Topic: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent

[macca888]

Here's just a little list of some other things that have got fuck all to do with the topic at hand

**Did Rafa change the wallpaper in his office?

**Did Kenny really sign all todays Good Luck In Your New Job cards or did he get Steve Clarke to do them?

**Is there a soft close toilet seat in the academy bogs or do they have those padded 70's style ones?

**would Carragher make a good rag and bone man with his shouting?

**Has Bill Cosby given Tom Werner his "with tha hippin' an' a hoppin' an' tha bippin' an' a boppin'" views about what's happened today?


But feel free to fucking discuss them anyway.

[Skidder.]

It really isn't an informed answer really is it considering there really isn't any evidence to balance the argument either way. For instance, Martin Kelly has been with the Club since he was 8 or something, so his development was before Benitez was in charge, the fact that his debut was in a Champion League qualification game, could have easily been down to necessity rather than "Youth Development". Damien Plessis was brought in straight from another squads youth system and was played way before Jay Spearing who had came through the Youth Development, arguably under Heighway/Dalglish, and Plessis was played ahead of someone who had captained our youth squad to win the FA cup. Excellent youth development that...

Now on the underside of some arrogant and childish remarks, (I don't know why I expected anything other than that), in order to not be used as a scapegoat for when this thread does finally get locked (Which gets spouted by the same certain members when discussion isn't going 'their way'), I will end my discussion in this matter and leave you rafanboys to dream up your own little perfect world within the LFC camp, with him as Director of Football.

[Rojo O Muerto]

Owners aren't settling for shit, good and like someone already mentioned it's about time.

[Alan_X]

Could someone tell me who this Natalie character is please?

Why - she's still at the club?

[rafa4eva]

What next? I honestly don't know. When I think about about what has gone on at our club over the last 3 years I'm at a loss to fathom out what is next, what more is there in the wings to rock us, to shake us and to leave us puzzled and confused.

What have we become? Are we a spurs and Man Utd of the 80's, an ongoing saga of upheaval, comedy and shooting ourselves in the foot decisions.

What does the future hold? Are we destined to chase our tales like a frustrated dog, are we to rise from the ashes like the re-born phoenix or are we destined to fade, fade and fall into obscurity.

What?


I was gonna start this as a thread but I just don't know If I could read more debate upon debate, I just don't know anymore about anything....I just don't know. Even a silly arse like me is finding it hard to raise a smile when having to witness another Liverpool upheaval plastered across the news and all this two days before an FA cup semi-final against our closest and longest rivals.

Good post pretty much covers my general thoughts on our club as of late, nevermind this latest cull of resources who are far from low in profile .....And the timing? ..... worth a shout as a thread imo....

[lachesis]

Danroan just posted a few tweets and then deleted them. Google search isn't even bringing them up on the BBC website any more. They've been copy/pasted across a number of other forums though and read something like this:

Dan Roan ‏ @danroan
 The departure of Liverpool's Head of Sports Medicine/Science Peter Brukner today has been met with shock by some at Anfield...

Dan Roan ‏ @danroan
 Brought in by Purslow after Benitez demanded a better medical dept, he was credited with the club now having best fitness stats in PL..

Dan Roan ‏ @danroan
 Described by 1 senior source as one of LFC's "few employees of truly global standing-but never fitted in more 'traditional' Dalglish regime"

[zuchum]

Dan Roan deleted 3 tweets regarding the sacking of Peter Brukner. They are paraphrased here:

"Some shock from those high up at Anfield at sacking of Peter Brukner, he was one of very few at the club of truly global standing and credited for LFC having the best fitness of any team in the PL. But he didn't fit in with Dalglish's more "traditional" regime."


Messenger. Etc.

EDIT: Nuts

[Hus]

A bit random deleting those, surely you bring more attention to them once you try and get rid (much like recalling an email via outlook!) - I expect most people would have ignored them otherwise.

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

dunno about those fitness stats but one thing is for sure
we normally do better second half of the season fitness wise and it reflects in the results

this season.....................wtf

[exiledintheUSA]

Some shock from those high up at Anfield - who?  Probably not from Henry and Warner, as they sacked him, or Comoli because he has been sacked, or Ayre becuase he probably toed the paryy line with Henry and Werner.....who does that leave as a 'High up"? Kenny?

