Author Topic: 3,2,1 And You're Back in the Room - Olympique Lyonnais - July Wed 31st 18:00 (Read 145994 times)

Andy @ Allerton! · « **Reply #560 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:44:32 pm »

Bradford with a dangerous run down the right but the cross is easily claimed by Atherton

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #561 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:44:35 pm »

This half is a perfect example of why we should temper our appraisal of the young players. Plenty of flaws being exposed today that show youthful inexperience.

El Lobo · « **Reply #562 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:45:08 pm »

Is this still Maddley refereeing? That looked a dog rough decision

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #563 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:45:19 pm »

Jones just casually stroking the ball around. I like it. He's definitely not lacking in confidence in his technique!

Andy @ Allerton! · « **Reply #564 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:45:37 pm »

Quote from: PhaseOfPlay on July 14, 2019, 04:44:35 pm

This half is a perfect example of why we should temper our appraisal of the young players. Plenty of flaws being exposed today that show youthful inexperience.

Yeah but the ones in the first half are a little further ahead than the second half lads I think

Andy @ Allerton! · « **Reply #565 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:46:20 pm »

Millar breaks into the area from the left, Bradford clear it for a corner.

To be taken by Lewis. Poor corner. Liverpool have possession though

Andy @ Allerton! · « **Reply #566 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:47:10 pm »

Must have been a pitch invasion?

Play was stopped.. Didn't show was it was tho

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #567 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:47:25 pm »

What was the game stopped for?

jillcwhomever · « **Reply #568 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:48:04 pm »

Quote from: PhaseOfPlay on July 14, 2019, 04:44:35 pm

This half is a perfect example of why we should temper our appraisal of the young players. Plenty of flaws being exposed today that show youthful inexperience.

Any defender can misjudge a tackle, it's all part of learning the game.

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #569 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:48:09 pm »

Quote from: Andy @ Allerton on July 14, 2019, 04:45:37 pm

Yeah but the ones in the first half are a little further ahead than the second half lads I think

I'd say so, they started at 3 o'clock

Andy @ Allerton! · « **Reply #570 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:48:18 pm »

Woodburn battles well to get the ball in the area, Jones on the left centres it. Some decent play then back to Gomez. Hoever claims it well from a long high cross.

But Liverpool lose possesion and Bradford attack. Easily handled by Liverpool

The game seems to be petering out

87:11 gone

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #571 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:48:31 pm »

Quote from: jillc on July 14, 2019, 04:48:04 pm

Any defender can misjudge a tackle, it's all part of learning the game.

I'm not talking about the tackle.

Hazell · « **Reply #572 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:49:25 pm »

Quote from: fredfrop on July 14, 2019, 03:11:28 pm

That's a pearler

MD1990 · « **Reply #573 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:50:33 pm »

Lewis is not ready as a back up LB

Magz50 · « **Reply #574 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:50:54 pm »

Jones has been great!

newterp · « **Reply #575 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:51:30 pm »

that second ha...zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Andy @ Allerton! · « **Reply #576 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:51:33 pm »

FT 3-1

Nice win. Money raised for Darby-Rimmer foundation and the lads came through it without any injuries.

Job done

Gaz123456 · « **Reply #577 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:52:43 pm »

Second half was hard work!

El Lobo · « **Reply #578 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:52:47 pm »

Quote from: MD1990 on July 14, 2019, 04:50:33 pm

Lewis is not ready as a back up LB

Many a career has been made in 45 minutes of a pre season friendly

Oh wait...

Dim Glas · « **Reply #579 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:53:01 pm »

Ahhhhh Fabinho

Running the show.

Of the two young left backs, Adam Lewis (despite the peno!) seems to 'have it' more. Certainly from an attacking perspective.

jillcwhomever · « **Reply #580 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:53:42 pm »

Quote from: PhaseOfPlay on July 14, 2019, 04:48:31 pm

I'm not talking about the tackle.

