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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #880 on: September 23, 2010, 12:15:15 pm »
Babel - should look at this statement and then think I shoudl kill myself simple..

That fucking display from somebody doing his best to establish himself in our first team wasn't worthy of a junior performance in fact our under 16's can play fucking better.

He was plain and simple shite.. get rid now.. while people still think he's good because anymore shocking displays like this and his value will be half by january

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What about the rest of the team last night? Get rid of them aswell?

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #881 on: September 23, 2010, 12:19:45 pm »
No excuses for last nite .. We weren't good enough.. And I #failed personally .. Haven't lost faith, so I keep working..

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #882 on: September 23, 2010, 12:21:35 pm »
Re: Babel: I'm not finished here  @ryanbabel...yes you are.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #883 on: September 23, 2010, 12:23:23 pm »
Wish we had sold him to Birmingham for £9m or whatever it was in January. Fucking useless last night, absolutely clueless and repeatedly offside.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #884 on: September 23, 2010, 12:28:56 pm »
i have warched last nights game. First 90 mins anyway. And i have to say, the new Ryan babel, actually works very very hard, but doesnt have a fucking clue.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #885 on: September 23, 2010, 12:29:16 pm »
Wish we had sold him to Birmingham for £9m or whatever it was in January. Fucking useless last night, absolutely clueless and repeatedly offside.

Only arguament against that is we wouldn't have replaced him. Or we might get something worse!

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #886 on: September 23, 2010, 12:33:45 pm »
Can I just ask anyone who watched it to confirm something:

Did Babel play up top? IE partnering Ngog?

If so, I don't think you can put it all on Ryan. Sure, he thinks he's a striker, but none of his coaches ever really have done, and towards the end of last season he was actually showing signs of becoming a pretty consistent player in (surprisingly) the LW/LF slot he HAS been used in for most of his career. Even besides that, Babel is a speedster - if you are going to play him up top in a traditional 4-4-2, especially with 2 deep, narrow, banks of 4, then you need some muscle next to him. It's not really surprising that the one striker to thrive so far under Roy is the only one who actually seems to understand how to play as a target man (though I don't think that's really Ngog's big strengths either).

I can't for the life of me undrestand why Roy used Duff and Davies on their 'wrong' sides for Fulham, yet he arrives here, implements essentially the same tactics, only with the wingers on the 'correct' side, plus his 'alternative' plan seems to be the exact same tactics but in a flat 4-4-2. Very strange. From what I've seen I thought Roy's tactics were a lot better at Fullham then they have been here.

Anyway, back to Babel, he was starting to put in a good shift down the left. Roy has taken it upon himself to tell the lad he's a striker now, based on nothing, heaped pressure on the players before this match with the comment that 'you have to ask questions about their ability as professionals', set them up, seemingly, in a 4-4-2 that doesn't remotely suit Babel, especially next to an Ngog, then massively laid into them after the match, having talked about Ryan never really having had a 'fair chance'.

Not blaming Roy for all Ryan's problems either, but it does strike me as glaring that, based on Fulham's tactics, Jova and Babel are our only two wide players who seem suited to bridging the kind of gap we have between midfield and defence, who can actually carry the ball over a distance - both things Fulham's wingers did quite a bit, yet Babel hasn't been used on the wing for more than a few minutes, Jova's already been relegated to the 2nd string, and none of our wide players are being used in the way Roy did successfully at Fulham.

Then to not make any changes whatsoever through the whole 90 minutes. Nah, Ryan has his issues, but there was plenty of other coaches and video footage etc etc for Roy to research as to why it is that so few coaches have played Babel up top, despite the players own desires. Babel being anonymous when starting up top and running offside a lot is exactly what Babel does when he starts up top - because he lacks positional sense, brains and a consistent first touch - all things you really need to be a pacy forward, I reckon.

To be honest I feel quite sorry for all the team put out last night, well, to an extent anyway. Most of them have done well in the Europa in a 4-2-3-1 - none of Rafa's players anymore have meaningful experience of a flat 4-4-2, especially in combination with Roy's approach to the game, and now they've all had an absolute roasting off the manager, when the 'first 11' has been coddled after every shit performance they've put in this season. Don't like that kind of inconsistency, don't like the coach putting so much on the players when there's youth out there and we also need some of these players.

Sorry, I've rambled again, but can anyone confirm the formation for me please?
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #887 on: September 23, 2010, 12:34:34 pm »
............. and that Roy is why he wasn't given a chance up front - bet you aren't wondering why anymore, are you?

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #888 on: September 23, 2010, 12:41:56 pm »
I firmly believe that Babel should never play for Liverpool FC again.