[killer-heels]

Danroan just posted a few tweets and then deleted them. Google search isn't even bringing them up on the BBC website any more. They've been copy/pasted across a number of other forums though and read something like this:

Dan Roan ‏ @danroan
 The departure of Liverpool's Head of Sports Medicine/Science Peter Brukner today has been met with shock by some at Anfield...

Dan Roan ‏ @danroan
 Brought in by Purslow after Benitez demanded a better medical dept, he was credited with the club now having best fitness stats in PL..

Dan Roan ‏ @danroan
 Described by 1 senior source as one of LFC's "few employees of truly global standing-but never fitted in more 'traditional' Dalglish regime"

Maybe he deleted them because his sources turned out to be bullshit?

[Alan_X]

It really isn't an informed answer really is it considering there really isn't any evidence to balance the argument either way. For instance, Martin Kelly has been with the Club since he was 8 or something, so his development was before Benitez was in charge, the fact that his debut was in a Champion League qualification game, could have easily been down to necessity rather than "Youth Development". Damien Plessis was brought in straight from another squads youth system and was played way before Jay Spearing who had came through the Youth Development, arguably under Heighway/Dalglish, and Plessis was played ahead of someone who had captained our youth squad to win the FA cup. Excellent youth development that...

Now on the underside of some arrogant and childish remarks, (I don't know why I expected anything other than that), in order to not be used as a scapegoat for when this thread does finally get locked (Which gets spouted by the same certain members when discussion isn't going 'their way'), I will end my discussion in this matter and leave you rafanboys to dream up your own little perfect world within the LFC camp, with him as Director of Football.

Seriously can you drop it or we'll take action to stop you taking the thread off topic.

[careful on these streets, I've heard stories]

Dan Roan ‏ @danroan
 Described by 1 senior source as one of LFC's "few employees of truly global standing-but never fitted in more 'traditional' Dalglish regime"

Very interesting

[gregorio]

I think it's interesting what Dalglish said in his press conference. Goes out of his way to say how positive their relationship was and that the players bought were his (Dalglish) choice, to me it's more than the usual 'goodbye and good luck' formality than you'd expect.

For those crowing about the decisive action based on 'shit' signings a word of caution; we simply don't know enough about these new owners to be entirely convinced that this is a well thought out move.

[conman]

dunno about those fitness stats but one thing is for sure
we normally do better second half of the season fitness wise and it reflects in the results

this season.....................wtf

* Agger is fit all season, thats a enormous plus!
* Rotation & substitutions are not happening as frequently as we are accustomed to, so players are naturally tired at this stage of this season.

[vivabobbygraham]

It really isn't an informed answer really is it considering there really isn't any evidence to balance the argument either way. For instance, Martin Kelly has been with the Club since he was 8 or something, so his development was before Benitez was in charge, the fact that his debut was in a Champion League qualification game, could have easily been down to necessity rather than "Youth Development". Damien Plessis was brought in straight from another squads youth system and was played way before Jay Spearing who had came through the Youth Development, arguably under Heighway/Dalglish, and Plessis was played ahead of someone who had captained our youth squad to win the FA cup. Excellent youth development that...

Now on the underside of some arrogant and childish remarks, (I don't know why I expected anything other than that), in order to not be used as a scapegoat for when this thread does finally get locked (Which gets spouted by the same certain members when discussion isn't going 'their way'), I will end my discussion in this matter and leave you rafanboys to dream up your own little perfect world within the LFC camp, with him as Director of Football.

 . Hissy fit alert

[careful on these streets, I've heard stories]

dunno about those fitness stats but one thing is for sure
we normally do better second half of the season fitness wise and it reflects in the results

this season.....................wtf

We did better last season so maybe its not his fault?

[fivein05]

Danroan just posted a few tweets and then deleted them. Google search isn't even bringing them up on the BBC website any more. They've been copy/pasted across a number of other forums though and read something like this:

Dan Roan ‏ @danroan
 The departure of Liverpool's Head of Sports Medicine/Science Peter Brukner today has been met with shock by some at Anfield...

