 or 10-7.

I'd still be wary if Carroll plays thoigh. He could easily score a couple off a payet set piece

jillcwhomever · « **Reply #53 on:** December 6, 2016, 07:50:08 am »

Quote from: Jay012345 on December 5, 2016, 10:40:15 am

Just not Lucas in central defence. Klaven is a centre half, so play him. Bite the bullet and reintroduce Sakho otherwise. Use Lucas to shore up the midfield as needed.

Sakho is not going to be reintroduced and nor should he be.

stevieG786 · « **Reply #54 on:** December 6, 2016, 08:19:41 am »

Quote from: Gerrard#1 on December 5, 2016, 05:51:02 am

I don't think we should drop Karius. It would shatter his confidence and Mignolet isn't ~~much~~ better than him.

fixed

killer-heels · « **Reply #55 on:** December 6, 2016, 08:39:55 am »

I agree that dropping Karius would dent his confidence, but to be honest I am more concerned with staying in a title challenge then keeping him happy. We have to be able to rely on our goalkeeper and whilst Mignolet is hardly better, Karius hasnt been great at all.

Caston · « **Reply #56 on:** December 6, 2016, 09:29:16 am »

Think people are being a bit harsh on Karius. Yes he fucked up, but I thought over the past few games he was getting better and better (against Sunderland made 2 great saves at 0-0 otherwise we may not have took all 3 points).

It's up to him to show he can bounce back from this and it's not going to help with half the fanbase calling him shit and wanting him dropped, maybe supporting him would be a better idea?

Le_Mot_Juste · « **Reply #57 on:** December 6, 2016, 10:04:57 am »

Mignolet was given 3 years of consistent fuck ups, and being statistically speaking the most error prone goalkeeper in the entire league and many supporters continued to back him.

Karius hasn't even had 6 months.

Personally, would stick with him, and would only consider changing it up after/if Mignolet impresses in a cup match- thus making the change about Mignolet's improvement, rather than a lack of faith in a new keeper.

Medellin · « **Reply #58 on:** December 6, 2016, 10:20:35 am »

Top OP thanks for that.

There should/will be a reaction to the 4-3 reversal.

Karius
Clyne JM/LL Lovren Moreno
Hendo
Lallana Gio
Manê Milner
Bob

Stick with Karius.
Moreno in at LB.
Matip or Lucas RCB.
Our best mid combo.
Milner in Phils role.
Origi impact from the bench.

Some wont agree,Firmino has to start central.
Come on you redmen!

JackWard33 · « **Reply #59 on:** December 6, 2016, 10:22:53 am »

Quote from: Le_Mot_Juste on December 6, 2016, 10:04:57 am

Mignolet was given 3 years of consistent fuck ups, and being statistically speaking the most error prone goalkeeper in the entire league and many supporters continued to back him

Karius hasn't even had 6 months.

Haha I know you didn't mean it like this but it made me laugh as it reads like we've got another 2 1/2 years of Karius fuck ups to go

fowlermagic · « **Reply #60 on:** December 6, 2016, 10:40:22 am »

Same again pretty much depending on who's fit ...Lallana should come in hopefully which will add to our cutting edge and just need to be more aware of the holes we leave behind us if we press. Bournemouth showed if you get pass our first line we can be prone to a quick counter. Just need the effort that kept us unbeaten for so long and we will be great,

redk84 · « **Reply #61 on:** December 6, 2016, 11:29:07 am »

Would not drop Karius....he deserves the chance to make up for the first time he's been responsible for dropped points as would be the case for any outfield player im sure.

Migs has had years of failing as has been stated

Would keep the line up as is with hopefully Lallana and Matip coming in as the only changes, and for the lads to look at the table before kickoff and target those above us. its a marathon not a sprint so mistakes like Bournemouth/Burnley can happen

If we are to have a winning mentality gotta prove it in our attitude after setbacks, im sure klopp will have them ready. Hope Anfield is too

sms1986 · « **Reply #62 on:** December 6, 2016, 12:35:10 pm »

Quote from: Realdidi on December 6, 2016, 07:20:35 am

Anyone know if Matip is definitely out?

He's returned to training and should be fit for Sunday, so he's not out.

