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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14320 on: September 26, 2022, 10:28:46 am »
If we give Keita a new contract then Id be concerned as to whether we are trying to do all we bloody can not to spend money.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14321 on: September 26, 2022, 10:31:48 am »
How so? You really think  they would offer him a contract extension if Klopp didn’t fancy him?

I think the point is that, from an accounting perspective, say a 4 year contract at £100k a week (a little less than what he is on today, but just a nive number) would cost the club £20.8m across the 4 years - the gamble is then on whether if we sell him, we'd recoup whatever % of that 20.8m we'd already sent on salary.  So if we get £10m for him, say, as long as we sell him before 2025 we'd have made a small profit - and £10m for a midefielder gets you nothing these days. 

If we lose Ox/Milner (for free), and don't sign Arthur, then also letting Keita go, whilst having 3 injury prone 30+ year olds as first choice (and at least 1 of them *more* injury prone than Naby), and then 2 extremely young in Curtis and Harvey, with nobody else is a risk and would need multiple, more expensive players to bulk the squad up - and it then becomes less a "does Klopp 100% want to keep him" vs "can we afford all the players Klopp does want, or do we have to keep Naby for, say, 1 year to give us the 2 transfer windows to refresh that area".  Especially if we can get him to accept that small pay cut (or a larger one), it could influence Klopp in to keeping him around as, say, 6th choice for 1 more year

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14322 on: September 26, 2022, 10:34:08 am »
They’re better by the fact they actually get on the pitch and play.

Appearances 21/22

Keita: 40
Douglas Luiz: 35
Mac Alister: 36
Laimer: 36
« Last Edit: September 26, 2022, 10:44:07 am by JasonF »

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14323 on: September 26, 2022, 10:36:05 am »
Then when nobody wants to pay decent money for somebody who could get injured turning the cooker on, then what? Throwing good money after bad is not usually a winning strategy. Especially in football.

It doesn't need to be "decent" money really - we spent nearly 20m on Thiago, and nearly 35m on Ox - both of them when they were much more injury prone.  Even £5-10m next summer would make a profit on offering him a contract.   And it isn't like he is too old to overcome the injuries and then play better football more regularly - he could likely go to Serie A, or the Bundesliga, and the less physical nature of those leagues would help (and the rumours are Dortmund would be interested if he were free, so maybe £5-10m just to get some cash out of him they'd be willing)

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14324 on: September 26, 2022, 10:39:29 am »
Appearances 21/22

Keita: 30
Douglas Luiz: 35
Mac Alister: 36
Laimer: 36

Here's the winner though:

McTominay: 37

People seem to miss the fact Keita had decent injury record last season.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14325 on: September 26, 2022, 10:44:35 am »
People seem to miss the fact Keita had decent injury record last season.

I actually missed his 10 Champions League games off by mistake, so Keita played more than any of those.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14326 on: September 26, 2022, 10:57:37 am »
How does he compare this season? Or the season 20/21 season, just curious.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14327 on: September 26, 2022, 11:05:13 am »
How does he compare this season? Or the season 20/21 season, just curious.

Well obviously he hasn't played yet this season, but you know that already. He's back in October though and who's to say he won't have similar availability to last year?

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14328 on: September 26, 2022, 11:07:51 am »
Well obviously he hasn't played yet this season, but you know that already. He's back in October though and who's to say he won't have similar availability to last year?

Well if we look at the stats for Keita and the time he’s been with us, I would say Keita would be the one saying it.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14329 on: September 26, 2022, 11:12:58 am »
I think that he was available for 40 games and played less total minutes by a considerable distance than someone like Douglas Luiz did, just in the league, is another reason why it's pointless keeping him. He's not a young player we're looking to develop and he's still not trusted, or able, to play much

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14330 on: September 26, 2022, 11:17:37 am »
Well if we look at the stats for Keita and the time he’s been with us, I would say Keita would be the one saying it.

Pretty clear it was something we've been working on though, we brought in new conditioning staff, we rotated him with Thiago, Keita himself looks stronger and he had a lot better availability.