Talk about a waste of time with this lad. Seriously what is the point?

I have seen the lad play up front and he isnt good enough and on the left he doesnt do it.

If I was Roy I would invest my time in Eccelstone who can do the job that Babel is doing at the moment.

Time to sell in Jan without question.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #889 on: September 23, 2010, 12:42:58 pm »

Sorry, I've rambled again, but can anyone confirm the formation for me please?

He did play up top, and as the usually reasonable NeilD said earlier, he's clueless there.

It's kind of unfair to single out anyone from that debacle, but he's consistently shown the antithesis of a football brain. I think he's probably uncoachable.
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #890 on: September 23, 2010, 12:43:27 pm »
Re: Babel: I'm not finished here  @ryanbabel...yes you are.
is it actually him or one of the fake accounts?

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #891 on: September 23, 2010, 12:46:05 pm »
For me, if you're gonna play him, play him wide right.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #892 on: September 23, 2010, 12:46:14 pm »
He's just posted on twitter!

No excuses for last nite .. We weren't good enough.. And I #failed personally .. Haven't lost faith, so I keep working..

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #893 on: September 23, 2010, 12:47:07 pm »
Like Gareth, I've never fully understood the seemingly never-ending love for Babel by some on these boards.  I've seen him have good games, in some cases exceptional.  Some good cameos too. And there's no doubt he has the potential to be a lot better than he is.

But he's been here a while now and never progressed beyond being an impact sub.  And don't give me all that bollocks about 'opportunities' or a 'run in the side'.  First of all, he's had plenty of starts both in the league and in games like last night and he was pretty shite in all of them.  That leads onto the second point about 'a run in the side'.  Good players are ready to play when they're picked, regardless, first of all.  But also, how can he expect a run in the side when he's doing fuck all with his starting chances?

Can only really summarize and say yes, I do think he has the potential, but not here. Needs a fresh start. You are finished here, Ryan.
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #894 on: September 23, 2010, 01:00:25 pm »
He's just posted on twitter!

No excuses for last nite .. We weren't good enough.. And I #failed personally .. Haven't lost faith, so I keep working..

Jeez, this man annoys the life out of me.

Haven't lost faith!  In what?  His ability to stroll around the pitch and not contribute anything?  His ability to pick up a hefty paycheck for doing nothing much?  Or maybe his ability to keep refusing to move to another club?!

Sooner we get shut of him the better imo.
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #895 on: September 23, 2010, 01:03:31 pm »
  Or maybe his ability to keep refusing to move to another club?!

last time I check, its the current and past manager who refuse to sell him

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #896 on: September 23, 2010, 01:08:13 pm »
for me, Babel has had enough chances to prove himself since he joined us but he didn't prove himself well! maybe he was good but not good enough for Liverpool FC .. that's it!

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #897 on: September 23, 2010, 01:17:34 pm »
I hope Ryan starts the next game against Sunderland.
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #898 on: September 23, 2010, 01:18:30 pm »
He's just posted on twitter!

No excuses for last nite .. We weren't good enough.. And I #failed personally .. Haven't lost faith, so I keep working..

Twat.  When you personally 'fail' against Northampton, it's God telling you something fundamental about your choice of career.  It's not about YOU losing faith, it's about our collective sighing and feeling deflated when we see your name in the starting line-up because you. just. simply. sprint. and. fuck. things. up.
Can't put it any simpler than that Ryan, what the fuck did they teach you at Ajax?  I'm guessing you weren't fucking listening in most classes because last night was, literally, a-typical of 99% of games in which I've seen you feature.
What are 'working' on now?  Your shooting?  Like the other day?  Brilliant.  While you're at it, why don't you practice Cruyff turns and keepy-uppies and some flim-flams or whatever the fuck they're called.  Good shooting last night by the way.  Against Northampton, at Anfield.
How much you getting a week?  £40,000? About right? 
Not only would Shankly not pick you, he would also pull your pants down in front of a packed Kop and give you a fucking spanking and then sell you off to whoever was first to phone up.
I fucking cringe when I see your name around our team. 
You can go tell THAT.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #899 on: September 23, 2010, 01:20:55 pm »
Twat.  When you personally 'fail' against Northampton, it's God telling you something fundamental about your choice of career.  It's not about YOU losing faith, it's about our collective sighing and feeling deflated when we see your name in the starting line-up because you. just. simply. sprint. and. fuck. things. up.
Can't put it any simpler than that Ryan, what the fuck did they teach you at Ajax?  I'm guessing you weren't fucking listening in most classes because last night was, literally, a-typical of 99% of games in which I've seen you feature.
What are 'working' on now?  Your shooting?  Like the other day?  Brilliant.  While you're at it, why don't you practice Cruyff turns and keepy-uppies and some flim-flams or whatever the fuck they're called.  Good shooting last night by the way.  Against Northampton, at Anfield.
How much you getting a week?  £40,000? About right? 
Not only would Shankly not pick you, he would also pull your pants down in front of a packed Kop and give you a fucking spanking and then sell you off to whoever was first to phone up.
I fucking cringe when I see your name around our team. 
You can go tell THAT.


