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No worries :)

If you enjoyed that, you might also like this from Simon Kuper - a Dutch-born English journo - from the Humans & Heroes Podcast.


Who is Liverpool's new manager Arne Slot?

Thanks, Good listen. Even the Chelsea fan was bearable.
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We have a saying in Arabic " He fasts and fasts and then breaks his fast with an onion ". I hope we dont see this happening with the DM position I want us to go for a yubari king melon not an onion. Maybe try for Tchouameni again, if we get it right Mac and TAA will improve even more.
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Liverpool FC Forum / Re: Darwin Núñez (Darwin Gabriel Núñez Ribeiro)
« Last post by Fiasco on Today at 12:46:38 pm »

What you are missing though is that the final pass should also be better from his teammates. We should be putting better crosses into the box. Unfortunately for Nunez his arrival has seen us change the way we attack. Trent now inverts and Robbo doesn't get forward as much. Ironically we used to be guilty of putting in too many crosses. That is something that would have suited Nunez. Look how many times Trent used whip crosses in really early for our forwards. Now we look to walk the ball in or create shooting opportunities for the likes of Trent, Szobo and Macca in central areas.

No doubt we set up differently now but the chances he's missed can't be explained by poor final passes. I'm not having that. He's had many chances put on a plate for him and not scored so I just can't buy that he's hard done to in terms of final balls not being good enough.

We have missed Trent when he's not been available this season, and yes Robertson perhaps isn't what he was but I think we're really going deep to excuse the shortcomings in Nunez' game here and I'm not sure who that benefits really. I don't want him to leave, I just think he absolutely has to turn the corner for good and he's not a guaranteed starter for me, especially so depending on what business we do in the summer up top.

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Liverpool FC Forum / Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Last post by No666 on Today at 12:39:18 pm »
Those of his contemporaries who have won more are loved far less. We will be celebrating him in 50 years time.
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General Football and Sport / Re: The Snooker thread
« Last post by Schmarn on Today at 12:37:12 pm »
I missed Robbo commentating yesterday, how was he? Hoping we get my favourite Dennis-Ken combo for the final.

Still learning the ropes a little and saying what he sees but I'm all for them trying their hand as we'll need a new generation of pundits soon.
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Liverpool FC Forum / Re: New Kit thread
« Last post by Hestoic on Today at 12:36:33 pm »
£80 :lmao
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Media and Arts / Re: The Metal thread. Show your horns!
« Last post by dimwit on Today at 12:36:08 pm »
For some reason I got reminiscing, remembering what it was that got me into metal in the first place.

This is as far as I can tell the first album that got me into the genre,

Dio - Dream Evil

I've been 9 at the time.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/zlxxzUKjIfQ" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/zlxxzUKjIfQ</a>

This propably was the first song, Run to the hills by Iron Maiden

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/86URGgqONvA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/86URGgqONvA</a>

Bless my late brother for introducing any of this for me.
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Thanks mate. That was a good listen.

Although, in what was a mostly positive piece, I was a bit worried about the Ten Hag comparisons. Not so much the bald, Dutch and provincial talk but Kuper seemed to highly rate Ten Hag as a coach as well and went so far as kind of dismissing the current state at Man Utd as being down to not having a proper structure in place behind the scenes and therefore Ten Hag having to make signings on his own. That may very well be case but watching this Man Utd suggest they're anything but well coached, regardless of the players he has at his disposal. Saying that, I don't think the Ten Hag comparisons stack up all that much given Ten Hag's only major stint was at the richest club in Holland whereas Slot has been successful at both AZ and Feyenoord. I know they'll inevitably occur given the bald, Dutch and provincial similarities and it's unfortunate but they don't seem to be comparable otherwise.

Yep agree with you and Zlen above..Hag's failed to implement any brand at Utd. I don't believe he was ever that identifiable style-wise anyway, being more of a pragmatist rather than a trailblazer. He was on shaky ground to begin with inheriting a hodge-podge of players, coached in different ways, but he's had 18 months to instill an identity and failed.

Conversely, Slot's pretty much had his new clubs playing his style from the off - and successfully to boot.
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Liverpool FC Forum / Re: Darwin Núñez (Darwin Gabriel Núñez Ribeiro)
« Last post by Eeyore on Today at 12:33:56 pm »
Just because it happened with Suarez doesn't mean it will happen with Nunez. I don't see the correlation other than.. nationality and hope. There is no basis that because one player had a certain trajectory that another player will have that same trajectory. There is very little behind it other than the parallels of having 2 players who are/were a bit erratic at the same age both from Uruguay hoping to make the step up at Liverpool.

