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« Reply #4200 on: September 2, 2021, 08:23:42 pm »
Don't hold back !!

But an interesting topic on the calculations and the margins. My background is from the manufacturing industry  and the money/profits is not always easy but not too bad..

But running a restaurant; that must be pretty tricky.. Anyone knows how they do it - if you serve a main at 25-30 pound; do they look at raw material costs per dish - margins for wine/drinks - volume that have to be served to pay the rent and wages etc ?

I think most places operate on a minimum margin per dish, based on whatever their fixed costs are.

So if that margin is say 60%, they work out the ingredient cost for the dish they are developing, add 60% to the total, and decide if their particular clientele would pay that price for that dish. if they think they can add more than 60% for a particular dish, then they will.

No idea how you price up a dish like that gilded steak abomination though. I honestly believe they'd just throw a number at it, as the type of self absorbed dope who'd pay for a nice piece of steak that's been ruined by the addition of that much gold leaf, is just doing so out of hubris, most likely. I hope the daft twats who do pay are getting fleeced, to be honest.


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« Reply #4201 on: September 4, 2021, 04:06:38 pm »
Agree with most of the responses. Iíll probably not bother BECAUSE of that pretentious, drug dealer shite. Stick to the many other good steakhouses in the south of the city.

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« Reply #4202 on: September 8, 2021, 07:14:40 pm »
I know - a little rag arse from Jamie Gardens using a solid silver cruet set worth about 20 grand whilst chatting to Michel Roux at Le Gavroche 😂

In other news, first visit to Butterfly and Grasshoper opposite the Dispensary on Renshaw St.

Boss place - dining room is tucked away in the old flat on the third floor. Lovely and quiet up there, with dead nice staff.

Menu was great, we went for a small plates option. Lamb Shawarma was fucking epic, the garlic king prawns were great too. In fact everything we ate was gorgeous. Around £50 in total for two. We had 4 of the small plates plus some bread and oil, and two large glasses of very nice wine each.

Really reasonable that, considering how good the food is and how generous the portions were.

LOVED IT.

Just arrived at butterfly and grasshopper will report back soon 😀

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« Reply #4203 on: September 8, 2021, 10:41:45 pm »
Had 4 plates and two drinks in the butterfly and grasshopper , they had run out of prawns and tuna so opted for the lamb shawarma and that didnít touch the side it was lovely , second plate was the fish finger twisters with a dip again really nice pure white fish and a crispy batter .

 The third was a buffalo chicken with blue cheese and celery and walnut salad which I found to be only okay as the skin on the chicken Iíd  have expected crispy but was quite soggy so didnít really enjoy it and the final one chosen by the wife was cauliflower couscous with mint lime and pomegranate, this was far too citrusy for me and the lime overpowered everything else .

Would have liked to have tried the king prawns and will certainly go back , the wife asked for a glass of white wine and the girl serving made a recommendation , I jokingly said your not selling me a £20 glass of wine are you and she said no laughing , the bill came and it was £10.30 which is a bit extortionate I think

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« Reply #4204 on: September 8, 2021, 11:24:37 pm »
Had 4 plates and two drinks in the butterfly and grasshopper , they had run out of prawns and tuna so opted for the lamb shawarma and that didnít touch the side it was lovely , second plate was the fish finger twisters with a dip again really nice pure white fish and a crispy batter .

 The third was a buffalo chicken with blue cheese and celery and walnut salad which I found to be only okay as the skin on the chicken Iíd  have expected crispy but was quite soggy so didnít really enjoy it and the final one chosen by the wife was cauliflower couscous with mint lime and pomegranate, this was far too citrusy for me and the lime overpowered everything else .

Would have liked to have tried the king prawns and will certainly go back , the wife asked for a glass of white wine and the girl serving made a recommendation , I jokingly said your not selling me a £20 glass of wine are you and she said no laughing , the bill came and it was £10.30 which is a bit extortionate I think

Yeah the prawns are ace mate. Never had the chicken wings as blue cheese is the very food of the devil!

I know what you mean about the wine- if I ask for a recommendation (anywhere-3star gaff or fucking Nandoís) I always ask how much it is. We only paid £50 in there for 4 plates and had 2 glasses of very nice wine too. So thereís defo a cheaper and very drinkable alternative.

You must have looked like you could afford it. Donít go to that place in Woolton, or theyíll be throwing diamond encrusted beef burgers at you 😂

Weíre going back to Zorbas again on Saturday- canít wait.
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« Reply #4205 on: September 9, 2021, 05:16:07 pm »
I think most places operate on a minimum margin per dish, based on whatever their fixed costs are.