Bradford have adjusted more in the second half, also the pitch wasn't watered which hasn't helped. There was enough promising performances. The likes of Jones, Miller and Lewis. It didn't help Ben that most othe attacking was down the left side today.

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #581 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:54:07 pm »

Quote from: MD1990 on July 14, 2019, 04:50:33 pm

Lewis is not ready as a back up LB

Not sure about that. He did okay. Made one mistake, but that happens to experienced senior pros as well.

deFacto please, you bastards · « **Reply #582 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:54:20 pm »

First half better than the second but no surprise given who played and who didn't. Good run out

jillcwhomever · « **Reply #583 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:55:36 pm »

Quote from: MD1990 on July 14, 2019, 04:50:33 pm

Lewis is not ready as a back up LB

And you have decided that on two pre-season friendlies? He would be a very decent back up.

PoetryInMotion · « **Reply #584 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:57:02 pm »

Jones has been our best player in that half. He's got plenty of strengths to his game, control on the ball, passing, making runs, everything is good. Millar was the other one who had some promising moments, apart from that we didn't quite do much here.

Hoever is good on the ball, but maybe he has lessons to be learnt tactically in playing RB for us. Lewis is much more dynamic than Larouci, but seems to be a bit more of risk taker, whereas Larouci is a bit more calm.

But yes. A decent run-out in all.

Mr_Shane · « **Reply #585 on:** July 14, 2019, 05:02:15 pm »

Be positive. The centre back beside whoever plays left-back will be Virgil Van Dijk.

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #586 on:** July 14, 2019, 05:02:53 pm »

Quote from: jillc on July 14, 2019, 04:53:42 pm

Bradford have adjusted more in the second half, also the pitch wasn't watered which hasn't helped. There was enough promising performances. The likes of Jones, Miller and Lewis. It didn't help Ben that most othe attacking was down the left side today.

I agree about the promising performances, Jill mate, so I don't mean this in an argumentative way, but I saw missed passes, badly timed runs, passes left short, safe passes when a better risk was on, passes played behind the runner, and players moving into spaces already occupied by another player. These are things that have to be eliminated from a player's game as much as possible to be an elite first team player.

If anyone wants to know a key factor in being an elite performer, then here is one big element - elimination of basic errors. As the old saying goes - "amateurs practice until they can do it right. Professionals practice until they can't do it wrong".

We have a lot of youth potential, but we have to be careful as supporters not to go overboard with our appraisals and predictions for the future - and thus, our expectations - for these lads. They have some talent, but they have to learn how to harness that talent into consistent ability. If they do, then we'll have a very great core team available for the future to build around. If not, though, then they'll mostly go the way of the majority of academy products, sadly.

Dim Glas · « **Reply #587 on:** July 14, 2019, 05:05:02 pm »

Quote from: PhaseOfPlay on July 14, 2019, 05:02:53 pm

I agree about the promising performances, Jill mate, so I don't mean this in an argumentative way, but I saw missed passes, badly timed runs, passes left short, safe passes when a better risk was on, passes played behind the runner, and players moving into spaces already occupied by another player. These are things that have to be eliminated from a player's game as much as possible to be an elite first team player.

If anyone wants to know a key factor in being an elite performer, then here is one big element - elimination of basic errors. As the old saying goes - "amateurs practice until they can do it right. Professionals practice until they can't do it wrong".

We have a lot of youth potential, but we have to be careful as supporters not to go overboard with our appraisals and predictions for the future - and thus, our expectations - for these lads. They have some talent, but they have to learn how to harness that talent into consistent ability. If they do, then we'll have a very great core team available for the future to build around. If not, though, then they'll mostly go the way of the majority of academy products, sadly.

Not really. Makes no odds. All clubs have fans who do this. It won't change. No point worrying about it! Has sod all impact on who the manager picks. Just leads to a bunch of people on football forums bickering and pretending they know better than the manager and his coaches

Djimi Smicer34 · « **Reply #588 on:** July 14, 2019, 05:07:19 pm »

Think Larouci edged Lewis over the two games, he and Hoever should be on the tour.