The biggest correlation for me is both players have hit the woodwork a completely abnormal number of times during the periods they were finding it difficult to score. I mean look at the Chelsea game. Since records bean in 2003 there have only been three instances of a player hitting the woodwork. Nunez managed it 4 times in one game. Two of them were pushed onto the woodwork by the keeper. I mean for a player with a 12 from 12 penalty record even hitting the post from the spot was an anomaly.

If you're going to stick to your comparisons why don't you say that once Nunez hits a certain ceiling here, he'll then go on to be one of the best players of his generation. Because that is what Suarez was. Hell, some people think he's our best ever player in terms of sheer talent. Do you think that Nunez is capable of ever being that good?

Who knows whether Nunez will fulfill his potential here. The underlying numbers suggest he has every chance.

As for talent. Ben Foster asked Milner about Nunez. “I did an interview actually with James Milner about six months ago,” began the former England international.

“I said which player in the Liverpool squad do you get most excited by, has got the most raw talent? And he said without a doubt it’s Darwin Nunez. He said ‘it’s just like we’re wating for something to click, but when it clicks, wow, he’s going to be a beast’.”

And as for scoring against certain goalkeepers and defenders I find it mad that the idea of him playing against better players, defenders and goalkeepers most weeks in comparison to what he's been used to hasn't played a part. Yeah, he's scored against Alisson, Neuer etc but you can also argue he's scored a lot in the Europa League against goalkeepers you wouldn't be able to name or recognise in the street. As I said, DCL scored against Alisson last week, does that make him great? Goals in a few games against top goalkeepers is never a bad thing but you have to look at the bigger picture and see who he plays against most weeks. He blasted the ball at Jordan Pickford from 8 yards out last week with most of the goal to aim at. The fact that he scored against Alisson in the CL 2 or 3 years ago doesn't really matter as much to me as opposed to what he's producing now.


League 1 and 2 players have scored against Alisson in the cups. I bet players 70 places below Buffon in Italy scored against him in the odd cup game or friendly. It happens. He hasn't scored against any top goalkeepers this season has he? But because he scored against Neuer 3 years ago that means everything is alright.




What you are missing though is that the final pass should also be better from his teammates. We should be putting better crosses into the box. Unfortunately for Nunez his arrival has seen us change the way we attack. Trent now inverts and Robbo doesn't get forward as much. Ironically we used to be guilty of putting in too many crosses. That is something that would have suited Nunez. Look how many times Trent used whip crosses in really early for our forwards. Now we look to walk the ball in or create shooting opportunities for the likes of Trent, Szobo and Macca in central areas.
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Your original post fails on the eye test. For the vast majority of the season we’ve looked much better with Núñez in the team. It fails on the stats test too. The post I’ve quoted fails to recognise how big a problem our defence has been to our hopes of getting 90+ points. Game state is a huge deal and when we were hitting high 90 points totals we were the master of it. But now we’re going behind in game after game after game. It’s just not sustainable. Nor is conceding multiple goals in tricky away fixtures and expecting to win games. In short out attack simply wasn’t the problem.

This is part of the stuff we can't measure. If Nunez and co stopped turning the ball over so much, would our defence be better? We have empirical evidence that Alisson, Trent, VVD, Gomez, Robertson can be an elite defence.

Obviously there's other issues there like the midfielders and injuries. But this is essentially what I'm saying - we need to judge the team has a whole sum. Not just individual xG. We know our defence and goalkeeper can be part of an elite defence.

There is no stat we can use to measure this. But if our forwards never ever turned the ball over, you can imagine we'd be better defensively, because the opposition would have less opportunity to break on us. So we can work backwards from that impossible scenario and have a discussion around the team issues. So back to the opportunity cost point, does Nunez gain us or lose us versus someone like Firmino? Individually Nunez wins that battle. But the team might be stronger without him. For the record I don't think we have this theoretical player on our books, so it's impossible for us to judge this with stats. We're comparing the actual, versus a theory.

I fall on the side of the theory here. I think we could be a better team without Nunez, even if the replacement is an individually worse player. I could be wrong, but it doesn't mean it's "stupid shit".
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