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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19680 on: September 8, 2023, 09:42:37 am »
20/21 he was a very, very good ball progresser. https://fbref.com/en/players/7f3b388c/scout/10728/Fabinho-Scouting-Report

19/20 pretty decent with some decent assist numbers, https://fbref.com/en/players/7f3b388c/scout/3232/Fabinho-Scouting-Report

21/22 he dropped off but still top 34% for midfielders, https://fbref.com/en/players/7f3b388c/scout/11160/Fabinho-Scouting-Report

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19681 on: September 8, 2023, 09:48:20 am »
Fabinho was often called the ‘lighthouse’ and I just nodded because I had no idea what the term referred to and seeing the difference interpretations from several posters it seems there is no set definition.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19682 on: September 8, 2023, 09:51:14 am »
That was just my understanding of the nickname, a lighthouse is something that warns of nearby danger so I always thought of it as being a way to describe how Fabinho (used) to be able to read the game and snuff out any danger before it got close to our goal.

He used to be a lighthouse, but by the time he left he'd become a bollard.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19683 on: September 8, 2023, 09:53:07 am »
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19684 on: September 8, 2023, 09:54:16 am »
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Lijnders, speaking to ESPN, raved over his impact in the middle of the park, describing the 25-year-old as “like a lighthouse.”

“To adapt to the intensity of our play, that takes time. Not many can do it, and in certain positions it is easier than others,” he explained.

“If you are a front player and you come in, and you are used to playing in an attacking way, then it is easier, depending on the specific attributes you have as a player.

“For him, to play in a midfield three as we did at the start of the season, we knew from the first second, we knew from the videos that it would take time.

“His impulse of defending forward is absolutely of the highest level. The question as a No. 6 is that you are moving more side to side than forwards. Then of course you have to adapt.

“And then we find a good solution to change to 4-4-2. And from that moment it helped so much, and then you saw the real Fabinho.

“Inside the ‘organised chaos’ that we want, that we like, he is like a lighthouse, he controls it and for me, you can still have the style of the gaffer and how we want to identify ourselves.

“But with a player like Fabinho in the middle, the ball always goes out round. That’s how they say it in Portuguese.

“His timing, his vision, his calmness, it gives another dimension to our midfield player.”

This notion of the “lighthouse” references Fabinho‘s standing as a top-level defensive midfielder: a cool head in a busy system.


It is notable that since Fabinho‘s introduction, Jordan Henderson has largely operated in a more advanced role, having spent last season as Klopp’s first-choice No. 6.

Whether the captain’s deficiencies in an unnatural role were a point of discussion within the coaching staff over the summer is unclear, but in Lijnders’ explanation of a change in emphasis, Fabinho‘s influence shines through.

“What’s natural for a team to develop is, if you look now to the teams we play, teams are set up to really just play counter-attack against us and really defend the centre zone,” he continued.

“You really need a certain stability in possession and a certain control and position to have that stability [so] you don’t get countered.

“It’s purely based on how we are protecting ourselves in attack and how stable we are, how with the right tempo we are passing the ball, moving and create in certain zones players being close to each other who can combine.

“That stability in possession, that’s what you see more. That’s purely based on that we stop more counters.


“That’s purely based that we can attack more and that it doesn’t come from that deep.

“That’s not our decision, it’s the decision of the opposition.”

The signing of Fabinho was an inspired one, coming as a surprise to most, and now it is proving one central to the evolution of Liverpool from contenders to title favourites.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19685 on: September 8, 2023, 09:57:34 am »
Fabinho was often called the ‘lighthouse’ and I just nodded because I had no idea what the term referred to and seeing the difference interpretations from several posters it seems there is no set definition.
From the original interview Lijnders did with ESPN.
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ESPN: Summer signing Fabinho has helped with these tactical alterations. Just how much is he blossoming in a Liverpool shirt after a slow start?

Lijnders: "To adapt to the intensity of our play, that takes time. Not many can do it, and in certain positions it is easier than others. If you are a front player and you come in, and you are used to playing in an attacking way, then it is easier, depending on the specific attributes you have as a player. For him, to play in a midfield three as we did at the start of the season, we knew from the first second, we knew from the videos that it would take time. His impulse of defending forward is absolutely of the highest level. The question as a No. 6 is that you are moving more side to side than forwards. Then of course you have to adapt, and then we find a good solution to change to 4-4-2. And from that moment it helped so much, and then you saw the real Fabinho. Inside the 'organised chaos' that we want, that we like, he is like a lighthouse, he controls it and for me, you can still have the style of the gaffer and how we want to identify ourselves. But with a player like Fabinho in the middle, the ball always goes out round. That's how they say it in Portuguese. His timing, his vision, his calmness, it gives another dimension to our midfield player."