So if that margin is say 60%, they work out the ingredient cost for the dish they are developing, add 60% to the total, and decide if their particular clientele would pay that price for that dish. if they think they can add more than 60% for a particular dish, then they will.

No idea how you price up a dish like that gilded steak abomination though. I honestly believe they'd just throw a number at it, as the type of self absorbed dope who'd pay for a nice piece of steak that's been ruined by the addition of that much gold leaf, is just doing so out of hubris, most likely. I hope the daft twats who do pay are getting fleeced, to be honest.
I read something where the used the rule of 30%, meaning that the ingredients cost the equivalent of 30% of the menu price.
If the food is £5 then the menu price needs to be £16.66. As you say, they'll try and get a bit more margin if they can, but they'll also cross subsidise a bit so that they can include dishes with premium ingredients on the menu.
Couple of cheaper dishes at thicker margins allows them to offer a steak at a price people will buy at etc.

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« Reply #4206 on: September 10, 2021, 09:59:28 pm »
Six by Nico ĎAmalfi Coastí tonight was a delight!

First course of Parmesan polenta was basically Parmesan custard and was so comfortingly delicious.

Burrata with tomato foam and heritage tomatoes was gorgeous, probably the dish of the day for me along with the desert.

Spaghetti with mussels and a lobster foam was decent but not mind blowing

Bass fillet on some braised fennel with courgette and basil purťe, roasted red pepper and a black olive tapenade was really well cooked and all the different flavours worked perfectly when combined.

Pork fillet wrapped with pancetta was tasty with an aftertaste of frazzles! Loved the crispy belly on the side with níduja, not enough níduja though for my likingÖitís such an incredible ingredient!

Desert was absolutely up there as my favourite or joint favourite of the night and Iím generally a savoury favouring lad. But Iím also a sucker for lemon deserts and this had it all - a mousseline, a frozen yogurt, meringues plus an almond sponge and some caramelised white chocolate.
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« Reply #4207 on: September 13, 2021, 10:49:49 am »
Zorbas again on Saturday - boss.

Slightly depressing evening though - town was fucking rank. On the 2 min walk back to the car saw two classy hen do girls spewing up in the street outside St Luke's, then a dirty bastard pissing all over the pavement.

It was only about 10.30pm.

Full of fucking peasants it seemed. Reminded me why I spend my time eating out, rather than mixing with skanky fuckers like that in pubs/bars.


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« Reply #4208 on: September 13, 2021, 01:43:27 pm »
has anyone been to cargo (seafood restaurant) by the cruise ship terminal?  it decent?
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« Reply #4209 on: September 13, 2021, 03:48:51 pm »
has anyone been to cargo (seafood restaurant) by the cruise ship terminal?  it decent?

Yes its not bad mate.

Food and service were great, but at the moment there's a building site right outside the window, so instead of a view of the river you get to see a JCB and a piling rig.

The restaurant itself is nice and clean, but weirdly there was a big hole in the middle of the ceiling.

Added to the fact that there's nothing else nearby, I wouldn't rush back there at the moment. But like I say, the food was absolutely fine -no complaints at all.
 

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« Reply #4210 on: September 13, 2021, 04:00:59 pm »
I used to go there often for drinks and a few bits outside as we walked the dog that way. Been in for a few meals without him too.

Food is excellent as is the service. Some windows look out towards the new IoM terminal being built but others donít so not all looking into a building site (although the new cruise liner terminal and hotel are due to start being built on the otherwise soon so...!

It is a bit from other places though as said. Worth a trip if you like seafood though.

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« Reply #4211 on: September 13, 2021, 08:09:52 pm »
Six by Nico ĎAmalfi Coastí tonight was a delight!

First course of Parmesan polenta was basically Parmesan custard and was so comfortingly delicious.

Burrata with tomato foam and heritage tomatoes was gorgeous, probably the dish of the day for me along with the desert.

Spaghetti with mussels and a lobster foam was decent but not mind blowing

Bass fillet on some braised fennel with courgette and basil purťe, roasted red pepper and a black olive tapenade was really well cooked and all the different flavours worked perfectly when combined.

Pork fillet wrapped with pancetta was tasty with an aftertaste of frazzles! Loved the crispy belly on the side with níduja, not enough níduja though for my likingÖitís such an incredible ingredient!

Desert was absolutely up there as my favourite or joint favourite of the night and Iím generally a savoury favouring lad. But Iím also a sucker for lemon deserts and this had it all - a mousseline, a frozen yogurt, meringues plus an almond sponge and some caramelised white chocolate.