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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #900 on: September 23, 2010, 02:09:01 pm »

.....You can go tell THAT.


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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #901 on: September 23, 2010, 02:31:32 pm »
I hope Ryan starts the next game against Sunderland.
Same. I still believe in the lad. Just the same way others believe in the little brazilian blonde fella we have.
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #902 on: September 23, 2010, 02:32:58 pm »
You can go tell THAT. Homeboy!


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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #903 on: September 23, 2010, 02:33:11 pm »
Twat.  When you personally 'fail' against Northampton, it's God telling you something fundamental about your choice of career.  It's not about YOU losing faith, it's about our collective sighing and feeling deflated when we see your name in the starting line-up because you. just. simply. sprint. and. fuck. things. up.
Can't put it any simpler than that Ryan, what the fuck did they teach you at Ajax?  I'm guessing you weren't fucking listening in most classes because last night was, literally, a-typical of 99% of games in which I've seen you feature.
What are 'working' on now?  Your shooting?  Like the other day?  Brilliant.  While you're at it, why don't you practice Cruyff turns and keepy-uppies and some flim-flams or whatever the fuck they're called.  Good shooting last night by the way.  Against Northampton, at Anfield.
How much you getting a week?  £40,000? About right? 
Not only would Shankly not pick you, he would also pull your pants down in front of a packed Kop and give you a fucking spanking and then sell you off to whoever was first to phone up.
I fucking cringe when I see your name around our team. 
You can go tell THAT.


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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #904 on: September 23, 2010, 02:37:01 pm »
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #905 on: September 23, 2010, 02:44:32 pm »
Those that played last night need to get back on the horse especially when the manager refuses to take the flak for last night's overall shamble. Whilst feeling like shit after playing, it's no good for Babel, Lucas, Pacheco and everyone else reading/hearing comments from Roy blaming them solely for last night.

I hope he manages a few minutes on Saturday or even a start.
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #906 on: September 23, 2010, 02:46:41 pm »
See, it's performances like last night's which lead me to taking the piss out of the guy for fucking about on twitter and making rap music with his chums. The guy loves the lifestyle but he doesn't want to do whatever he needs to do to sort himself out. Either that or he's mind-numbingly stupid and can't understand what people are trying to teach him, because he's been here for years now and STILL doesn't impress anyone on a regular basis.

If he really honestly thinks he's a top player then he should have been spuffing his kecks at the thought of playing upfront against a 4th division side at Anfield, after all that is where he whinges about wanting to play (allegedly). But instead we get another half-arsed appearance where he just tries to sprint as much as he can with little else going on.

Bottom line, he's pretty shite. He might think he's a top player but he really isn't at all, and at this rate he's destined for a move back to Holland or perhaps a lower league side. He'll forever look back on his time here and wonder why he didn't make more of an effort and realise his potential. But frankly this isn't the club to be at if you want to fuck about, not put the effort in, and wait to progress.
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #907 on: September 23, 2010, 02:50:03 pm »
What about the rest of the team last night? Get rid of them aswell?

But this is the Babel thread
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #908 on: September 23, 2010, 02:50:51 pm »
See, it's performances like last night's which lead me to taking the piss out of the guy for fucking about on twitter and making rap music with his chums. The guy loves the lifestyle but he doesn't want to do whatever he needs to do to sort himself out. Either that or he's mind-numbingly stupid and can't understand what people are trying to teach him, because he's been here for years now and STILL doesn't impress anyone on a regular basis.

If he really honestly thinks he's a top player then he should have been spuffing his kecks at the thought of playing upfront against a 4th division side at Anfield, after all that is where he whinges about wanting to play (allegedly). But instead we get another half-arsed appearance where he just tries to sprint as much as he can with little else going on.