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37506889/liverpool-no-2-pep-lijnders-salah-role-change-fabinho-defensive-solidity
That line seems to be talking about his on the ball qualities. Secure in possession, calm under pressure, and being a safe, available option for his teammates.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19686 on: September 8, 2023, 10:02:27 am »
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This notion of the “lighthouse” references Fabinho‘s standing as a top-level defensive midfielder: a cool head in a busy system.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19687 on: September 8, 2023, 10:23:25 am »
Reading all this, I really wish we could have seen the Benitez midfield surrounded by the quality we have now. Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano, Lucas.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19688 on: September 8, 2023, 10:28:50 am »
Reading all this, I really wish we could have seen the Benitez midfield surrounded by the quality we have now. Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano, Lucas.
I'd have liked to see Gerrard under Klopp's management - extraordinary though it is to imagine, he would have been a better player; and it's possible that he might have been a better man.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19689 on: September 8, 2023, 10:32:19 am »
Reading all this, I really wish we could have seen the Benitez midfield surrounded by the quality we have now. Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano, Lucas.

I really like our midfield now in an attacking sense. The glorious thing would have been peak Liverpool VVD defence (plus fullbacks) and peak level Mane, Firmino, Salah with that midfield. Mascherano instead of Fab, Alonso instead of Gini/ Thiago, Gerrard instead of Henderson.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19690 on: September 8, 2023, 10:57:44 am »
I really like our midfield now in an attacking sense. The glorious thing would have been peak Liverpool VVD defence (plus fullbacks) and peak level Mane, Firmino, Salah with that midfield. Mascherano instead of Fab, Alonso instead of Gini/ Thiago, Gerrard instead of Henderson.

I don't think our midfield unit has ever been stronger than that trio plus Lucas. Every one of them at least comparable to the best in our history, plus the will-be-excellent Lucas coming up.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19691 on: September 8, 2023, 11:13:48 am »
I don't think our midfield unit has ever been stronger than that trio plus Lucas. Every one of them at least comparable to the best in our history, plus the will-be-excellent Lucas coming up.
It's safe to say this is the first all Klopp midifeld, with Milner and Henderson being the last of the first team midfielders he inherited.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19692 on: September 8, 2023, 11:24:20 am »

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Szoboszlai & Mac Allister have already played more league minutes for Liverpool in 4 games than Ox and Keita played in the whole of 22/23 season.

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« Reply #19693 on: September 8, 2023, 11:31:25 am »
I don't think our midfield unit has ever been stronger than that trio plus Lucas. Every one of them at least comparable to the best in our history, plus the will-be-excellent Lucas coming up.

They were dominating everybody include Madrid, Chelsea and United. Just played it past everyone in their way.

The Klopp midfield is the closest thing we have got and perhaps a bit more creative too.

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« Reply #19694 on: September 8, 2023, 11:49:56 am »
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Szoboszlai & Mac Allister have already played more league minutes for Liverpool in 4 games than Ox and Keita played in the whole of 22/23 season.

This is why it was probably always going to be alright letting 5 go and bringing 4 in. Also, if we can rest Mac Allister and Szoboszlai for the Europa League group games they won't end up being overplayed throughout the season you'd think. Endo/Gravenberc/Thiago/Jones/Elliot/Bajcetic should be able to take care of that and get their own minutes up so they're more ready to contribute elsewhere.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19695 on: September 8, 2023, 12:03:34 pm »
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Szoboszlai & Mac Allister have already played more league minutes for Liverpool in 4 games than Ox and Keita played in the whole of 22/23 season.
Then with Endo, Gravenberc, Jones, Elliot, Bajcetic all looking like quality that will get better, and a little sprinkling of the magic that is Thiago (who statistically was in more games we won than without him), getting money for the declining players and not losing Salah means this window will look better in hindsight as the season goes on.
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« Reply #19696 on: September 8, 2023, 12:10:21 pm »
I'd have liked to see Gerrard under Klopp's management - extraordinary though it is to imagine, he would have been a better player; and it's possible that he might have been a better man.

Yeah, he was exactly the manager he really needed. Benitez was, but his personality just couldn't mesh with Gerrard. Houllier helped him a lot but ultimately his teams were very rigid.

