Topic: FSG discussion thread

[CraigDS]

One minute it's an issue Gordon took time off, next minute it's an issue he's even there, apparently, micro-managing.

Hard to keep up.

[Mighty_Red]

I am not sure you can blame the SD or Klopp though. For me the lack of planning is down to the way FSG operates.

Everybody has to take their fair share of blame, to only blame one component is just not being objective. FSG always wanted to operate on a buy low sell high, why did this change? Jurgen wanted to keep his players. If it was purely upto FSG, Salah and Mane wouldve been sold for £100m each but we wouldn't have won half the trophies we have done. Knowing when to sell is always a difficult art especially when you're talking about the stars of the team. You also need a Juventus or a Utd to come in with stupid offers for your players.

Covid made a big impact on our transfer dealings, but you can't tell me that we were forced to buy Nunez ahead of other cheaper options to allow us to buy in areas.

Where FSG ultimately failed was the SD was not given licence to look after the transition of younger cheaper players properly, or wasn't competent enough to. It still comes down to FSG as they groomed Ward yet within months he wanted out.

[Eeyore]

One minute it's an issue Gordon took time off, next minute it's an issue he's even there, apparently, micro-managing.

Hard to keep up.

Why is too hard to keep up.

I think it is a flawed set-up without a Football man ideally an experienced DoF looking at the bigger picture and planning for the future. Gordon not being there to make decisions quickly just made the system even more ineffective.

[ToneLa]

Wish you posted against the Tories with this passion Al 

[Mighty_Red]

Wish you posted against the Tories with this passion Al 

In the list of villains to go after, the Tories, UEFA, and Man City are many,many levels above FSG!

[ToneLa]

Haha yep.

Anyway Mac Allister seems to be agreed

I have seen it written that Klopp's list also includes Kone, Thuram, and Veiga

Klopp's list, implying he is getting backed by FSG

[newterp]

MacAllister's fee looks to be a bargain as well.

[I've been a good boy]

It's the least Brighton owe us for letting that shite put 5 goals past them and effectively keeping them in the league.

[ScottScott]

Excellent work from the owners in getting Mac Allister for that fee. Identified where we needed a player and acted swiftly, selling him on the project and getting the contract sorted. They've obviously been busy this time around with links to players coming thick and fast. Keep up the excellent work lads

[Eeyore]

Excellent work from the owners in getting Mac Allister for that fee. Identified where we needed a player and acted swiftly, selling him on the project and getting the contract sorted. They've obviously been busy this time around with links to players coming thick and fast. Keep up the excellent work lads

Firstly the fee is dictated by the buyout clause. Secondly, let's see how it works out because for me his role isn't really a role we are that short in. I would say our biggest need is for a couple of midfield monsters. Players with athleticism and defensive qualities. Mac Allister is clearly a talented player but I wouldn't say it is a foregone conclusion that he will be a success. The real positive is that we have got him in early.

Hopefully we can add a couple of dynamic midfield players and a centre back and get our business done early. 

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Excellent work from the owners in getting Mac Allister for that fee. Identified where we needed a player and acted swiftly, selling him on the project and getting the contract sorted. They've obviously been busy this time around with links to players coming thick and fast. Keep up the excellent work lads

[Pistolero]

Excellent work from the owners in getting Mac Allister for that fee. Identified where we needed a player and acted swiftly, selling him on the project and getting the contract sorted. They've obviously been busy this time around with links to players coming thick and fast. Keep up the excellent work lads

Hope I'm not being too forward Linda...but that red dress looks great on you ....

[Kalito]

 

[ScottScott]

After last season and the players and staff letting me down so much, I've decided to fully back FSG and become an FSG fan. That's where the real fun lies nowadays, not on the pitch but in the boardrooms and on Excel spreadsheets

Looking forward to their performance this window and hoping for a couple of big announcements on the commercial side of things to go with the new Annie Road stand

[ianburns252]

After last season and the players and staff letting me down so much, I've decided to fully back FSG and become an FSG fan. That's where the real fun lies nowadays, not on the pitch but in the boardrooms and on Excel spreadsheets

Looking forward to their performance this window and hoping for a couple of big announcements on the commercial side of things to go with the new Annie Road stand

Not worth it if you don't win Twitter as well - need to make sure you aren't getting "ratio'd"

[Son of Spion]

Hope I'm not being too forward Linda...but that red dress looks great on you ....

  Oh Pistol. Flattery will get you everywhere. 

[ToneLa]

She reportedly used her real estate experience and connections to help Fenway Sports Group to negotiate new land deals to help expand Anfield. We have her to thank for the increased capacity!