Dan Roan ‏ @danroan
 Brought in by Purslow after Benitez demanded a better medical dept, he was credited with the club now having best fitness stats in PL..

Dan Roan ‏ @danroan
 Described by 1 senior source as one of LFC's "few employees of truly global standing-but never fitted in more 'traditional' Dalglish regime"

The last one mate seems a bit rich for me, cannot seeing it being a Dalglish decision to me, not at all. Think about it, KK sitting in front of FSG...

Well Ken what do you think of Bruckner? Well lads he does all this new fangled bollocks with fizzy drinks and powders and we wire them up to shit, I said get the wooly jumpers out the closet we used to warm up in and give the bastards steak before a game and the wanker disagreed!! Well King Kenai I surgest this guy needs to hit the high road...ok Y'all.

Bit fuckin strange dont you think?

[lachesis]

Maybe he deleted them because his sources turned out to be bullshit?

Been pretty reliable today on other stuff hasn't he? Also it's not likely that anyone could pin down '1 senior source' to anyone in particular is it? Any other theories?

[JP-65]

Maybe he deleted them because his sources turned out to be bullshit?

yup.

[JamesG L4]

Someone was going to pay the price for this season's awful league form, and the superb cup runs meant it wasn't going to be Dogfish.

FSG were looking static, what with the inertia with the stadium and the silence on team matters. Comolli was the scapegoat, as he had no fall back with the quality of his signings and is someone the fans had very little attachment to.

I'm glad it's been done before the end of the season, as it gives a new scouting network some time to plan for the comings and goings in the summer. Why it couldn't have waited a week, though, I'll never know, the only reason I can think of is the owners thought it would galvanise some of the players into giving the extra effort an determination on Saturday and keep their place at our club. Even if it has been leaked, the actual firing could have waited.

FSG have had a brutal infancy as owners, they said they would "under promise and over deliver" - they now need to "over deliver" on the stadium and transfers to set some stability into the club.

[TepidT2O]

Bruckners departure might just be that he came to set up and implement a sports science department and now he's done that and it's running smoothly he's of to pastures new....

Who knows

[JP-65]

Been pretty reliable today on other stuff hasn't he? Also it's not likely that anyone could pin down '1 senior source' to anyone in particular is it? Any other theories?

sent you a dm

[careful on these streets, I've heard stories]

The last one mate seems a bit rich for me, cannot seeing it being a Dalglish decision to me, not at all. Think about it, KK sitting in front of FSG...

Well Ken what do you think of Bruckner? Well lads he does all this new fangled bollocks with fizzy drinks and powders and we wire them up to shit, I said get the wooly jumpers out the closet we used to warm up in and give the bastards steak before a game and the wanker disagreed!! Well King Kenai I surgest this guy needs to hit the high road...ok Y'all.

Bit fuckin strange dont you think?

It makes perfect sense IMO, who else apart from Kenny and Comolli would have the power to decide if the fitness guys or goal-keeping coach are not what they need?

[JP-65]

Bruckners departure might just be that he came to set up and implement a sports science department and now he's done that and it's running smoothly he's of to pastures new....

Who knows

apparently this is true.

[TomDcs]

Natalie Wignall, she's the clubs solicitor/lawyer who was rumoured to have been sacked after Brukner and Comolli.

According to PaulR who works at the club, she hasn't been

Thanks assume she was involved in contraxt negotiations then

[Mouth]

Hang on, what the fuck is going on, more people have been fucked off?

Is Linda still here? Please say Linda is still here.

[conman]

Bruckners departure might just be that he came to set up and implement a sports science department and now he's done that and it's running smoothly he's of to pastures new....

Who knows

that was my understanding too, especially in light of his departing statement.

[careful on these streets, I've heard stories]

Bruckners departure might just be that he came to set up and implement a sports science department and now he's done that and it's running smoothly he's of to pastures new....

Who knows

Or the set-up is changing from sport science to traditional and he is no longer needed?

[CraigDS]

that was my understanding too, especially in light of his departing statement.