Bottom line, he's pretty shite. He might think he's a top player but he really isn't at all, and at this rate he's destined for a move back to Holland or perhaps a lower league side. He'll forever look back on his time here and wonder why he didn't make more of an effort and realise his potential. But frankly this isn't the club to be at if you want to fuck about, not put the effort in, and wait to progress.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #909 on: September 23, 2010, 02:52:58 pm »
Twat. 

yes you are. no single player deserves that level of criticism, regardless of how poor they played. you probably thought that little rant was funny, but i think it showed you up to be a right prick.
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #910 on: September 23, 2010, 03:08:06 pm »
He's made eighty odd appearances for us as a starter or sub, you'd think he might be showing something consistently by now? Far, far too inconsistent. We see the odd flash and think 'wow' maybe this time. Ultimately it's for a player to force his way into the first team through his performance in training, reserves and then to grab the initiative when he get's his first team chance. Far too often he's just been a passenger. This isn't some inexperienced up and coming player we're talking about, it's a player who has made over 150 club first team appearances and nearly 40 for his national side. Last night he was one of the most senior players on the pitch. Time to show a bit of leadership and initiative?

If he was going to make a breakthrough with us he would have done it by now. He's been here three years and we've seen very, very little.

Time to move him on if there are any takers asap.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #911 on: September 23, 2010, 03:12:26 pm »
Same. I still believe in the lad. Just the same way others believe in the little brazilian blonde fella we have.

See anyone who believes in both or one of them will be disappointed

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #912 on: September 23, 2010, 03:20:54 pm »
Only arguament against that is we wouldn't have replaced him. Or we might get something worse!
Ay least we wouldn't have to watch him again or pay his wages, I would pick one of the kids over him every day of the week.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #913 on: September 23, 2010, 03:28:10 pm »
the whole starting 11 failed against Northampton, they also require to find another career? Even the beloved Lucas and Agger?

Offtopic: Beloved Lucas was an oxymoron 2 seasons ago. We were kicking every opponent on our way to that 16 game unbeaten streak 2 seasons ago. Gosh it makes me sad. 1 person left and we were already kissing the 7th spot. And now with Rafa also gone, we are 5 points from 5 games.

How I wish Ryan would devote atleast half his time improving his football IQ and smashing a couple of hatricks against the lower league teams, instead of using that stupid twitter to post updates of when he gets up and post sad messages informing he is sad that LFC lost.

Didnt it strike to him one single bit that he is under a new manager and it takes a little effort to earn a starting berth and also smash some goals in games like yesterday? And he ended up making a bunny out of himself.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #914 on: September 23, 2010, 04:04:52 pm »
So much hatred. kuyt was worse for many games/season but he came through(for some). Lucas almost same, he seems to be trying harder especially under Roy, so till he goes let's back him, he is still our player
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #915 on: September 23, 2010, 04:43:37 pm »
the whole starting 11 failed against Northampton, they also require to find another career? Even the beloved Lucas and Agger?

Babel's performance last night was the tip of an awfully big, and awfully shit iceberg.
But Lucas did himself no favours last night, if I was making a list of our top midfielders then I'd be putting Spearing ahead of him.  Yep.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #916 on: September 23, 2010, 04:50:50 pm »
Lucas and Babel will walk in january anyway. If this is Lucas real level is questionable as he clearly feels he´s not wanted here anymore.

But that´s just speculation and doesn´t matter anyway, his time comes to an end here in january and is probably one of our minor things to worry about. I wish it would be our biggest...
One thing does need to be said: in the post-Benitez era, there was media-led clamour (but also some politicking going on at the club) to make the club more English; the idea being that the club had lost the very essence of what it means to be ‘Liverpool’. Guillem Ballague 18/11/10

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #917 on: September 23, 2010, 05:01:58 pm »
Good riddance to both of them.  Quite honestly I'm sick to death of some of our players taking the piss, 100% effort is never an 'option' for a Liverpool player.  Either you put it in, or you are fucked off to Trabzonspor, regardless of ability. 
Some of these attitudes stink, and we're still waiting on this 'arm around shoulder' approach from Roy to kick in.  Seems to me that Benitez managed these players very, very well and never took any shit.

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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #918 on: September 23, 2010, 05:48:01 pm »
But Lucas did himself no favours last night, if I was making a list of our top midfielders then I'd be putting Spearing ahead of him.  Yep.

first decent thing you said mate. thought he was the key weak link in the first 11. spearing was supposed to be deep, but lucas was deeper. how roy didnt see that none of them were attacking, was beyond belief. he didnt seem arsed until upto the last 10 mins, and in extra time.

felt sorry for spearing & kelly, who seemed like they actually gave a shit.
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Re: Babel: I'm not finished here
« Reply #919 on: September 23, 2010, 05:50:00 pm »
Spot on lads Spearing doesn't deserve any flak in my book one of the few players who got the ball down and passed it and worked hard. God knows why Lucas didn't take it upon himself to venture forward and try and influence the game further up the pitch.