Door is still open for Kent and Wilson to impress and be in the squad this season - think Wilson is more likely to be kept if the two. Good to see Curtis Jones looking stronger and more composed in and out of possession.

jillcwhomever · « **Reply #589 on:** July 14, 2019, 05:14:42 pm »

Quote from: PhaseOfPlay on July 14, 2019, 05:02:53 pm

I agree about the promising performances, Jill mate, so I don't mean this in an argumentative way, but I saw missed passes, badly timed runs, passes left short, safe passes when a better risk was on, passes played behind the runner, and players moving into spaces already occupied by another player. These are things that have to be eliminated from a player's game as much as possible to be an elite first team player.

If anyone wants to know a key factor in being an elite performer, then here is one big element - elimination of basic errors. As the old saying goes - "amateurs practice until they can do it right. Professionals practice until they can't do it wrong".

We have a lot of youth potential, but we have to be careful as supporters not to go overboard with our appraisals and predictions for the future - and thus, our expectations - for these lads. They have some talent, but they have to learn how to harness that talent into consistent ability. If they do, then we'll have a very great core team available for the future to build around. If not, though, then they'll mostly go the way of the majority of academy products, sadly.

I don't think anyone is over-hyping anyone to be honest. But I do think Bradford organised themselves a lot better in the second half, so that team had more things to work out then the team who played in the first half. Also Duncan is very inexperienced although he has come off the back of a very good last season, so that has to be tempered. Even Milner mentioned the pitch which was not that good, so it was obvious there was going to be more mis-placed passes on it. You also have to take into account the fact that these teams have only just come back from the break, so it is going to be bitty to start off with. Of course, some of the lads took the wrong choices but that's just their inexperience showing, how do you gain experience if you don't get the chance to play and learn? As far as I'm concerned its all good so far and not the time for definite decisions yet.

jillcwhomever · « **Reply #590 on:** July 14, 2019, 05:18:07 pm »

Quote from: Djimi Smicer34 on July 14, 2019, 05:07:19 pm

Think Larouci edged Lewis over the two games, he and Hoever should be on the tour.

Door is still open for Kent and Wilson to impress and be in the squad this season - think Wilson is more likely to be kept if the two. Good to see Curtis Jones looking stronger and more composed in and out of possession.

I really like Larouci but I think he needs another year at the Academy, I would say Lewis is ahead of him despite his mistake today. Curtis Jones was the standout young player in the second half, the way he kept the ball from the entire Bradford defence at one stage, was the highlight of that half.

deFacto please, you bastards · « **Reply #591 on:** July 14, 2019, 05:25:05 pm »

Don't think there is a chance for Kent here.

Djimi Smicer34 · « **Reply #592 on:** July 14, 2019, 05:25:08 pm »

Quote from: jillc on July 14, 2019, 05:18:07 pm

I really like Larouci but I think he needs another year at the Academy, I would say Lewis is ahead of him despite his mistake today. Curtis Jones was the standout young player in the second half, the way he kept the ball from the entire Bradford defence at one stage, was the highlight of that half.

After watching them both last season, think Larouci is the better prospect - stronger, faster, more physical, more athletic, more incisive.

I like them both a lot, but Larouci has more to his game IMO, and is developing at a faster rate.

Agent99 · « **Reply #593 on:** July 14, 2019, 05:28:50 pm »

Quote from: deFacto on July 14, 2019, 05:25:05 pm

Don't think there is a chance for Kent here.

I get the same feeling about Wilson as well.

El Lobo · « **Reply #594 on:** July 14, 2019, 05:41:51 pm »

Quote from: Agent99 on July 14, 2019, 05:28:50 pm

I get the same feeling about Wilson as well.

