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Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« on: November 14, 2021, 06:10:42 pm »
Liverpool vs Arsenal
Saturday, November 20, 17:30
Anfield, Liverpool


In Sweden, as strange as it may sound, English football is a cultural heritage. On a Saturday afternoon in the 80's when I grew up, my dad would have the TV on and watch the game of that week. The 3 pm kick-off (4 pm for us). He travelled in business quite a lot and he had went to Japan around that time and bought a Nintendo. I was the first kid in the neighbourhood to have a video game and all the other boys would come over and we'd sit on the wall-to-wall carpet and watch in awe that you could move things on the screen. The first game was Soccer and we loved it.

My dad never played though. He would watch the telly and I would watch and the broadcast would have pop-ups when there was a goal scored in the other games. You bet on 13 games in total - Stryktipset - and if you'd get all 13 matches correct it'd be half a fortune. I don't remember much of it but I distinctively remember that he one time had to go away for a minute and he asked me to remember the score if something came up. I was so nervous that I would mess it up, unaware that it'd be in the paper the next day, or read by the host after the match. I did mess it up, there were too many numbers to keep track of, but my dad said it was all right. He didn't mind. We'd have beans on toast and watch the Saturday game. That was England. For me and many other Swedish lads it was an institution.


 
I don't remember Liverpool. I don't remember Arsenal. Maybe I do remember that the pitch was always half mud. However, I do remember many years later that magical 25 minutes at Anfield in 2014 when we were winning 4-0 going on 8. The absolutely exhilarating feeling that we were like a space rocket taking off and nothing could stop us. Or that win away, just at the start of the 16/17 season, when Mané appears to defy gravity and score a wonder-goal eventually leading to a narrow but emphatic win. We always seem to have exciting games against Arsenal. Always a thrill. Always drama.

Liverpool this season have been doing quite well overall.



Looking back, ever since Klopp came in - emphasized by Virgil and Alisson joining - we seem to have improved continuously. Apart from the middle of last season (when the weight of all the injuries eventually led to a depression which we came out of with renewed vigour and strength testament by an injury time goalkeeper header) we seem to have made one good decision after the other, not the least in the recruitment department. We don't sign a 100 million player to sit on the bench since a former superstar gets mopey if he doesn't start. We don't sign players that may have a bad attitude, or frankly, is not good people. We get team players with the revered ethos of professionalism, who could slot in and join a captain who visits NHS staff who wants to thank him but is direct in explaining that he is not there for them to thank him - he is there to thank them.

Of course, even in the Liverpool that Klopp has rebuilt, it's not always rosy. Last week our captain started it off in brilliant manner but we still ended up with our first loss of the season. The international break didn't help our eager determination to put things right. However, Saturday is getting closer and with it our chance to prove that the result against West Ham was just a blip, much like the other blips during this golden age of Liverpool under Klopp.

Arsenal on the other hand, started the league season with three straight losses. There were mumbles of Arteta not sitting comfortably in his manager chair. Since then they have racked up six wins, two draws, and not a single loss. They currently sit fifth in the table, only two points below us. Arsenal are definitely no mugs, but disregarding their recent form do they look a bit weak in depth? Smith Rowe has proved to be an excellent young player, and Auba (as Klopp refers to him) has finally scored a few goals, but other than those two, no other player has scored more than one goal. Their attacking department - Pépé who cost them 79 million, Martinelli, and Lacazette who they paid 47 million for - currently have one single goal between them. The results don't lie though, Arteta, by all accounts a very tactically sound manager, have them in fifth with a seemingly mediocre squad.

This game at Anfield last season Arsenal took the lead on 24 minutes by Lacazette after a misplaced pass by Robbo. Only two minutes later Liverpool were back on level terms when Mo's shot was parried by Bernd Leno into the path of Mane, who made no mistake from close range. Robbo then made up for his earlier mistake by putting the Reds ahead on 34 minutes, stealing in unmarked at the back post to fire home Trent's deep cross. The points were made safe two minutes from time when substitute Jota marked his Premier League debut with a driven finish from the edge of the area.