Is SBN actually that good? We've been wanting to try it for ages. Quite like the look of the new menu (guilty pleasures) but wondering if the price is justified? Not normally someone who enjoys fancy small portions. Do you feel like you've got your moneys worth after it?
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« Reply #4212 on: September 13, 2021, 08:29:22 pm »
I don't mean to sound horrible but it's six courses for £32.

Yes the courses arent like an all day breakfast but i didn't walk out needing a kebab or anything after

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« Reply #4213 on: September 13, 2021, 08:31:18 pm »
Its £37 in London, you guys have the discount meal ;)

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« Reply #4214 on: September 13, 2021, 08:31:45 pm »
Is SBN actually that good? We've been wanting to try it for ages. Quite like the look of the new menu (guilty pleasures) but wondering if the price is justified? Not normally someone who enjoys fancy small portions. Do you feel like you've got your moneys worth after it?

I think it absolutely does give you your moneyís worth. The dishes are really well thought out and although small you end up feeling satisfied rather than bloated which is a bonus.

Plus, itís £32 a head. You could almost spend that in a Harvester for a 3 course meal youíve had hundreds of times before.
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« Reply #4215 on: September 13, 2021, 08:38:02 pm »
I think it absolutely does give you your moneyís worth. The dishes are really well thought out and although small you end up feeling satisfied rather than bloated which is a bonus.

Plus, itís £32 a head. You could almost spend that in a Harvester for a 3 course meal youíve had hundreds of times before.

I was under the impression it was more than that to be honest. Will give it a try then I think!
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« Reply #4216 on: September 13, 2021, 11:10:13 pm »
I was under the impression it was more than that to be honest. Will give it a try then I think!

Good decision  :D
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« Reply #4217 on: September 14, 2021, 08:52:07 am »
Yeah Iíll echo the above - been maybe 5 times now and never once come out feeling short changed (and Iíve a big appetite). 100% worth the money.

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« Reply #4218 on: September 14, 2021, 11:12:59 am »
Yeah Iíll echo the above - been maybe 5 times now and never once come out feeling short changed (and Iíve a big appetite). 100% worth the money.

Really must give that place a try.

Swerved it up till now after hearing a couple of reports that the place was too crowded during the restrictions, and then there were the reports on how they treat their staff [not the Liverpool one, I know].

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« Reply #4219 on: September 17, 2021, 03:09:47 pm »
Recommendations for something relatively cheap and unfussy but still decent in the centre that will suit 12 blokes out drinking? Thinking burgers/pizzas type thing.
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« Reply #4220 on: September 17, 2021, 04:04:14 pm »
Recommendations for something relatively cheap and unfussy but still decent in the centre that will suit 12 blokes out drinking? Thinking burgers/pizzas type thing.

Byron, Five Guys, Rudy's Pizza

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« Reply #4221 on: September 19, 2021, 07:00:14 pm »
Had 4 plates and two drinks in the butterfly and grasshopper , they had run out of prawns and tuna so opted for the lamb shawarma and that didnít touch the side it was lovely , second plate was the fish finger twisters with a dip again really nice pure white fish and a crispy batter .

 The third was a buffalo chicken with blue cheese and celery and walnut salad which I found to be only okay as the skin on the chicken Iíd  have expected crispy but was quite soggy so didnít really enjoy it and the final one chosen by the wife was cauliflower couscous with mint lime and pomegranate, this was far too citrusy for me and the lime overpowered everything else .

Would have liked to have tried the king prawns and will certainly go back , the wife asked for a glass of white wine and the girl serving made a recommendation , I jokingly said your not selling me a £20 glass of wine are you and she said no laughing , the bill came and it was £10.30 which is a bit extortionate I think

Went there last night, had five small plates: Plum flatbread, Lamb chops, Fish twirls, Cauliflower Couscous and chilli prawns. All were really tasty and enough for the two of us. Had the cheese plate to finish but this wasn't great so I'd avoid.

A couple of observations:

The interior stying is fantastic, very laid back and bohemian. Staff were amazingly attentive and knowledgeable.

Have small plates rather than the main plates. The table next to us had the main plates and they had food envy about the portion size and the look of our small plates.

This place was dead, very quiet. It was Saturday night and the restaurant was half empty. Eat here or you'll lose it and it's worth supporting.

Very tasty food, very affordable and excellent service.

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« Reply #4222 on: September 20, 2021, 10:16:11 am »
Recommendations for something relatively cheap and unfussy but still decent in the centre that will suit 12 blokes out drinking? Thinking burgers/pizzas type thing.