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2016/12/joel-matip-returns-liverpool-training-expected-fit-west-ham-clash/

Digger2God · « **Reply #63 on:** December 6, 2016, 12:36:47 pm »

Quote from: killer_heels on December 6, 2016, 08:39:55 am

I agree that dropping Karius would dent his confidence, but to be honest I am more concerned with staying in a title challenge then keeping him happy. We have to be able to rely on our goalkeeper and whilst Mignolet is hardly better, Karius hasnt been great at all.

If you are serious about a title challenge, then you do not change Karius at this point. You stick with him and see how he does for at least another month. If he produces a series of errors and costs us more games, then you could consider taking him out of the firing line and bringing in Mignolet. This is not the time to break glass and Mignolet.

Imagine Mignolet comes in for West Ham and gets pulverized by Carroll and goes back to bad Mignolet. What happens then? You have a shattered Karius and a pulverized Mignolet. And bring a gk in the winter and throw him straight in? Yikes!

You need to be patient and see how Karius does. If he does get worse, you bring in Mignolet as a last alternative and hope he holds up.

Digger2God · « **Reply #64 on:** December 6, 2016, 12:37:23 pm »

Quote from: sms1986 on December 6, 2016, 12:35:10 pm

He's returned to training and should be fit for Sunday, so he's not out.

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2016/12/joel-matip-returns-liverpool-training-expected-fit-west-ham-clash/

No word on Sturridge yet. No news is most likely not good news in this case.

sms1986 · « **Reply #65 on:** December 6, 2016, 12:39:34 pm »

Quote from: Digger2God on December 6, 2016, 12:37:23 pm

No word on Sturridge yet. No news is most likely not good news in this case.

Luckily, we have enough goal scorers to compensate. Hopefully he'll be back soon.

Digger2God · « **Reply #66 on:** December 6, 2016, 01:00:05 pm »

Quote from: sms1986 on December 6, 2016, 12:39:34 pm

Luckily, we have enough goal scorers to compensate. Hopefully he'll be back soon.

As exciting and positive as it is to have three teenagers on the bench, I'd rather have Daniel or Divock as options depending on who starts.

mkingdon · « **Reply #67 on:** December 6, 2016, 01:10:25 pm »

Karius is a worry. He's not had one commanding/impressive display since joining, but I agree that he needs sticking with. He won't get any better sat on the bench. We can only hope for the De Gea effect to kick in once he finds his feet.

I'd expect

Karius

Clyne Matip Lovren Milner

Henderson

Gini Lallana

Mane Origi Firmino

Suareznumber7 · « **Reply #68 on:** December 6, 2016, 01:32:34 pm »

Quote from: mkingdon on December 6, 2016, 01:10:25 pm

Karius is a worry. He's not had one commanding/impressive display since joining, but I agree that he needs sticking with. He won't get any better sat on the bench. We can only hope for the De Gea effect to kick in once he finds his feet.

I'd expect

Karius

Clyne Matip Lovren Milner

Henderson

Gini Lallana

Mane Origi Firmino

Karius is really not a worry at all. He's been fine so far and will continue to improve as he becomes more comfortable playing in the league. People often forget that it takes a good half year at a minimum for most players to adapt to a new league.

I think you have the team spot on with one exception. Can will start over Wijnaldum.

RogerTheRed · « **Reply #69 on:** December 6, 2016, 01:40:46 pm »

Come on Redmen!!
Should be a good match to get back on the horse after Sunday. Pleasing to hear Matip looks to be Ok, agree that Firmino central works better too. Midfield three of Lallana, Hendo and Wijnaldum for me.

gatcliffe · « **Reply #70 on:** December 6, 2016, 01:45:54 pm »

Quote from: mkingdon on December 6, 2016, 01:10:25 pm

Karius is a worry. He's not had one commanding/impressive display since joining, but I agree that he needs sticking with. He won't get any better sat on the bench. We can only hope for the De Gea effect to kick in once he finds his feet.

I'd expect

Karius

Clyne Matip Lovren Milner

Henderson

Gini Lallana

Mane Origi Firmino

I really think Karius needs to be ditched he is a liability.

newterp · « **Reply #71 on:** December 6, 2016, 01:54:49 pm »

West Ham will probably be without: Collins (garbage - maybe that's good for them), Cresswell, Antonio, Sakho, Byram and possibly Kouyate.