I don't remember Anfield in 89. Maybe I was playing a new video game at a mates house instead (incidentally I think I learned about it reading Fever Pitch). Evidently I don't remember many details of being a kid in Sweden in the 80's, but since I today work in game development, eagerly watch football from England, happily eat beans on toast, I surely cherish the memory of pappa today on Father's day in Sweden.

Liverpool in November 2021 is a Liverpool with Alisson, Trent, and Robbo. A Liverpool with a German from the Black Forest. A Liverpool with the Egyptian king, and with a captain eager with a chance to put things right after a far too long internation break (hopefully him travelling home only being precaution). Up the Reds!
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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2021, 07:48:57 pm »
Not quite a must win, but we need to win.

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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2021, 08:10:20 pm »
Must just win

Think this is the type of game you'd want to roll around after a couple of tough results, on paper anyway. Somehow these are only two points behind us but they haven't beaten anyone decent yet and it's still the worst Arsenal side I've ever seen. They were criminal in that game at the Emirates last season where we won 3-0, and that was in the middle of our own terrible run.

Hopefully Henderson/Mane available after reports of injuries, if we can field them and everyone else comes back fit we should have more than enough, think Thiago will come in from the start as well. Fortunately we don't need a result against Porto in the week so we can focus on getting our league form back on track going forward.
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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2021, 05:31:34 pm »
Referee: Michael Oliver.
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Fourth official: Andy Madley.
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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2021, 08:54:41 pm »
Arsenal at home is by far my favourite fixture, can’t remember the last time we didn’t hammer them.

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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2021, 09:44:41 pm »
Arsenal at home is by far my favourite fixture, can’t remember the last time we didn’t hammer them.

Even when we don’t hammer them (or win) they tend to be high scoring draws.

They beat us 2-0 very early in Rodgers’ first season. Since then our home league games against them have been:

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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2021, 09:47:18 pm »
Be interesting to see who is available as potentially three players out (Mane, Hendo and Robbo) on top of other injuries.

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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2021, 09:49:09 pm »
Are we actually going to have any players available

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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2021, 09:50:11 pm »
Let's hope we have 11 decent players to start this game. International football fucking us again.

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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2021, 12:07:54 am »
Plus that mad 5-5!

I was there.

19 goals on the night... :lmao
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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2021, 06:28:28 am »
Great, can do with an easy, high scoring home win

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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2021, 09:23:56 am »
Have we still got 11 fit players to put a team out?
Not as confident playing arsenal as I would’ve been a few weeks ago. Their upturn in form and our injuries seem to have levelled the game up a bit.
Should be a cracking game still tho.

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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2021, 10:43:02 am »
Not quite a must win, but we need to win.

I think City and Chelsea will drop points but not too many. And our AFCON January doesn't look so sweet atm.

So yes, I think we need to win this one.
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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2021, 11:08:06 am »
I know usually we batter these....

But with our recent injuries and Arsenal seemingly growing in confidence this could be different

I dont think it will be however.
imo we will win comfortably with whoever we put out on the pitch and we need to with some recent frustrating results

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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2021, 11:27:59 am »
Think we need a comfortable win and clean sheet. Clean sheet being very important. Honestly got no idea what Arsenal are like as I have not watched them at all this season. Hopefully we do the business.
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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2021, 11:29:02 am »
We're separated from them by 2 points.... but 20 goals (in gd terms) and about a goal and a half per 90 in xg terms ... wild

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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2021, 11:29:46 am »
Think we need a comfortable win and clean sheet.

Yes. This.
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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2021, 11:45:57 am »
With our current known/potential injuries:

Alisson
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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2021, 02:58:48 pm »
Thiago will run this like he did at the Emirates. Him and Fab = wins. Though Fab has to get through tonight first! Would this be only the second time Hendo, Fab and Thiago have played together if it happens?


