Topic: Anfield Road

[Ben S]

Looks like the houses etc behind the round are no more

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=240309&page=66

[Sarge]

What are the plans for the area Ben?

[Jonathan Hall ☆☆☆☆☆☆]

What are the plans for the area Ben?

A big fuck off stadium, sometime this century...

[Morse]

Don't bet on it...

[irishred1991]

Don't bet on it...

damn right

[Jonathan Hall ☆☆☆☆☆☆]

I did say this century, we have another 91 years and a bit to build it.

[davenorthwales]

since they knocked down the houses and that guesthouse opposite where there is basically sod all now, and it was said over ten years ago they couldn't make the anfield road higher because it would basically be overhanging the road below..

now those buildings have gone, why can't they build a bigger anfield road end and go higher, and bend the road around the new building through the vacant space or near enough so the stand can get up?

dam, they used to have burger stalls and cuppas there.  always got my bovril from the little hut

[alfonso]

since they knocked down the houses and that guesthouse opposite where there is basically sod all now, and it was said over ten years ago they couldn't make the anfield road higher because it would basically be overhanging the road below..

now those buildings have gone, why can't they build a bigger anfield road end and go higher, and bend the road around the new building through the vacant space or near enough so the stand can get up?

dam, they used to have burger stalls and cuppas there.  always got my bovril from the little hut

I've been saying that for years.
They can build a huge stand there.
They could make a stand like Atletico Madrids and run a road under it if need be.

They also have space adjacent to the Cent stand and there is space behind the Main Stand.

[davenorthwales]

can't they bend the road round the stand and create a cheaper option?

it'll have a heck of a gradient for an underground road to re-emerge with arkles lane. i'm visualising in my head about 40 metres from the corner to the start of the stand.  space would be a hindrance but a good idea mind, even though it'll create chaos on the other end as a gradient will have to be created too

i don't know the structure of madrid. i could imagine the road is going underneath the footing, or the stadium footing is built on top of a series of 'culverts' ?

[davenorthwales]

there's a lot of room on the centenary stand side to play with, 25m.  the main stand has about 10m.  2metres if they want to keep the carpark lmoa.

now, that is a thought.. pull back the centenary 20m, drag over the kop and anfield road, pull over the mainstand and there's your new space to work on the new stand without having to knock down the houses behind, leave the shankly gates as they are and the memorial..

i reckon that will work.  relocate the centenary stand in year one, complete rebuild.  20 metres should create 12 rows of seats (some 4000+ seats).  rebuild the kop in year 2 (1994 rebuild took from may to december, partial crowd from august to december) - span it out a little to blend in on edges with new centenary and new main stand (approx 1000 seats), rebuild new stand year 3 (4000 seats), year 4 anfield rd rebuild (2000 seats)  extra 11,000 seats and only moved 20metres 56,000 capacity

but, there's always a but... if the centenary has room for manoueverabilty, it doesn't mean there is room down at the kop end/kemlyn road junction onto breck road...

i don't know if there is already a thread exploring this angle, so apologies if there is

[Jonathan Hall ☆☆☆☆☆☆]

Mmm, hold on a sec, lets drag three stands over. Err how are you planning that one again?

[SMD]

now, that is a thought.. pull back the centenary 20m, drag over the kop and anfield road, pull over the mainstand and there's your new space to work on the new stand without having to knock down the houses behind, leave the shankly gates as they are and the memorial..

And while we're at it, we can clean under the stadium.

[davenorthwales]

I suppose it could be done with new footings. Probably things like sewer have to redone. Just a thought like.. Obvious the pitch will have to move 20m as well eventually. The only 3 options are stay put, stay put and build higher or up sticks.. Its a bit of a pity they didnt make the centenary stand a bit higher in 1991,the idea of moving wasnt in any equation in those days. Even if they did, there still would have been a hiccup with main stand eventually. There's only so much that can be built on top of pre existing structures

[Jonathan Hall ☆☆☆☆☆☆]

How many millions do you think it would take to physically move three stands all built on foundations and plonk 20 metres to the south of where they currently are.

Not really thought it through.