Gerrard seemed to spend the 2000s stuck in a 4-4-2 mindset where he was the one of the two centre mids. Therefore if Rafa played 4-2-3-1, he had to be one of the two, even though he was effective in the three. The only time he accepted that was when Mascherano and Alonso were sat behind him. Under Klopp he would have just revelled in being a number 8 - a much more rounded and better version of what we wanted Ox/Keita to be when we signed them (and Ox showed glimpses of before that injury).
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« Reply #19697 on: September 8, 2023, 12:18:23 pm »
This is why it was probably always going to be alright letting 5 go and bringing 4 in. Also, if we can rest Mac Allister and Szoboszlai for the Europa League group games they won't end up being overplayed throughout the season you'd think. Endo/Gravenberc/Thiago/Jones/Elliot/Bajcetic should be able to take care of that and get their own minutes up so they're more ready to contribute elsewhere.

Too many old legs last season and then Jones being out most of the season in addition. He made a big difference in the run-in, just having someone in there who could do the basics and the essentials. Keita and Ox were basically a write off as well in terms of midfield (whether they were fit or not, they were rarely getting picked in a broken midfield).

The issue was we went into last season with 8 midfielders which was more than enough, the problem was the profile was all wrong and we gambled we'd get another year out of all the other 30s and didn't move on Keita/Ox. So it's 5 out and 4 in but in addition to that you've got Bajcetic as well who wasn't counted as part of the first team going into last season.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19698 on: September 8, 2023, 12:22:17 pm »
All those lighthouse quotes seem to be lifted...
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« Reply #19699 on: September 8, 2023, 12:33:23 pm »
Yeah, he was exactly the manager he really needed. Benitez was, but his personality just couldn't mesh with Gerrard. Houllier helped him a lot but ultimately his teams were very rigid.

Gerrard seemed to spend the 2000s stuck in a 4-4-2 mindset where he was the one of the two centre mids. Therefore if Rafa played 4-2-3-1, he had to be one of the two, even though he was effective in the three. The only time he accepted that was when Mascherano and Alonso were sat behind him. Under Klopp he would have just revelled in being a number 8 - a much more rounded and better version of what we wanted Ox/Keita to be when we signed them (and Ox showed glimpses of before that injury).

I was pretty young back when we're talking so this might be nonsense. That said, I wonder if Benitez was a genius really because he effectively played him in the sorts of positions on the pitch that De Bruyne plays for City these days, positions that he'd be playing if he'd come along once 433 came into vogue. That is Benitez prevented him from being shackled by the tactics of the day and freed him up in an attacking sense. So I don't know if Benitez did anything wrong with him, could Gerrard really have been much better than he was? A bit more love from Klopp would probably have stopped him almost leaving the club I guess, but better on the pitch? Not sure.

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« Reply #19700 on: September 8, 2023, 12:40:43 pm »
All those lighthouse quotes seem to be lifted...

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« Reply #19701 on: September 8, 2023, 12:44:38 pm »
All those lighthouse quotes seem to be lifted...
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« Reply #19702 on: September 8, 2023, 12:53:56 pm »
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Szoboszlai & Mac Allister have already played more league minutes for Liverpool in 4 games than Ox and Keita played in the whole of 22/23 season.
While it does highlight how little Naby & the Ox* played last season, Szobo & Mac are replacing Fabinho & Henderson's minutes.

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« Reply #19703 on: September 8, 2023, 01:36:08 pm »
I thought he was called a lighthouse because his favorite churrascaria was named that and he has picture on the wall of honor for finishing the 96 oz filet challenge?

To me, this seems like the more reasonable explanation

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« Reply #19704 on: September 8, 2023, 01:38:59 pm »
Whilst I partly agree with the traditional definitions and benefits of a DM 6, or a CM 8, or an AM 10, it does create a reliance on specialist roles that are then problematic if injuries strike, or a player's form drops off, or when we need to find a replacement if they leave.

Elite players are also not usually fixed to one role. Gerrard could be a box to box CM 8, or an AM 10 role playing just off the striker, and then becoming more of a deep-lying hybrid DM 6/'quarterback' in his later years. Not everyone is his level, but with a good footballing brain and a manager like Jurgen, I think a player's role is far more malleable nowadays compared to the more traditional positions.

Perhaps Jurgen's vision is a more fluid one that involves multi-disciplinary players who are very good at set roles, but can seamlessly slot into others without affecting the system. We saw how much we missed Fabinho when he played CB in 2020/21, and again when his form dropped last season. We were perhaps over-reliant on a single player doing a specific job in a specific setup. Replacing that role then becomes difficult, as the pool of players at the club (or elsewhere) that fit the profile and quality will be very small.

It's like the analogy of teams being like jigsaw puzzles - where you need to find the missing piece to complete the picture, and it's not quite the same without it and is far more noticeable when it's missing. But teams should really be more like Lego* - interchangeable pieces that you can rebuild into something different when needed, and where alternative pieces can be used to replace ones that are missing - without affecting the overall structure or purpose.