Like Matip he had very little history of injury before joining us. You can't just assume that once someone has had injury problems that's how it will always be. There were mitigating circumstances for Keita such as how he was rushed back by Guinea after his most serious injury.

I'm not advocating he gets a new contract, I think he's a fantastic player but I don't think you can afford to carry both him and Thiago in the same squad unless you consider them half a player (which I doubt the wages reflect). But there were clear signs his availability was improving before this latest muscle injury, and as we've seen with our start to the season that can happen to just about anyone.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14331 on: September 26, 2022, 11:18:43 am »
Well obviously he hasn't played yet this season, but you know that already. He's back in October though and who's to say he won't have similar availability to last year?

He's already missed more games this season than last season.

22/23: 10+
21/22: 8
20/21: 23 (6 through Covid TBF)
19/20: 18
18/19: 11

Before joining us the most games he missed in a season was 8. I can see why the club were looking at extending his contract as those two seasons from 2019-2021 look like outliers compared to the rest of his injury history, however his lack of availability this season should be setting off alarm bells as the muscle problems have continued. He's also not at an age where he's likely to magically start staying fit again, usually players with a history of injury problems only get worse as they get into their late twenties.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14332 on: September 26, 2022, 11:24:11 am »
Pretty clear it was something we've been working on though, we brought in new conditioning staff, we rotated him with Thiago, Keita himself looks stronger and he had a lot better availability.

Like Matip he had very little history of injury before joining us. You can't just assume that once someone has had injury problems that's how it will always be. There were mitigating circumstances for Keita such as how he was rushed back by Guinea after his most serious injury.

I'm not advocating he gets a new contract, I think he's a fantastic player but I don't think you can afford to carry both him and Thiago in the same squad unless you consider them half a player (which I doubt the wages reflect). But there were clear signs his availability was improving before this latest muscle injury, and as we've seen with our start to the season that can happen to just about anyone.

I’m not saying he isn’t a fantastic player, when he plays. It’s definitely something the club worked on, playing him less when he was available, rotating him, and then building his fitness. The problem is though once he gets injured he tends to stay injured for awhile. With our current midfield issues we can’t afford that.

I would have loved him to work out here but the truth is it hasn’t. He’s been on the injured table so much Aquilani is jealous.

If the club give him a new contract it would be criminal.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14333 on: September 26, 2022, 12:04:14 pm »
If we give Keita a new contract then Id be concerned as to whether we are trying to do all we bloody can not to spend money.

Renewing Milner suited us from that perspective. I was happy to keep Milner at the club but I said at the time not at the expense of renewing the squad and he needs to play less not more. Ox and Keita should have been moved on to allow that process or at least sorted Keita's contract out otherwise

We've got ourselves in a position where 4 of our senior midfielders are out of contract next summer and 2 more are another year over 30. We've sleep walked into this.
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14334 on: October 5, 2022, 07:17:39 pm »
Is this man even injured or has he just downed tools?

If he is injured, what is his injury?

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14335 on: October 5, 2022, 07:32:36 pm »
Is this man even injured or has he just downed tools?

If he is injured, what is his injury?

FFS how many times does Klopp have to say he's injured. His national team also confirmed this and didn't take him away for their most recent internationals in September. Klopp has publicly said be has a muscle injury and is due back sometime in October.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14336 on: October 5, 2022, 09:31:06 pm »
FFS how many times does Klopp have to say he's injured. His national team also confirmed this and didn't take him away for their most recent internationals in September. Klopp has publicly said be has a muscle injury and is due back sometime in October.

So see him in January then?

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14337 on: October 5, 2022, 10:32:49 pm »
So see him in January then?

October!

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14338 on: October 5, 2022, 11:10:59 pm »
he was at the game yesterday sitting next to curtis - first time I've noticed him being there. maybe a sign he's no longer on assigned rest or something

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14339 on: October 6, 2022, 06:38:42 am »
So see him in January then?