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

there's a lot of room on the centenary stand side to play with, 25m.  the main stand has about 10m.  2metres if they want to keep the carpark lmoa.

now, that is a thought.. pull back the centenary 20m, drag over the kop and anfield road, pull over the mainstand and there's your new space to work on the new stand without having to knock down the houses behind, leave the shankly gates as they are and the memorial..

i reckon that will work.  relocate the centenary stand in year one, complete rebuild.  20 metres should create 12 rows of seats (some 4000+ seats).  rebuild the kop in year 2 (1994 rebuild took from may to december, partial crowd from august to december) - span it out a little to blend in on edges with new centenary and new main stand (approx 1000 seats), rebuild new stand year 3 (4000 seats), year 4 anfield rd rebuild (2000 seats)  extra 11,000 seats and only moved 20metres 56,000 capacity

but, there's always a but... if the centenary has room for manoueverabilty, it doesn't mean there is room down at the kop end/kemlyn road junction onto breck road...

I have posted some bullshit at these boards, but this is ridiculous ...

[Jonathan Hall ☆☆☆☆☆☆]

I have posted some bullshit at these boards, but this is ridiculous ...

If it works i'm getting him to move the blocks of flats i live in 5 mins walk from Pier Head and sticking it right next to the Liver Building. Should slide easily as it is downhill.

[SP]

If it works i'm getting him to move the blocks of flats i live in 5 mins walk from Pier Head and sticking it right next to the Liver Building. Should slide easily as it is downhill.

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

Yup ... That's it ... We just need to find a big enough tractor ...

[alfonso]

From reading these forums there are 3 houses behind the main Stand that are still occupied.

Are the rest of the houses/land owned by the club?
If they are moved out, then the space can be used for a new stand.

Also I am wondering if the pitch could be lowered like Barcelona did about 10 years ago which gained them a few thousand more seats.

Can the cent stand have another tier built upon it with the car park space?

Regarding the Ath.Madrid stand and the road.
Here is a photo:

[Jonathan Hall ☆☆☆☆☆☆]

Slightly bigger road than Anny Rd though, motorway or ring road from memory of being on it in a taxi 8 years ago.

[davenorthwales]

ah right, the road in madrid is a level road directly under the stand, and not an incline.

as for the rest, it'll cost a few million for building a new stadium anyway.....

 - even if it is Bullshit.  it's been said redeveloping anfield whether rebuilding what they have got now or even shifting it a few metres......what other options are there?  yes by all means build a bigger mainstand and stay put. (wasn't it said the roof of the kop is a hindrance for rebuilding the main?)

rebuild the main which will bring in an extra 4k seats. then what? redo the anfield road end with or without a tunnel and bring in another 3k.  52k .... then what? redo centenary then the kop or leave the kop as it is. 54 - 55k
if that can be done, go for it... if not, move over the park.  this debate has been going on for 8 years whether to move or not.. many people have been resigned to moving and accepted it.  many people hope they don't have to move

[davenorthwales]

oh by the way, i wasn't meaning physically drag three stands over lmoa. that would be a job and a half 

the only problem with doing that would mean the pitch will be 25 metres away from the mainstand for 3 to 4 years, the anfied road end would be on a squiff for a year. and the kop.
the whole stadium would be on a squiff for a while, and hardly worth the bother for making an extra 1000 seats on the kop end.  pity they couldn't do the both goal ends at the same time.

so, the only options are
1. rebuild mainstand, anfield road, centenary
2. up sticks
3. stay as it is

[alfonso]

pity they couldn't do the both goal ends at the same time.

so, the only options are
1. rebuild mainstand, anfield road, centenary
2. up sticks
3. stay as it is

They could rebuild the road end. They have space behind to make it huge. I don't see any issue with it being bigger than the kop. The Kop will always be the Kop.

Build another tier onto the Cent. Stand, if the space available allows it. The mancs did it with their ground.

Rebuild the Main Stand if all the land behind is finally owned by the club.

Surely there would be an increase of over 15 thousand seats to over 60k if we did that. Plus exec. boxes could be built into the road end and Main stand.

Most importantly we would still be at one of the most historic stadiums in the world and not some soulless dome.