But of course annoying Carroll is back.

wah00ey · « **Reply #72 on:** December 6, 2016, 01:54:54 pm »

Quote from: gatcliffe on December 6, 2016, 01:45:54 pm

I really think Karius needs to be ditched he is a liability.

At the moment, he looks like an outfield player who's had to go in goal because the regular keeper has been injured and the substitute keeper has been sent off. Klopp's no mug though - he went after the lad in the same way he did Matip and Mane so we really have to give him more time. He's awful to watch at times but let's get the fcuk behind him. Sometimes it feels like the goalkeeper position at Anfield has been cursed and has been for a good few years now and we've got to get this sorted if we're to challenge for anything. If anyone needs a song to boost them and banish the curse it's Loris!

Medellin · « **Reply #73 on:** December 6, 2016, 01:55:57 pm »

Quote from: gatcliffe on December 6, 2016, 01:45:54 pm

I really think Karius needs to be ditched he is a liability.

Karius made a great save & a blunder at the end.
Origi scored a great goal & missed an absolute sitter.
Does that make him a liability too?

rawcusk8 · « **Reply #74 on:** December 6, 2016, 02:09:40 pm »

Quote from: newterp on December 6, 2016, 01:54:49 pm

West Ham will probably be without: Collins (garbage - maybe that's good for them), Cresswell, Antonio, Sakho, Byram and possibly Kouyate.

But of course annoying Carroll is back.

Was checking physio room to see when the likes of Antonio and Cresswell would be back, it says after our game so hopefully they are spot on. They are heavily reliant on their wing backs especially now that Big Andy is back. Im sure Matip will sort him and and the lads will no doubt bounce back after Sunday.

Caston · « **Reply #75 on:** December 6, 2016, 02:13:32 pm »

Quote from: gatcliffe on December 6, 2016, 01:45:54 pm

I really think Karius needs to be ditched he is a liability.

Your hate for Karius is weird, constantly on his case

gatcliffe · « **Reply #76 on:** December 6, 2016, 02:19:52 pm »

Quote from: Caston on December 6, 2016, 02:13:32 pm

Your hate for Karius is weird, constantly on his case

Am I not entitled to pass an opinion on here ? Yes I am on his case because simply the guy has some way to go to be a worthy number 1 for us. By the way I do not hate the guy and am not weird.

Lastrador · « **Reply #77 on:** December 6, 2016, 02:22:37 pm »

Quote from: newterp on December 6, 2016, 01:54:49 pm

West Ham will probably be without: Collins (garbage - maybe that's good for them), Cresswell, Antonio, Sakho, Byram and possibly Kouyate.

But of course annoying Carroll is back.

On a regular game I would say it is. But he annoyingly seems to have some blinding games against us. I don't think I've ever seen a defender shutting Luis Suárez down as completely as he managed a couple of seasons back. He's usually shite though.

newterp · « **Reply #78 on:** December 6, 2016, 02:22:56 pm »

Quote from: rawkus8 on December 6, 2016, 02:09:40 pm

Was checking physio room to see when the likes of Antonio and Cresswell would be back, it says after our game so hopefully they are spot on. They are heavily reliant on their wing backs especially now that Big Andy is back. Im sure Matip will sort him and and the lads will no doubt bounce back after Sunday.

Yes we should have Joel back, and Firmino and Lallana more fit than last game. Origi will do the same as he did last year - the more games he plays the sharper he becomes.

We will need the midfield to get back into the game - but West Ham aren't taking the game to us - they will hope for set piece chaos or Payet's moments of brilliance (if he is arsed to try). Plus with Carroll - they will be even slower - so we need to just go for the juggular early.

Caston · « **Reply #79 on:** December 6, 2016, 02:24:18 pm »

Quote from: gatcliffe on December 6, 2016, 02:19:52 pm

Am I not entitled to pass an opinion on here ? Yes I am on his case because simply the guy has some way to go to be a worthy number 1 for us. By the way I do not hate the guy and am not weird.

Yes, but you're constantly mentioning him and slating him. What happened to supporting our players?