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14340 on: October 6, 2022, 11:02:36 am »
Don't get how it's getting mentioned that he will be sold in January, when he'll be on free in the summer?  Who would pay anything for him when they'll be able to get him for nothing in 6 months time?
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14341 on: October 6, 2022, 01:19:17 pm »
Don't get how it's getting mentioned that he will be sold in January, when he'll be on free in the summer?  Who would pay anything for him when they'll be able to get him for nothing in 6 months time?

The same people who know that I have to learn when to stop flogging a dead meme.

(Haha I like how this was modified).
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14342 on: October 6, 2022, 02:05:42 pm »
The same people who know that I have to learn when to stop flogging a dead meme.

Why did you name your horse "meme?"
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14343 on: October 6, 2022, 02:29:23 pm »
Don't get how it's getting mentioned that he will be sold in January, when he'll be on free in the summer? Who would pay anything for him when they'll be able to get him for nothing in 6 months time?

The same people who know that I have to learn when to stop flogging a dead meme.

Its an ironic question to ask in this thread, since we paid more than Naby Keitas release fee to get him and avoid competing for his signature ;)
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14344 on: October 6, 2022, 02:45:04 pm »
Why did you name your horse "meme?"
Its an ironic question to ask in this thread, since we paid more than Naby Keitas release fee to get him and avoid competing for his signature ;)

There is a very clever modification at work here!

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14345 on: October 6, 2022, 03:39:51 pm »
Its an ironic question to ask in this thread, since we paid more than Naby Keitas release fee to get him and avoid competing for his signature ;)

I'm not sure other clubs will be as desperate to sign him as we were when we paid up for him.  Think if there are any clubs after him, they will wait until he is fit and see how the rest of the season pans out for him in terms of injuries.
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14346 on: October 6, 2022, 03:43:46 pm »
I'm not sure other clubs will be as desperate to sign him as we were when we paid up for him.  Think if there are any clubs after him, they will wait until he is fit and see how the rest of the season pans out for him in terms of injuries.

You never know do you? Bayern might fancy him on a free, Red Bull might fancy not competing with Bayern to sign him on a free and chuck a nominal fee at us to sign him early.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14347 on: October 6, 2022, 03:49:03 pm »
You never know do you? Bayern might fancy him on a free, Red Bull might fancy not competing with Bayern to sign him on a free and chuck a nominal fee at us to sign him early.

It's a long shot, I'd be very happy if it happened, and we got something back for him.  Nothing against his ability, obviously, just his fitness/injury record.   
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14348 on: October 6, 2022, 06:04:26 pm »
From Reddit, make of it what you will:


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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14349 on: October 6, 2022, 06:08:47 pm »
:D

What do you make of it Dave?
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14350 on: October 6, 2022, 06:41:10 pm »
From Reddit, make of it what you will:



Will the club go full Everton and take his locker off him like Niasse? :D

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14351 on: October 6, 2022, 06:49:28 pm »
Here's a tweet from 5 days ago where Arthur was in that spot.

https://twitter.com/lfc/status/1576200083883708416

Almost like stuff gets moved around depending on the squad.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14352 on: October 6, 2022, 06:55:21 pm »
From Reddit, make of it what you will:



Looks photoshop'd to me :)
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14354 on: October 6, 2022, 07:28:59 pm »


Naby's name between Milner and Firmino on the left.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14355 on: October 6, 2022, 08:51:36 pm »
:D

What do you make of it Dave?

Why can't you all just let me have my Naby conspiracy theories in peace ;)

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14356 on: October 6, 2022, 09:37:39 pm »
Can't believe they've removed his name plate, what a devious plot - lucky they forget the shirt underneath, otherwise it'd never have been foiled

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14357 on: October 7, 2022, 08:23:59 am »


Naby's name between Milner and Firmino on the left.

Looks like Jones, the Ox and Robertson are leaving as well  ;)
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14358 on: October 7, 2022, 11:24:41 am »
From Reddit, make of it what you will:



Heard his most recent injury was due to his name falling on him. This confirms it.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #14359 on: October 7, 2022, 11:57:28 am »
Heard his most recent injury was due to his name falling on him. This confirms it.

I heard that it didn't actually hit him. He tried to dodge it but ended up pulling a muscle.