[mikeb58]

They could rebuild the road end. They have space behind to make it huge. I don't see any issue with it being bigger than the kop. The Kop will always be the Kop.

Build another tier onto the Cent. Stand, if the space available allows it. The mancs did it with their ground.

Rebuild the Main Stand if all the land behind is finally owned by the club.

Surely there would be an increase of over 15 thousand seats to over 60k if we did that. Plus exec. boxes could be built into the road end and Main stand.

Most importantly we would still be at one of the most historic stadiums in the world and not some soulless dome.

Great if could happen.

You're right about the Anny Rd stand, it could be huge now there is nothing but park space behind it.

Plus although they could possibly made it bigger than the kop, it would a two tiered structure so the Kop would remain the largest single tier stand in the ground.

It's been a long time since the club seriously looked at extending Anfield, in that time engineering technology has advanced, plus there is a lot more space on 2 sides of the ground to work with.

The club should really look into this option again, it's got to be a lot cheaper than moving a few hundred yards, plus as you say we get to stay in of the most historic grounds in world football.

[davenorthwales]

jeez, i just realised something which i forgot about.  well, not forgot about, undervisualised  .looks like the centenary stand can't be redone, rebuilt, shitfted or whatever..... nightmare

i doubt if the occupiers of skerries road will be happy. the back of skerries road houses are closer to the stand than i thought after looking at a couple of pics.

and while at it, the kop can't be rebuilt even if there was room on the centenary side, as the kop is at an angle, and would end up in the middle of breck road.. oops ..

going back to the main stand, most of the houses appear to be empty on the side adjacent to the stand. some of the houses on the left hand side are/were boarded up.

if the mainstand was given the go ahead, all the properties on the right hand side would be pulled down, the stand would take over the space in the current carpark, the old carpark would end up where the right hand side  are now.  the residents would have a view that they didn't have before as all they see currently is the frontage of the houses to be replaced with a new frontage of the stand and a set of railings





 

[Tes]

Great if could happen.

You're right about the Anny Rd stand, it could be huge now there is nothing but park space behind it.

Plus although they could possibly made it bigger than the kop, it would a two tiered structure so the Kop would remain the largest single tier stand in the ground.

It's been a long time since the club seriously looked at extending Anfield, in that time engineering technology has advanced, plus there is a lot more space on 2 sides of the ground to work with.

The club should really look into this option again, it's got to be a lot cheaper than moving a few hundred yards, plus as you say we get to stay in of the most historic grounds in world football.

Sorted. Spades in the ground in what.....say........60 days?

[Red_Mist]

It's been a long time since the club seriously looked at extending Anfield, in that time engineering technology has advanced, plus there is a lot more space on 2 sides of the ground to work with.

The club should really look into this option again, it's got to be a lot cheaper than moving a few hundred yards, plus as you say we get to stay in of the most historic grounds in world football.

Not read through this part of the site for a while (it's all seemed a bit pointless) but the above comment sums up my thoughts at the moment.

If we get new owners, and providing they are not a Hicks Mark II (god forbid), then the new stadium idea is going to be back in the spotlight. To avoid the situation at Valencia, I'd favour a redeveloped Anfield, done in stages, starting with the Anfield Road end. I say this, not just because of emotional ties, but because it might be the only way of increasing capacity and revenue without bankrupting us.

If we've got owners who put the club first, that means first and foremost ensuring that we're on a sound financial footing. Hopefully in time, debts can be cleared and profits used on strengthening the playing side and increasing the stadium capacity/revenue-generating ability. Paying for a new stadium, be it 60K or 70K, puts an immediate strain on that financial stability. The more pragmatic approach would be to increase the size gradually, concentrating on what is affordable.

With that in mind, is there anyone on here who could provide an educated guess as to how many more a) seats and b) boxes a redeveloped Anfield Rd end could potentially provide, now that there's the space to 'think big'?

[LiamG]

Exacly how much land around Anfield is now free?

[LiamG]

Can you highlight which parts on an aerial photo ?

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

"How" it's done is not as important as "why"; otherwise the discussion would get bogged down in technicalities.

The important thing is that new stadium is not good for us and a redeveloped Anfield in better.