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« Reply #19705 on: September 8, 2023, 01:41:19 pm »
Gerrard as an 8 in Klopp's system and this team would've stomped all over the league.
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« Reply #19706 on: September 8, 2023, 01:43:45 pm »
I was pretty young back when we're talking so this might be nonsense. That said, I wonder if Benitez was a genius really because he effectively played him in the sorts of positions on the pitch that De Bruyne plays for City these days, positions that he'd be playing if he'd come along once 433 came into vogue. That is Benitez prevented him from being shackled by the tactics of the day and freed him up in an attacking sense. So I don't know if Benitez did anything wrong with him, could Gerrard really have been much better than he was? A bit more love from Klopp would probably have stopped him almost leaving the club I guess, but better on the pitch? Not sure.

4231 was in vogue at the time and what Rafa played. It was a more conservative era so you tended to have 2 sitting midfielders. Having Gerrard as one of those two was a) heavily restricting the player and what he was great at in his peak and (b) although he could do a good job there, you wouldn't get the defensive discipline that Rafa wanted as he'd often wander. It was best to have him in more of a free role (i.e. off Torres with Masch and Alonso behind him).

He was absolutely made for a Klopp midfield though.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19707 on: September 8, 2023, 01:46:31 pm »
Gerrard was a phenomenon though, and incredibly versatile. You cant have a system that requires 3 Gerrard as CMs

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19708 on: September 8, 2023, 01:53:08 pm »
Gerrard as an 8 in Klopp's system and this team would've stomped all over the league.

He'd have been unreal as an 8 in the current system because he'd had the physicality to do the off the ball stuff and drive/creativity to do the attacking aspects we ask of our number 8's (and more).

Midfielder wise we've had non-one in the 30 odd years I've been watching that is even remotely close to Gerrard's all round ability and physicality
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« Reply #19709 on: September 8, 2023, 01:56:44 pm »
This is why it was probably always going to be alright letting 5 go and bringing 4 in. Also, if we can rest Mac Allister and Szoboszlai for the Europa League group games they won't end up being overplayed throughout the season you'd think. Endo/Gravenberc/Thiago/Jones/Elliot/Bajcetic should be able to take care of that and get their own minutes up so they're more ready to contribute elsewhere.

This is how I think too and to be honest I would go even 1 step further and not even register the likes of Salah or Thiago for Europe pre-Christmas. But from past experience I wouldn't be surprised if Klopp starts Salah for 6 Europa games.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19710 on: September 8, 2023, 01:59:20 pm »
He'd have been unreal as an 8 in the current system because he'd had the physicality to do the off the ball stuff and drive/creativity to do the attacking aspects we ask of our number 8's (and more).

Midfielder wise we've had non-one in the 30 odd years I've been watching that is even remotely close to Gerrard's all round ability and physicality

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19711 on: September 8, 2023, 03:20:49 pm »
Whilst I partly agree with the traditional definitions and benefits of a DM 6, or a CM 8, or an AM 10, it does create a reliance on specialist roles that are then problematic if injuries strike, or a player's form drops off, or when we need to find a replacement if they leave.

Elite players are also not usually fixed to one role. Gerrard could be a box to box CM 8, or an AM 10 role playing just off the striker, and then becoming more of a deep-lying hybrid DM 6/'quarterback' in his later years. Not everyone is his level, but with a good footballing brain and a manager like Jurgen, I think a player's role is far more malleable nowadays compared to the more traditional positions.

Perhaps Jurgen's vision is a more fluid one that involves multi-disciplinary players who are very good at set roles, but can seamlessly slot into others without affecting the system. We saw how much we missed Fabinho when he played CB in 2020/21, and again when his form dropped last season. We were perhaps over-reliant on a single player doing a specific job in a specific setup. Replacing that role then becomes difficult, as the pool of players at the club (or elsewhere) that fit the profile and quality will be very small.

It's like the analogy of teams being like jigsaw puzzles - where you need to find the missing piece to complete the picture, and it's not quite the same without it and is far more noticeable when it's missing. But teams should really be more like Lego* - interchangeable pieces that you can rebuild into something different when needed, and where alternative pieces can be used to replace ones that are missing - without affecting the overall structure or purpose.

*not sure how well this analogy works, but having built a Lego Millennium Falcon with my son last night, it sounded good in my head.

We can’t afford the unicorns that can do everything though. Or they’ve chosen to go elsewhere. If we had a midfield of Bellingham, Tchouameni and one other they could all do every position. But getting players able to do everything is just so expensive.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19712 on: September 8, 2023, 04:39:41 pm »
We can’t afford the unicorns that can do everything though. Or they’ve chosen to go elsewhere. If we had a midfield of Bellingham, Tchouameni and one other they could all do every position. But getting players able to do everything is just so expensive.