^ some website

[Eeyore]

After last season and the players and staff letting me down so much, I've decided to fully back FSG and become an FSG fan. That's where the real fun lies nowadays, not on the pitch but in the boardrooms and on Excel spreadsheets

Looking forward to their performance this window and hoping for a couple of big announcements on the commercial side of things to go with the new Annie Road stand

I wondered who got Craig's old job.

[tubby]

I wondered who got Craig's old job.

[Avens]

Firstly the fee is dictated by the buyout clause. Secondly, let's see how it works out because for me his role isn't really a role we are that short in. I would say our biggest need is for a couple of midfield monsters. Players with athleticism and defensive qualities. Mac Allister is clearly a talented player but I wouldn't say it is a foregone conclusion that he will be a success. The real positive is that we have got him in early.

Hopefully we can add a couple of dynamic midfield players and a centre back and get our business done early.

So it's their fault if it turns out shite but it's not them who get the credit if it goes well. I think that's a microcosm of the whole discourse about the owners to be honest 

[CraigDS]

I wondered who got Craig's old job.

I believe they had to take on a team of 10 to keep up with your never ending flip flopping.

[ScottScott]

I'll be like the anti-Al. All sunshine and rainbows about our amazing owners, singing songs about how they saved us and led us to winning everything over the last few years

[Eeyore]

So it's their fault if it turns out shite but it's not them who get the credit if it goes well. I think that's a microcosm of the whole discourse about the owners to be honest 

If we continue to stockpile players who predominately play in a similar area because they are easy to sign whilst ignoring more pressing needs then Yes it will be their fault. For me Diaz, Carvalho, Gakpo and Mac Allister if we get him are all very attacking players who can play from the left or centrally. All four players are clearly talented and were all 'value' signings that were easy to do either because of buyouts, the selling club needing money desperately or in the case of Carvalho the ability to go to a tribunal.

All four signings individually make sense but as a collective, we have over recruited in certain areas and failed to recruit in others.

For me, success or failure will depend on whether we address a lack of pace, power and defensive nous in midfield and fail to bring in another centre back. I just hope we don't repeat the mistake of bringing in Gakpo because he was an easy deal to do, whilst ignoring the glaring deficiencies in midfield.   

[ScottScott]

John and the boys running the show know what they're doing and know what we need. They've done the work behind the scenes and picked the players for Jurgen for next season

I find your lack of faith disturbing

[Suareznumber7]

John and the boys running the show know what they're doing and know what we need. They've done the work behind the scenes and picked the players for Jurgen for next season

I find your lack of faith disturbing

I was actually at a Red Sox game recently and saw old John on WyScout doing some scouting.  He's got it all under control. 

[newterp]

I was actually at a Red Sox game recently and saw old John on WyScout doing some scouting.  He's got it all under control. 

are you sure it wasn't "Why Scout?"

[ScottScott]

are you sure it wasn't "Why Scout?"

Pack that in, I won't have a bad thing said about John and his team. We'd be nothing without them

[kezzy]

Hope I'm not being too forward Linda...but that red dress looks great on you ....

Quality.   😂

[Max_powers]

If we continue to stockpile players who predominately play in a similar area because they are easy to sign whilst ignoring more pressing needs then Yes it will be their fault. For me Diaz, Carvalho, Gakpo and Mac Allister if we get him are all very attacking players who can play from the left or centrally. All four players are clearly talented and were all 'value' signings that were easy to do either because of buyouts, the selling club needing money desperately or in the case of Carvalho the ability to go to a tribunal.

All four signings individually make sense but as a collective, we have over recruited in certain areas and failed to recruit in others.

For me, success or failure will depend on whether we address a lack of pace, power and defensive nous in midfield and fail to bring in another centre back. I just hope we don't repeat the mistake of bringing in Gakpo because he was an easy deal to do, whilst ignoring the glaring deficiencies in midfield.

Yeah, but Klopp has a big say in these transfers too. We wouldn't sign a big player without his blessing. I would also argue that MacAllister is not really that attacking of player. He is similar to Thiago in that he excels at dictating the tempo but he is also pretty tenacious.

[Eeyore]

Yeah, but Klopp has a big say in these transfers too. We wouldn't sign a big player without his blessing. I would also argue that MacAllister is not really that attacking of player. He is similar to Thiago in that he excels at dictating the tempo but he is also pretty tenacious.

The thing is we have plenty of players that can play that role. As you say we have Thiago,  plus Jones, Carvalho, Elliott and Gakpo. Where we are lacking is on the defensive and Athletic aspects of the midfield. The bits Fabinho and Hendo provided.