There might be but they’re both a few years older than the likes of Brewster, Jones and Hoever and don’t look like they’re at the same level currently

afc tukrish · « **Reply #595 on:** July 14, 2019, 05:52:14 pm »

Quote from: RobbieRedman on July 14, 2019, 03:55:45 pm

3-0 https://streamable.com/32q6m

2-0 https://streamable.com/a17j5

1-0 https://streamable.com/57kmt

Was looking for the goals, thanks for them...

afc tukrish · « **Reply #596 on:** July 14, 2019, 05:54:09 pm »

Milner's goal took a slight deflection, no?

And Wilson looks a bit like a very young, reverse-part Nando...

Rush 82 · « **Reply #597 on:** July 14, 2019, 05:57:52 pm »

Quote from: PhaseOfPlay on July 14, 2019, 04:54:07 pm

Not sure about that. He did okay. Made one mistake, but that happens to experienced senior pros as well.

How would you rate him using the Albie scale - better, same, worse?

deFacto please, you bastards · « **Reply #598 on:** July 14, 2019, 06:01:27 pm »

Klopp:

On showing support for Darby and his foundation…

Very important information, I would say: if you play one game for Liverpool’s first team or 400, it doesn’t matter – you are one of us. That’s what the club showed today and [Bradford] showed it as well. It was a really nice opportunity for us to show the support for Stephen and his family.

On the game and Liverpool’s performance…

For the first 30 minutes I would say we were very confident, we did the right things in the right moments. Then we lost rhythm and didn’t get it back, to be honest. It looked a bit more rusty, but that’s how it is in pre-season very often, taking the wrong decisions and all that stuff. But it was still a wonderful third for Rhian’s goal, really nice. The goals were really, really good. Second half, we never really could get the rhythm so it was a bit boring to be honest. If you are not creative on a specific day, you have to use the simple solutions and then you need to be still direct, try to come behind the last line. But it’s normal, we have to feel things like this, you have to do things like this and then the manager has to criticise you and then you make the next step and everything is good again.

On the opportunity for young players during pre-season…

The door is always open, but the boys have to go through by themselves. It is always like this in each pre-season.

On whether Liverpool will look to bring in another left-back after the departure of Alberto Moreno…

We will see. What can I say? I said already, we have to think about everything and in the end maybe we do nothing, but we will see. Of course, as you can imagine, we will have a look at all the things around us. Of course we have lost a left-back and today you saw two pretty young ones, James [Milner] has played it and all that stuff. As I said, we will see.

On the thinking behind Adam Lallana playing in a deeper midfield role so far in pre-season…

Adam is this kind of player, he can play that no problem. He enjoys it obviously a lot! It’s about getting Adam the rhythm, bringing the things he is naturally good in: small spaces, keeping the ball, passing the ball and all that stuff, and then from time to time offering the runs in behind as well – especially together with Millie that’s possible. For us it’s another option to use. He just needs a bit of luck now [in terms of avoiding injury], that’s true. We have to come through [pre-season] without injuries, that would be cool, and we have a couple of ‘new’ players I would say, this season.

On opponents possibly having an added incentive to beat Liverpool this season due to their status as champions of Europe…

To be honest, last year we were second in Europe but everybody wanted to win against us! When we went to Newcastle I thought ‘OK, what are we playing today here for?’, the intensity was like a World Cup. I don’t think it will be more tough [to win], but it will be tough like always. I had to learn that pretty quick: when you are a Liverpool team and you go somewhere, they’re all really on their toes. That was never different, but we will be prepared for that for sure.

Bergersrightwingviews · « **Reply #599 on:** July 14, 2019, 06:09:17 pm »

Quote from: deFacto on July 14, 2019, 05:25:05 pm

Don't think there is a chance for Kent here.

Have to agree with that. He may be able to have a PL career if things pan out perfectly for him, but he just is not good enough to make it here and never will be. Most players aren’t to be fair to him. Needs to move on.