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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #120 on: March 2, 2011, 02:39:47 pm »
Question

If the club said to everyone on the list today, here is a season ticket for next season, £700 please

How many do you think would actually buy one?

I reckon about 5000
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #121 on: March 2, 2011, 02:39:55 pm »
I asked a mate there who goes to about 5 games (in all comps) a year would he take a ST if offered one, he said he registered back in 2003 but never got any confirmation from the club.

Anyway he said Yeh he would defo take one, he could go to a few more games than usual but for the ones he couldn't make he would hand it out to mates etc etc.

I don't want someone like him getting one, because he doesn't deserve one if he isn't going to go to at least 15/16 of the 19 home league games.

There will be loads like him.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #122 on: March 2, 2011, 02:42:21 pm »
That's a good idea. You should have to give 1 or 2 people's names as reserve and there should be a limit on how many times a season you can do it. After say 4 the next time you can't go it has to be put into the open exchange.

Only thing is how do you police it? Photocards?

You have to have a photocard to buy a ticket - when you officially buy someone's season ticket for the one-off match your photocard gets updated with that info.
You go along, swipe as normal, if the steward stops you the picture matches and their card reader says where you're allowed to sit.
Dead easy.
The technology is there to support it, the problem is people see their season ticket as theirs until it's prized out of their dead fingers.  They think that because it's so hard to get one and it's so hard to get into Anfield.  This requires a culture change, and it needs to be easier for people who want to go to get a ticket.  it's the tail wagging the dog and I can see why the club would shirk from it, but they're building a new stadium on shifting sands if they don't sort it out.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #123 on: March 2, 2011, 02:42:25 pm »
I asked a mate there who goes to about 5 games (in all comps) a year would he take a ST if offered one, he said he registered back in 2003 but never got any confirmation from the club.

Anyway he said Yeh he would defo take one, he could go to a few more games than usual but for the ones he couldn't make he would hand it out to mates etc etc.

I don't want someone like him getting one, because he doesn't deserve one if he isn't going to go to at least 15/16 of the 19 home league games.

There will be loads like him.

yep they'll sell the ticket more than the face value and probably only go to the big games  :no

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #124 on: March 2, 2011, 02:43:07 pm »
yep they'll sell the ticket more than the face value and probably only go to the big games  :no

He wouldn't sell it more than face value but your right about the big games part though.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #125 on: March 2, 2011, 02:44:02 pm »
He wouldn't sell it more than face value but your right about the big games part though.

sorry i should have been clear others would sell it higher than face value

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #126 on: March 2, 2011, 02:46:11 pm »
sorry i should have been clear others would sell it higher than face value

How out of touch are you?  Selling spares at face value has been nigh on impossible at times this season.  Never mind flogging them over the odds. 
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #127 on: March 2, 2011, 02:47:12 pm »
My dad put me and him on the list in 1996, so hopefully we should be near the top. No idea if he put us down as adult/child though (I was 6 at the time) or if it is still registered on our old address (we moved house in 98). We've both been going to the matches regularly since 96, so have obviously updated our fancard details, but I don't know if this updates the seasie waiting list stuff automatically as well? And if he did put adult/child did my application get updated automatically to an adult or am I now simply put to the bottom? Not getting too confident either way, as chances are they probably haven't got our application anyway.

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #128 on: March 2, 2011, 02:47:21 pm »
People also need to remember that if we do get a larger ground thus allowing more STs to be issued then this will cause a commensurate fall in demand for STs. 
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #129 on: March 2, 2011, 02:48:22 pm »
My dad put me and him on the list in 1996, so hopefully we should be near the top. No idea if he put us down as adult/child though (I was 6 at the time) or if it is still registered on our old address (we moved house in 98). We've both been going to the matches regularly since 96, so have obviously updated our fancard details, but I don't know if this updates the seasie waiting list stuff automatically as well? And if he did put adult/child did my application get updated automatically to an adult or am I now simply put to the bottom? Not getting too confident either way, as chances are they probably haven't got our application anyway.

Think you'll be ok on the child bit mate, you will probably need to check the mail at your old address though
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #130 on: March 2, 2011, 02:51:24 pm »
There must be loads of people doubled up on the list. If by some miracle I'm still on it from 1996 at an old address, I'll also be on it from when they added it to my purchase history when I was on the PTS, at my current address. Unless they run all the old ones through the system to check them against newer accounts and delete some, I reckon that'll cut the list number down by quite a bit.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #131 on: March 2, 2011, 02:51:46 pm »
How out of touch are you?  Selling spares at face value has been nigh on impossible at times this season.  Never mind flogging them over the odds. 