But some don't let that get in the way of a good old scare story!

[Number 7]

Does anyone think a part of all this has been a result of the Carroll transfer? Putting aside the money we got for Torres, 35 million is a lot for a player. An irrational decision at the time, probably fueled by the fact that we needed a striker. The transfer has haunted us from day one. FSG sanctioned the transfer trusting Comolli and Kenny.

Do they think they made the wrong decision sanctioning it and now want to put future dealings right? Or do they think now that their money hasn't paid dividends and someone has to take the fall?

[CraigDS]

Or the set-up is changing from sport science to traditional and he is no longer needed?

You really think a modern setup like FSG would allow this?!

[gregorio]

Dan Roan deleted 3 tweets regarding the sacking of Peter Brukner. They are paraphrased here:

"Some shock from those high up at Anfield at sacking of Peter Brukner, he was one of very few at the club of truly global standing and credited for LFC having the best fitness of any team in the PL. But he didn't fit in with Dalglish's more "traditional" regime."


Messenger. Etc.

EDIT: Nuts

Looking at the quotes on the LFC website Brukner's looks less like a sacking than Comoli, or am I being naive?

[Bob Loblaw]

Dan Roan deleted 3 tweets regarding the sacking of Peter Brukner. They are paraphrased here:

"Some shock from those high up at Anfield at sacking of Peter Brukner, he was one of very few at the club of truly global standing and credited for LFC having the best fitness of any team in the PL. But he didn't fit in with Dalglish's more "traditional" regime."


Messenger. Etc.

EDIT: Nuts

Five a sides, 442, jumpers for goalposts.

Cheap too.

[TepidT2O]

Or the set-up is changing from sport science to traditional and he is no longer needed?

I don't see why that would be when all the rest of the sports science team are still there...

Didn't he come from Australia?  Maybe he did two years, now the job is done he can leave it set up and go back down under?

[montysmum]

Dan Roan deleted 3 tweets regarding the sacking of Peter Brukner. They are paraphrased here:

"Some shock from those high up at Anfield at sacking of Peter Brukner, he was one of very few at the club of truly global standing and credited for LFC having the best fitness of any team in the PL. But he didn't fit in with Dalglish's more "traditional" regime."


Messenger. Etc.

EDIT: Nuts

That doesn't stack up with the comments Kenny has made where he has praised the medical set up in the past and credited them with looking after the players well if I remember correctly.

[TepidT2O]

Does anyone think a part of all this has been a result of the Carroll transfer? Putting aside the money we got for Torres, 35 million is a lot for a player. An irrational decision at the time, probably fueled by the fact that we needed a striker. The transfer has haunted us from day one. FSG sanctioned the transfer trusting Comolli and Kenny.

Do they think they made the wrong decision sanctioning it and now want to put future dealings right? Or do they think now that their money hasn't paid dividends and someone has to take the fall?

No.

I do t think it helped, but I think the downing transfer was probably more of an issue.

[farawayred]

I wouldn't be surprised if FSG have lined up a DoF replacement. Why would they otherwise act right now? There is a reason why this action has taken place two days before a truly major game - (1) players get a timely reminder of the club's standards and/or (2) they have identified the replacements and want to give them time to establish their methods before the transfer window opens. My money is on Frank Arnesen as DoF.

[fivein05]

It makes perfect sense IMO, who else apart from Kenny and Comolli would have the power to decide if the fitness guys or goal-keeping coach are not what they need?

I'm not saying Kenny didn't have an input but I take major umbridge to it being that his "modern" views were alien to Kennys "traditional" ways. Its bollocks.

[conman]

I wouldn't be surprised if FSG have lined up a DoF replacement. Why would they otherwise act right now? There is a reason why this action has taken place two days before a truly major game - (1) players get a timely reminder of the club's standards and/or (2) they have identified the replacements and want to give them time to establish their methods before the transfer window opens. My money is on Frank Arnesen as DoF.

* gives the players a wee kick up the back side
* as Alan said earlier, it deflects attetion from our poor form in the run up to the game
* we need his replacement to be looking out for new buys this summer, so best to be put in place sooner than later