Redeveloping Anfield or building a new stadium is very much a technical issue ...

[SMD]

Let's assume for a minute that there are technical difficulties with Anfield (with views , sightlines, columns, corners, overhangs, pitch surround etc etc) and that these have been identified and solved. Let's then say you can extend Anfield to 60,000 with all the hospitality, boxes etc etc for significantly less borrowing or even in stages from cash flow and so create a lot more money for the team (and less for Mark II profiteers). Let's say we could see improvement by 2011 instead of 2014. Let's say we get to stay at Anfield. We keep the Kop, everyone has a great view, the new-look Anfield is bold, impressive and intimidating. Which would you choose - that, or a new stadium that will kill us?

You genuinely think that if it made financial sense to redevelop Anfield, a new stadium would be built just because it was new and shiny?

[belfast-connection]

Redeveloping Anfield or building a new stadium is very much a technical issue ...

that would be an ecumenical matter

[CraigDS]

No. But if a new stadium makes a great return for an investor (in the region of £30m a year) then that would be the reason they would want to build a shiny new stadium, even though there would be very little extra profit in it for the club and development of the team.

Then why were Moores and Parry pushing for the new stadium over the redev of Anfield? As neither of those were looking for the great return personally.

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

Let's assume for a minute that there are technical difficulties with Anfield (with views , sightlines, columns, corners, overhangs, pitch surround etc etc) and that these have been identified and solved. Let's then say you can extend Anfield to 60,000 with all the hospitality, boxes etc etc for significantly less borrowing or even in stages from cash flow and so create a lot more money for the team (and less for Mark II profiteers). Let's say we could see improvement by 2011 instead of 2014. Let's say we get to stay at Anfield. We keep the Kop, everyone has a great view, the new-look Anfield is bold, impressive and intimidating. Which would you choose - that, or a new stadium that will kill us?

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=258704.msg7394826#msg7394826

[SMD]

No. But if a new stadium makes a great return for an investor (in the region of £30m a year) then that would be the reason they would want to build a shiny new stadium, even though there would be very little extra profit in it for the club and development of the team.

So you're saying that the new stadium would generate more money but not for the team? Err.

[SMD]

And you think we can afford to redevelop Anfield without loans? That's without the actual engineering problems involved...

[CraigDS]

And you think we can afford to redevelop Anfield without loans? That's without the actual engineering problems involved...

Exactly.

Is redeveloping Anfield free?

What about the loss in revenue for the multiple seasons we'd have to reduce the capacity to redo the certain parts of the ground?

[xerxes1]

So you're saying that the new stadium would generate more money but not for the team? Err.

TMOI is saying that a redeveloped Anfield might represent a better financial answer than a 60k New Anfield. Which is true.

But because we do not know how much a 60k New Anfield will now cost, nor do we know how it will be built or financed, nor do we know how much a redeveloped existing Anfield would cost or how it will be built or financed neither he, nor anyone else, knows for sure.

The "investor" who builds a stadium could be the Clubs new owners, it could be G&H (Unlikley), it could be built by Independent Investors who then lease, or sell the stadium back to the club, it could be set up by the owner an an independent limited liability stand alone Special Purchase Vehicle, it could be LFC & Everton, and it could be built by an independent company to sell or lease back to LFC & EFC. The financial dynamics of each arrangement are quite different.

[CraigDS]

TMOI is saying that a redeveloped Anfield might represent a better financial answer than a 60k New Anfield. Which is true.

Thats all well and true (and Im not for one minute saying which would be the best idea), but his example he is giving for why it does suggests its purely down to 'an investor wanting a return' but that same argument exists for how we would fund any redevelopment of Anfield.

[xerxes1]

Quote from: xerxes1 on Today at 04:55:21 PM
TMOI is saying that a redeveloped Anfield might represent a better financial answer than a 60k New Anfield. Which is true.

Thats all well and true (and Im not for one minute saying which would be the best idea), but his example he is giving for why it does suggests its purely down to 'an investor wanting a return' but that same argument exists for how we would fund any redevelopment of Anfield.

I agree. His example is meaningless, uncosted comparisons with unknown owner/investment.