I'd guess (and hope!) thats a temporary Hodgson-Purslow-Hicks-Gillett related problem though. If we start next season strongly it'll be back to the good old days of jammed phone lines and broken online tickets.

This must be to look into demand for the new ground I'd guess. The big question for me is whether that £5 is a one off or an annual fee. Can't see people at the back of the queue paying £5 a year when they're gonna be in the old folks home before they see a season ticket

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« Reply #132 on: March 2, 2011, 02:54:56 pm »
How out of touch are you?  Selling spares at face value has been nigh on impossible at times this season.  Never mind flogging them over the odds.

thats because were not doing too well say for next season  we have a good start then you will see people selling higher than face value!

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« Reply #133 on: March 2, 2011, 02:55:13 pm »
Think you'll be ok on the child bit mate, you will probably need to check the mail at your old address though

Yeah I think that'll have to be the case, thanks. Just re-read it and they are releasing answers to FAQ's next week, so I'll wait until then to try to fully understand the process.

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #134 on: March 2, 2011, 02:55:32 pm »
The club needs to sort out this mess in order to move forward, but being a cynic - could also be a way to check the actual demand - cue - increased pricing/more differentiation..

It seems like redevelopment of the stadium is the most likely way forward, and they have to squeeze out more money of each seat..
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #135 on: March 2, 2011, 02:58:24 pm »
You can only police it if people swallow the fact they can't pass it on to who-ever they want.
So if your scenario you wouldn't be able to pass it on to your lad. 
I think if you can't go you should be able to register that - either on the phone or on the net - and the club then get to sell your ticket, refund you the day-ticket price minus a booking fee.
Maybe - thinking off the top of my head - you could specify a first refusal option, where your son would have to pay a booking fee but would have automatic first choice at your ticket.

Your second scenario is the thing that makes me sick - it's not the only story I've heard like it.  You just shouldn't be able to rent your ticket out year after year like that - the ticket should be put back into the pot and someone else (whose probably renting one out right now) should get to have it.

The reason why we've got it is desperation.  People are so desperate for a ticket they're willing to go along with peoplee renting them their ticket year on year. 
Fundamentally, it's not right.
Absolutely. 

Its a difficult one to make fair for all parties.  The 2 scenarios were different, one's a last minute can't make it can my lad use it scenario;  the other preventing people from renting them out and in some cases just cherry picking or making a profit on games.

The photo card would help, but the expense and logistics would probably prevent the club from doing it when there is perhaps little benefit to them. 

Someone mentioned the 90 year old season ticket holders thing, the clubs will be aware of the makeup of their registered customer base.  They will (I assume Liverpool do as other clubs certainly do) run their customer base against several databases included a deceased list.  So they'll be fully aware which season tickets, in theory, should not be still in use!  Realistically they have no problem with tickets being transferred to other people.

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #136 on: March 2, 2011, 02:58:59 pm »
I think this is a great idea and definitely a step in the right direction. I would be happier if the £5 admin fee was a lot higher though as people will stay on even if they aren't sure they will take a ticket up if they were offered one. A charge of say £50 would deter this, £5 could still be called an admin fee with the remainder deducted from your season ticket when you eventually get one.

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #137 on: March 2, 2011, 03:01:27 pm »
ItS certainly a good indication of "something" going to happen in the future regarding increased capacity, and all the benefits associated with this. More positive action than Spade in the Ground talk.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #138 on: March 2, 2011, 03:03:48 pm »
I think this is a great idea and definitely a step in the right direction. I would be happier if the £5 admin fee was a lot higher though as people will stay on even if they aren't sure they will take a ticket up if they were offered one. A charge of say £50 would deter this, £5 could still be called an admin fee with the remainder deducted from your season ticket when you eventually get one.

Don't think for a second that there may not be a second wave of payments to be made.