Or we make them. Jones, for example, was an attacker utilised in the front three and now he has the capability to play as a defensive midfielder. Mac can play in any position in midfield and I’m pretty sure Dom can well.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19713 on: September 8, 2023, 05:03:32 pm »
Yeah, Jones never loses the ball, Bajetic looks quite press resistant as well. I was sure we needed a pure DM, but i'm now liking this plan of having an insanely fluid midfield that can just switch about.
This midfield is going to be fun to watch over the next ten years.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19715 on: September 8, 2023, 05:55:44 pm »
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19716 on: September 9, 2023, 07:36:30 am »
Or we make them. Jones, for example, was an attacker utilised in the front three and now he has the capability to play as a defensive midfielder. Mac can play in any position in midfield and I’m pretty sure Dom can well.
Exactly. Jones is a good example of adaptability rather than thinking in fixed positions.

Look at what we've also done with Trent - who's already gone from a midfielder in the Academy, to RB, to attacking fullback (almost an auxilliary winger at times), to a deep-lying hybrid role pinging 60-yard passes. Or how Robbo arrived for £8m from relegated Hull as a battling LB and became one of the best attacking fullbacks in the world (often switching sides with Trent). Or Gini arriving from relegated Newcastle, and changing from a goalscoring AM to one of the best ball-retaining/pressing/controlling CMs in the league. Or how Bobby's role evolved, or Mo and Sadio often switching flanks or playing through the middle. Even Thiago could play as a 6, 8 or 10, although clearly not as a long term option.

Midfield is probably the hardest area to perform multiple roles, but even Gerrard grew into them over time. He wasn't performing them all perfectly in the same season - evolving from all-action box to box 8, to a goalscoring 10 with Torres, to a deep-lying quarterback role, where he had more time on the ball to use his incredible passing range. Each of those roles suited our team and formations at the time, whilst also allowing him to adapt as he got older.

He's obviously an outlier (like Bellingham) in terms of sheer talent, but I think adaptability is much more common with modern players, especially under an innovative manager like Jurgen. The players we've bought in (plus existing midfielders) clearly have specialisms, but I personally don't think this limits a player's potential to be deployed into different roles. Especially Gravenberch, who I think Jurgen can mould into anything he wants.

Tactical and positional discipline can be coached if you have the right physical attributes and raw skillset. There's numerous examples of players at other clubs who've gone on to perform roles at elite level from a very different starting point.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19717 on: September 9, 2023, 07:49:57 am »
Total football I think we devastating against low blocks but against the very best sides I think you may be better served with a specialist.

Against the bottom three
Gravenberch - Mac - Dom

Against the top 6
Mac - Endo - Dom

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19718 on: September 22, 2023, 09:30:40 am »
Is completely and utterly transformed.

The amount of depth, quality, skills, swagger, energy, talent in our midfield is unprecedented.

After years of having an industrial, workmanlike midfield that did a great job of defending spaces behind our fullbacks in transition, giving us stability and legs we are about to build something truly special that can offer a lot more. We have completely robbed off Leipzig for a player that's easily worth over 120 m in this market , a player who looks destined to become one of the best around.

From a department that bolstered our squad it looks like we're building something that can be our main strength. Truly, truly exciting times ahead.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #19719 on: September 22, 2023, 11:51:04 am »
Is completely and utterly transformed.

The amount of depth, quality, skills, swagger, energy, talent in our midfield is unprecedented.

After years of having an industrial, workmanlike midfield that did a great job of defending spaces behind our fullbacks in transition, giving us stability and legs we are about to build something truly special that can offer a lot more. We have completely robbed off Leipzig for a player that's easily worth over 120 m in this market , a player who looks destined to become one of the best around.

From a department that bolstered our squad it looks like we're building something that can be our main strength. Truly, truly exciting times ahead.


yep - the week of the chelsea debacle it felt like we'd been kicked in the bollocks - but it turns out our balls are made of titanium - we brushed ourselves off, counted to ten, and quickly found we had actually already signed 2 of the game-changing world-class players we needed... then we added in my opinion Milners replacement (Endo) plus the player Klopp had his eyes on for ages (Ryan) who showed last night that once he dusts himself off and gets up to speed and accuracy, hes going to be phernominal - weve got 3 of the best midfielders in the league and Europe - good times ahead - going to be an exciting ride - cant wait
... and in fact make that 4 of the best midfielders incl young Stephan in a year or two