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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2021, 03:11:07 pm »
Thiago will run this like he did at the Emirates. Him and Fab = wins. Though Fab has to get through tonight first! Would this be only the second time Hendo, Fab and Thiago have played together if it happens?

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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2021, 04:06:40 pm »
have they got any injuries?
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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2021, 04:09:57 pm »
With our current known/potential injuries:

Alisson
Trent
Van Dijk
Konate
Tsimikas
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Thiago
Ox
Salah
Michael Edwards
Jota

Arrrggghhhhhhh - be careful! For a second I thought you were posting a list of injured players!

(The Michael Edwards at striker tipped me off)

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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2021, 04:53:09 pm »
have they got any injuries?

Partey is doubtful I think.

Especially if we lose. Ba dum tshhhhhhhhhhhh

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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2021, 11:17:18 am »
have they got any injuries?

Xhaka out, Partey doubtful, Aubameyang missed Gabon's game vs Egypt so not sure if that was just rest or injury related.

Not sure what team we will play, last game it was like this

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Tierney could come in, Partey could come in. Me personally, I'd line up more 433 like this, although I doubt Arteta will.

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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2021, 11:45:07 am »
Thanks for an enjoyable OP Telekon. I think we generally send a shudder through Arsenal teams when they remember embarrassing amounts of goals going past them. Our current goal difference is more pleasing on the eye than how close behind us they are in the table. This time though, I will take edging it by one goal, based on us having another unique midfield. Would be a great game for Oxlade Chamberlain to rise to the occasion.
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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2021, 11:48:56 am »
They seem to be in a bit of form at the moment which hopefully means they come out and try to play - perfect for us.
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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2021, 02:40:59 pm »

Thanks for the OP. Always good to hear a different perspective especially from another country. Those of us in the UK had to make do with Ceefax on a Saturday afternoon and the painful wait for the page to change.

Absolute must win game. No excuses, no moaning about refs or VAR, no equivocation. This needs to be the start of a run where we pile pressure on the FFP cheats. There isn’t a game that we shouldn’t expect to win until we go to Chelsea in January, although it’s likely we may have to scrap hard to win some of them. We’ve earned the right to rotate in our remaining CL games so we should be able to go full throttle in the league.

I’m quite sure Jurgen has spent the international break working on making us more solid through the middle and I have every confidence Arsenal will get a reality check from us.


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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2021, 02:55:30 pm »
That was a proper good OP, thanks a lot Telekon. My favourite kind: part personal and part informative about something other than the game - in this case the Swedish tradition of watching English football. Did you ever get all 13 scores right and win a half a fortune?
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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2021, 02:56:58 pm »
Partey is doubtful I think.

Especially if we lose. Ba dum tshhhhhhhhhhhh
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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2021, 03:03:02 pm »
Not quite a must win, but we need to win.

if they win, we drop below them to 5th so I'd call it a must win.

and we've had our quota of draws already.

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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2021, 03:16:00 pm »
This fixture's been good for us in recent years,so more of the same please.  :)

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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2021, 07:54:32 pm »
Come on Redmen!!
Thanks Telekon, was at the 2014 match when Skyrtl scored twice. I watched a couple of their recent wins on the box and they look like a young lively squad who do well when it is going their way. Injuries or not we need a strong start and I see a comfortable win for us. If the returnees to training are all back we should be able to go strong in the upcoming league matches and rotate midweek.
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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2021, 08:20:39 pm »
Nice op Telekon.

I remember first having a go on a Nintendo when a Japanese lad moved over when we was 2nd year juniors. super Mario in 8 bit was mind blowing, with joy pads!!!, I was used to an acorn electron. Playing that and watching Robocop and lost boys. Happy times.

Come on reds!! Thiago, ox and Fabinho? Origi maybe? Looking forward to it.
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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2021, 10:42:24 pm »
I saw us beat Arsenal in 87/88, about the 5th game I ever went to and one that featured not one, but two superb goals. The Aldridge tap in, after McMahon had bust a gut to keep the ball in play, and then a classic Beardsley solo goal.