Free State Kitchen also good, although with those numbers you might want to ring ahead for seats

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« Reply #4223 on: September 20, 2021, 02:42:20 pm »
Free State Kitchen also good, although with those numbers you might want to ring ahead for seats
Yeah I'd thought of FSK ahead of time and they couldn't seat that many at that notice. Ended up going Rudy's as Craig suggested and it was pretty good to be fair.
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« Reply #4224 on: September 20, 2021, 02:47:16 pm »
Yeah Iíll echo the above - been maybe 5 times now and never once come out feeling short changed (and Iíve a big appetite). 100% worth the money.

100% agree. Been 3 times myself and planning to go a 4th with the current menu. Good value for money and never left unsatisfied with what I got, in fact some of the stuff I had was very very impressive and clever cooking.

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« Reply #4225 on: September 20, 2021, 07:22:32 pm »
I`ve not been to Liverpool in a couple of years now. Can I get a top five of restaurants people recommend?

I`ve liked places like Mowgli, Fazenda, Gusto and San Carlo to name some.

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« Reply #4226 on: September 20, 2021, 07:33:42 pm »
Sanskruti
Lunyalita
Mamasan
Baccaro
Greek Taverna
Italian Club Fish

6 I know. No particular order.

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« Reply #4227 on: September 20, 2021, 07:39:20 pm »
Sanskruti
Lunyalita
Mamasan
Baccaro
Greek Taverna
Italian Club Fish

6 I know. No particular order.

Trattoria 51 for Italian, Wreckfish for a decent lunch offer.

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« Reply #4228 on: September 20, 2021, 07:46:57 pm »
Trattoria 51 for Italian, Wreckfish for a decent lunch offer.

I was going to add Trattoria but if Iím honest the last two times we went (once in July and once in August) it wasnít great.

However we have had plenty of great meals there otherwise.

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« Reply #4229 on: September 20, 2021, 07:48:04 pm »
I'm not sure these are the best as I've not done many of the popular ones, on this thread, but they have all been amazing when I've visited.

Bacchus Greek Taverna
Sanskruti
Betterfly and Grasshopper
Mowgii
Trat 51

Apparently Duke Street Market is fantastic too but not been - next time....
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« Reply #4230 on: September 20, 2021, 07:49:27 pm »
Thanks for the reccomendations. Much appreciated.

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« Reply #4231 on: September 20, 2021, 08:29:23 pm »
I'm not sure these are the best as I've not done many of the popular ones, on this thread, but they have all been amazing when I've visited.

Bacchus Greek Taverna
Sanskruti
Betterfly and Grasshopper
Mowgii
Trat 51

Apparently Duke Street Market is fantastic too but not been - next time....

Duke st market looks really good. Been to Pilgrim which is upstairs there (that was stunning btw) and earmarked a return visit for the market bit downstairs as it all looked quality
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« Reply #4232 on: September 20, 2021, 09:18:01 pm »
I was going to add Trattoria but if Iím honest the last two times we went (once in July and once in August) it wasnít great.

However we have had plenty of great meals there otherwise.

Havenít been there since lockdown and was due to go last Wednesday but had to cry off with a non Covid-19 cough.

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« Reply #4233 on: September 21, 2021, 09:06:24 am »
I`ve not been to Liverpool in a couple of years now. Can I get a top five of restaurants people recommend?

I`ve liked places like Mowgli, Fazenda, Gusto and San Carlo to name some.

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« Reply #4234 on: September 21, 2021, 09:18:51 am »
Sanskruti
Lunyalita
Mamasan
Baccaro
Greek Taverna
Italian Club Fish

6 I know. No particular order.

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« Reply #4235 on: September 21, 2021, 09:48:53 am »
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« Reply #4236 on: September 21, 2021, 12:58:56 pm »
Can anyone recommend a good Thai place in or around the city?

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« Reply #4237 on: September 21, 2021, 01:14:36 pm »
Can anyone recommend a good Thai place in or around the city?

Rosaís Thai Cafe on Albert Dock is very good.

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« Reply #4238 on: September 21, 2021, 01:15:14 pm »
Can anyone recommend a good Thai place in or around the city?

Chaba Chaba on Allerton is the best I have been to.
We already have shit in the country, and the game of Liverpool fills life with joy. Thanks

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« Reply #4239 on: September 21, 2021, 03:25:47 pm »
Chaba Chaba on Allerton is the best I have been to.
Second this.

And to add to Craig's list above, every time I've been to Etsu it's been cracking.

Got to disagree with San Carlo's, think it's decent but massively overpriced for what it is. Mowgli is better if you go and treat all the starters as tapas dishes - the Himalayan Cheese Toast and Chip Butty are amazing - as the curry's on the main menu are a bit underwhelming I find.
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