Once they establish the list and a capacity increase strategy they'll then say if you want to stay on the list and secure your ST for the new stadium/refurbished stadium, pay £50 and it'll come off your first season's cost.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #139 on: March 2, 2011, 03:07:23 pm »
They want £5 to place people on a waiting list who'll never see a ticket? They can fuck off. I wonder if that's even legal.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #140 on: March 2, 2011, 03:08:36 pm »
This must be to look into demand for the new ground I'd guess. The big question for me is whether that £5 is a one off or an annual fee. Can't see people at the back of the queue paying £5 a year when they're gonna be in the old folks home before they see a season ticket

A fair point. And not something I would be happy about paying, and many wont either. But it further, reduces the list, and means the people who want one, will pay it.

Looking at a few other clubs where ST demand is high: (A good article here from October 2010 - http://www.footballtransfertavern.com/2010/10/premiership/season-ticket-sales-at-your-club-we-have-the-figures )

- Spurs - http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/onehotspur/lilywhite_bronze.html -  pay £38
- Arsenal - http://www.arsenal.com/membership/need-help-/-contact-us/season-ticket-waiting-list - £15 to join the list. Re-deemable when you get the ticket (good idea)
- Chelsea - Can't find info on their site.

But those three clubs, like us, have a high demand. The London factor for the other 3 obviously adds to demand for tickets from fans, businesses, or whatever.

We are very different. We aren't in London, for a start. We have a huge demand for Season Tickets, and our stadium can't cope with the demand. So the only way to find out the serious ones, from the people on it "for the sake" is to add a minimal fee. Also, as a few people have mentioned, I reckon they will make a membership a pre-req for staying on the list. Again, not ideal, but it will mean people who go the games on a regular basis, in most cases, will have a membership (unless they buy on someone elses members card / uses someone elses ST). If they don't have their own membership, and don't go the games, do they "deserve" a ST?

If they use someone elses ST to attend games, then they should change the registration with the TO. Simple as really. I think all it takes is proof of identity, and a simple letter, and the TO will happily change the registration for you.

It makes sense in my eyes to a fairer system, with people who attend games on a regular basis, and want a ST, can get one. Those who are on the list to get one, and then start going (not bothering before hand), or worse, getting one and selling it on, simply don't deserve one.

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #141 on: March 2, 2011, 03:15:47 pm »
They could just sell ST off like matches, based on your attendance the season before. So if you had a ST last season, and been to all matches, you'd be among the first to get one. But if you'd been to all matches as a member, you'd have the same chance.
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« Reply #142 on: March 2, 2011, 03:16:08 pm »
This is excellent news because in the foreseeable future it will resolve the mire that is the Season Ticket Waiting List of the last 15 years.  It will also give them invaluable information as they plan what to do about the stadium, Anfield or New Stadium.  For example if only 5000 joined this scheme and they did a further mailing getting a total of say 15000, they will know that a 50 to 60000 capacity stadium will more than cover all of our requirements, whereas if 10000 plus sign up in the first phase, it will be a good sign that potentially they need a 70000 plus stadium.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #143 on: March 2, 2011, 03:17:40 pm »
Glad they are tackling the situation.  I applied about 5 years back so won't be on the "initial" set of letters that go out.  Am guessing they'll do the first 25,000, then the next and so on.

I can imagine with the fee the list will drop to around 10,000 - 20,000. £5 isn't that much really and am sure a fair few will still pay it, myself included.

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« Reply #144 on: March 2, 2011, 03:18:20 pm »
This is excellent news because in the foreseeable future it will resolve the mire that is the Season Ticket Waiting List of the last 15 years.  It will also give them invaluable information as they plan what to do about the stadium, Anfield or New Stadium.  For example if only 5000 joined this scheme and they did a further mailing getting a total of say 15000, they will know that a 50 to 60000 capacity stadium will more than cover all of our requirements, whereas if 10000 plus sign up in the first phase, it will be a good sign that potentially they need a 70000 plus stadium.
Most of those wanting a ST will be going to matches regularly already. They won't need extra seats.
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« Reply #145 on: March 2, 2011, 03:19:26 pm »
Most of those wanting a ST will be going to matches regularly already. They won't need extra seats.

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« Reply #146 on: March 2, 2011, 03:22:37 pm »
If you were inventing football from scratch, would you still come up with the idea of 'the season ticket'?

I really wonder if the current model still fits the best interests of either the fans OR the club. The issues already raised in this thread illustrate some of the shortcomings.

I'd seriously consider binning the whole concept of season tickets, and doing something a bit different.