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Thankfully didn’t go the following season but did go in 89/90 when we got an element of revenge and Barnes curled in a beauty of a free kick.

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Saw a good win early ish in the Houllier era as well when Robbie smashed one in and did the baby celebration.



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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2021, 11:53:16 pm »
Thanks Telekon.

As you said we’ve had a lot of high scoring games against them.
We do need to bounce back after being beaten by West Ham.

Normally I’d say we’ll easily beat them but recently our results have been all over the place. We need to grab hold of this game and win.
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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2021, 01:04:10 am »
Thanks for an enjoyable OP Telekon. I think we generally send a shudder through Arsenal teams when they remember embarrassing amounts of goals going past them. Our current goal difference is more pleasing on the eye than how close behind us they are in the table. This time though, I will take edging it by one goal, based on us having another unique midfield. Would be a great game for Oxlade Chamberlain to rise to the occasion.
Thanks for the OP. Always good to hear a different perspective especially from another country. Those of us in the UK had to make do with Ceefax on a Saturday afternoon and the painful wait for the page to change.
That was a proper good OP, thanks a lot Telekon. My favourite kind: part personal and part informative about something other than the game - in this case the Swedish tradition of watching English football. Did you ever get all 13 scores right and win a half a fortune?
Nice op Telekon.

I remember first having a go on a Nintendo when a Japanese lad moved over when we was 2nd year juniors. super Mario in 8 bit was mind blowing, with joy pads!!!, I was used to an acorn electron. Playing that and watching Robocop and lost boys. Happy times.

Come on reds!! Thiago, ox and Fabinho? Origi maybe? Looking forward to it.
Thanks Telekon.

As you said we’ve had a lot of high scoring games against them.
We do need to bounce back after being beaten by West Ham.

Normally I’d say we’ll easily beat them but recently our results have been all over the place. We need to grab hold of this game and win.

Cheers lads! Never got all the 13 games. Not a betting man but I still do it a couple of times a season for the nostalgia. I always seem to get 8 correct.  ;D

A few years ago a mate of mine had 12 games correct with only minutes to go. In the 13th and deciding game Charlie Adam got a penalty for Stoke. If he scores the penalty my mate wins around 50 000 €. Charlie Adam misses. I don't know how he made it through that. At least he didn't know there was a penalty at the time.
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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2021, 02:04:10 am »
Excellent opening post, cheers mate.

Season so far has been pretty good, but at the same time pretty frustrating, as we have dropped a few too many sloppy points. We have to deal with a few injuries but I’m betting that our mental strength will come to the fore in this one, and the boys will put in a very good performance.

Arsenal are starting to play better, but I think we are a good level above them, and will show it on Saturday.

3-1 to the mighty reds. Salah, Jota, and Virg with a header.

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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2021, 03:00:48 am »
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Thanks mate, that's a nice little piece, it's giving me a sense of a very cosy Scandinavian quasi-English day by the telly in Sweden back in the day with the match on and beans on toast for supper  ;D

Come on redmen - big game this  :scarf


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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2021, 09:53:28 am »
anyone else remember the fa cup semi final 3rd replay at highfield road that we lost 1 - 0
1980 I think - absolute shite night

also a 2nd replay of the league cup at villa park 88 I  think which we won 2 - 1
ground was buzzing that night despite being only two thirds full

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Re: Liverpool vs Arsenal - 17:30, Saturday November 20
« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2021, 10:04:24 am »
anyone else remember the fa cup semi final 3rd replay at highfield road that we lost 1 - 0
1980 I think - absolute shite night

also a 2nd replay of the league cup at villa park 88 I  think which we won 2 - 1
ground was buzzing that night despite being only two thirds full

I remember listening to that League Cup one. Did Aldridge scored a header to win it (off his shoulder maybe?!). All that effort to then I think get humped by West Ham in the next round. Imagine having 2 replays in the League Cup these days. Younger fans would have a fit. :D