The kind of role Caicedo provides at Brighton. The pace, power and ability to sniff out danger.

[Max_powers]

The thing is we have plenty of players that can play that role. As you say we have Thiago,  plus Jones, Carvalho, Elliott and Gakpo. Where we are lacking is on the defensive and Athletic aspects of the midfield. The bits Fabinho and Hendo provided.

The kind of role Caicedo provides at Brighton. The pace, power and ability to sniff out danger.

I wouldn't be happy if we went into next season relying on Elliott or Carvallho as our #8's. That is why MacCallister makes sense. They are good prospects but not ready yet to build a midfield around.

It looks like we are looking at other players as well.

No point assuming that he will be our only signing.

[LifelongRed, Sussex]

If we continue to stockpile players who predominately play in a similar area because they are easy to sign whilst ignoring more pressing needs then Yes it will be their fault. For me Diaz, Carvalho, Gakpo and Mac Allister if we get him are all very attacking players who can play from the left or centrally. All four players are clearly talented and were all 'value' signings that were easy to do either because of buyouts, the selling club needing money desperately or in the case of Carvalho the ability to go to a tribunal.

All four signings individually make sense but as a collective, we have over recruited in certain areas and failed to recruit in others.

For me, success or failure will depend on whether we address a lack of pace, power and defensive nous in midfield and fail to bring in another centre back. I just hope we don't repeat the mistake of bringing in Gakpo because he was an easy deal to do, whilst ignoring the glaring deficiencies in midfield.

Mac Allister’s totally different to the others.

How do I know this?  I watched him live for three seasons. He’s box to box allrounder with excellent defensive attributes.  Aside from my take, his positional heat maps online are very similar to Wijnaldum’s 2019/20 for example.

[newterp]

Mac Allister’s totally different to the others.

How do I know this?  I watched him live for three seasons. He’s box to box allrounder with excellent defensive attributes.  Aside from my take, his positional heat maps online are very similar to Wijnaldum’s 2019/20 for example.

ooooooo - what do his heat maps look like??

[TAA66]

ooooooo - what do his heat maps look like??

Apparently pretty hot

[LifelongRed, Sussex]

ooooooo - what do his heat maps look like??

https://www.sofascore.com/player/alexis-mac-allister/895324

Wijnaldum’s then click PL 2019/20
https://www.sofascore.com/player/georginio-wijnaldum/22126

[newterp]

https://www.sofascore.com/player/alexis-mac-allister/895324

Wijnaldum’s then click PL 2019/20
https://www.sofascore.com/player/georginio-wijnaldum/22126

Haha you are supposed to post the mac red heat map that he posted 100 times in the transfer thread.

[Suareznumber7]

The thing is we have plenty of players that can play that role. As you say we have Thiago,  plus Jones, Carvalho, Elliott and Gakpo. Where we are lacking is on the defensive and Athletic aspects of the midfield. The bits Fabinho and Hendo provided.

The kind of role Caicedo provides at Brighton. The pace, power and ability to sniff out danger.

Gakpo doesn’t play the same position as those other players so he shouldn’t be mixed in with them.  And, yes, I do realize that a “false 9” plays in the same spaces as a #10 would.  It doesn’t seem like Klopp will be going for the players that you are advocating for.  We haven’t been linked to any defensive minded midfielders have we? 

[Avens]

If we continue to stockpile players who predominately play in a similar area because they are easy to sign whilst ignoring more pressing needs then Yes it will be their fault. For me Diaz, Carvalho, Gakpo and Mac Allister if we get him are all very attacking players who can play from the left or centrally. All four players are clearly talented and were all 'value' signings that were easy to do either because of buyouts, the selling club needing money desperately or in the case of Carvalho the ability to go to a tribunal.

All four signings individually make sense but as a collective, we have over recruited in certain areas and failed to recruit in others.

For me, success or failure will depend on whether we address a lack of pace, power and defensive nous in midfield and fail to bring in another centre back. I just hope we don't repeat the mistake of bringing in Gakpo because he was an easy deal to do, whilst ignoring the glaring deficiencies in midfield.

*all together now* Yes Al, but that wasn't my point. My point was that you'll blame them if it goes wrong but won't credit them if it goes right. That's fine, it's your call, but it's why it is literally impossible to have a sensible discussion with you about their ownership. 

[meady1981]

Have they sold up yet

[LifelongRed, Sussex]

Haha you are supposed to post the mac red heat map that he posted 100 times in the transfer thread.

How funny 

A post at 6:49pm yesterday brought Mac into this FSG discussion, likening his particular attributes to our attacking players such Gakpo and Diaz.