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« Reply #147 on: March 2, 2011, 03:29:08 pm »
I should be on the adult & child list so will just have to wait. Applied in 2000 but can't remember getting an acknowledgement from them. Changed address in 2001 and wrote to inform them and they did acknowledge that.

Not really much point them reorganising the list unless they are going to do something about increasing the turnover of ST's.

We go to almost all home games anyway so it wouldn't make an awful lot of difference to us apart from not having the hassle of buying the tickets for each individual game. Have had some pretty good specs this year so if we got offered ST's in a crap spec I'd have to think about it.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #148 on: March 2, 2011, 03:31:41 pm »
Question

If the club said to everyone on the list today, here is a season ticket for next season, £700 please

How many do you think would actually buy one?

I reckon about 5000

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« Reply #149 on: March 2, 2011, 03:45:39 pm »
It's agiven that the season ticket waiting list has steadily got unweildy and out of control, over the last ten years or so.

From 1996 to the early 2000s, it was probably quite well organised.

Any one who had a response had something like:  Book 2, Page 8. etc.

Post 2001 and the treble, and even moreso, post 2005 and Istanbul, the sheer amount of bandwagon jumpers went through the roof.

I really havent a problem with band waggon jumpers, just so long as they are serious long term fans, who still go the game now.
The ones who have fucked up the (70,000) list is the flash in the pan, "put your name on a list, then lose interest within 18 months," kind of fan.


It has to be said, that Liverpool themselves havent helped themselves in that time.  Different regimes, different TO operating systems, and rules, has just added to more and more chaos within the TO.


As an example. If you bought an LFC shirt or other merchandise from the club shop, from about 2000 to about 2005, the swing tab/label had a detachable part that you could give back to the club with a couple of tick box questions on it, for feedback.  One of these tick boxes was' do you want to join the season ticket waiting list'.

The sheer amount of jonny foreigners (no I'm not just blaming the ooters), that must of ticked that box, without any intention of ever wanting or expecting a seasie if one was offered, would be enormous.


In short. This regime has decided that enough is enough. We need to know how many potential cestomers we can expect through the turnstyle on a regular basis, if the seats were available.  This is certainly doing that.

If say there is an uptakje of say 50% of the first 25,000. Any remaining seasies will then be offered to the next batch of say 10,000, and so on and so forth, untill all available seasies have been exhausted.

The admin fee is a great idea, because it weeds out the serious  "I want one", brigade, from the "I just ticked the box, for the sake of it", timewasters.
As has been said, though. I think that the £5 admin fee is still probably too low. £10 would of made more sense, but then the club would of been accused of profiting from their fans, and taking advantage, so the £5 fee is the minimum set.

At least this set of owners, are doing things in the right way, with actions, and not hollow words.



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« Reply #150 on: March 2, 2011, 03:45:41 pm »
Most of those wanting a ST will be going to matches regularly already. They won't need extra seats.

I admit i thought that too and tend to agree with you.  But without this exercise, they simply haven't got aclueof what the demand is, it's all guesswork. It makes you wonder how anyone could consider building a new stadium without first assessing what capacity it needs to be as a researched piece of information rather than a finger in the air as has been the case so far.

Imagine for example that your right and that 95% of those on any revised list do already go to the game, then frankly the club only needs to spend it's revamp/new stadium budget on the corporate side, but if it were only 50% then it potentially would justify a much higher capacity for us, the normal fan.

Whatever the outcome this is a good move by the club.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #151 on: March 2, 2011, 03:48:46 pm »
I guess this is designed to find out in due course but, surely if we move to a new stadium the list will be cleared? Can't see more than ~5k being ready to take a season ticket if offered one right now. With the old pts probably only a third of those on the list went regularly, so that's 3k. The rest of the crowd made up by those who go every other/third game or daytrippers. And the climate we're in how many of those will commit to a season ticket.

If we move, realistically anyone who wants one will probably get one?
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« Reply #152 on: March 2, 2011, 03:56:19 pm »
The cynic in me would suggest that this isn't so much the club getting their shit together TO/waiting list wise, this is more like the club getting their shit together to assist NESV in making a decision on the new ground.

I think its a happy bi-product that the waiting lists get sorted.

Didn't Arsenal do something similar to this in the build up to making a decision on the Emirates?

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #153 on: March 2, 2011, 04:03:04 pm »
got to be carefull it isnt over analysed here....its alright coming out with these ingenius ways of using technology to nail it down so its water tight but the more important thing is that 1)the club gets the neccesary revenues to ensure player purchases etc up front,are there.
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2) we as fans dont get our fingers burnt in terms of if you have a ticket for a match  that you cant get to,you must have a facility to move it on or get your money back.
the cost of games is bad enough without the being out of pocket for a game you cant get to!
if photos are brought in,it is going to be a big brother style nightmare.

a bit of flexibility is needed in my opinion.

in the real world,its not that easy to afford to get to all the games let alone the time and logistics that go with it if you have dependents.
 

is the system we already have as broke as some think?...


i know there are bits of it that are a pain in the arse in terms of its effect on atmosphere etc but ultimately the club are trying to gauge demand ,not put in place a system of if youre photo doesnt fit,you cant enter the stadium?...i might have misread some of the above posts and apologise if i have the wrong end of the stick but god  ...not photos
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #154 on: March 2, 2011, 04:13:38 pm »
It's agiven that the season ticket waiting list has steadily got unweildy and out of control, over the last ten years or so.

From 1996 to the early 2000s, it was probably quite well organised.

Any one who had a response had something like:  Book 2, Page 8. etc.


I've never received a response like that. My concern is that I'll be in a position which won't reflect when I applied.

When I enquired to the ticket office in the season before last, they advised NO season tickets had been released for several years.


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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #155 on: March 2, 2011, 04:13:55 pm »
Question

If the club said to everyone on the list today, here is a season ticket for next season, £700 please

How many do you think would actually buy one?

I reckon about 5000
So difficult to judge, so many permutations for so many different people I would imagine. I joined the list in 2000 I think at a time when I barely missed a game, since then I've had 3 kids and stopped going altogether 5 years ago. Yet if the carrot was actually dangled, I'd find it hard to resist after waiting all these years.

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #156 on: March 2, 2011, 04:19:16 pm »
i dont really find it that hard to get tickets to be honest.finals are a different kettle of spuds but thats another topic.
would i buy a season ticket?....although it would be easy to say id love one,in reality no.
As long as i can still get tickets as and when ,that suits me.
sit in a different seat from game to game i actually enjoy more.
Its going to be interesting how all this pans out....my guess is that the take up for season tickets long term isnt going to be as large as i used to think..time will tell
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #157 on: March 2, 2011, 04:25:41 pm »
It is a good point.  It will give them a nice indicator of potential demand.  Fraught with issues though.  How many people on the ST waiting list may already be using someone elses ST to go the games?

Especially given recent club fortunes - we've been through the best of it (not necessarily a period of dominance as in the 70s/80s but consider the mass media effects on communication of our 2005 success) and the worst of it (ownership and their Hodgson legacy) since the beginning of this list - hopefully they'll be able to check the dates on all applications and the correllation to on/off-field events in order to establish a sensible contingency plan.

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #158 on: March 2, 2011, 04:26:45 pm »
The cynic in me would suggest that this isn't so much the club getting their shit together TO/waiting list wise, this is more like the club getting their shit together to assist NESV in making a decision on the new ground.

I think its a happy bi-product that the waiting lists get sorted.

Didn't Arsenal do something similar to this in the build up to making a decision on the Emirates?

Nothing to be cynical about, whichever eventuality it's a step in the right direction and yet another example of NESV's measured approach to things.

I'm in two minds. I shredded my letter saying I was on the list about 3 years ago. I guess I just never imagined I'd get offered a ST. The last two seasons I've always gone up as a member, and always with either my best mate or my girlfriend in tow (also members). With the Membership system it's worked really well. I've got tickets for every game I've applied for, including all the cat A games thus far.

If I get offered an ST, I'll only get one seat, then what? No more sitting together with people I know, I'll have to make new mates?! If they retain the membership process, I'd be inclined to carry on with that regardless of the fact it would grate immensely to pass up on an ST.


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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #159 on: March 2, 2011, 04:39:44 pm »
another thought is that maybe trying to judge how much demand there is out there for season tickets does go some way to trying to work out how many tickets will be sold and therefore how many seats needed,but i think there will be alot more who like me and mushy who dont want one,but will still go the games?...is this season ticket project going to reveal the true picture?
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