Topic: Football commentator/pundits

[reddebs]

Jesus fuckin Christ....Lucy Ward......the relentless verbal diarrhoea of Darren Fletcher....combined with the Harry Enfield 'Only Me' cuntishness of Andy Hinchcliffe. .and the state the blindingly obvious boring bollocks of Jermaine Jenas....it's quite the combination...

Hahahaha 👍

[jillcwhomever]

So very little different to the countless male pundits then? They are mostly all the same.

[JC the Messiah]

What's up with Lucy Ward? Talks a lot of sense, unbiased, and entertaining.

[afc tukrish]

What's up with Lucy Ward? Talks a lot of sense, unbiased, and entertaining.

She drives an Audi, most probably...

[RedSince86]

I don't get the bashing of females in Football punditry or commentary, they've played the game at the highest level and will know more about that game than the average Football fan.

Joey Barton can fuck off as well.

[iamnant]

Jesus fuckin Christ....Lucy Ward......the relentless verbal diarrhoea of Darren Fletcher....combined with the Harry Enfield 'Only Me' cuntishness of Andy Hinchcliffe. .and the state the blindingly obvious boring bollocks of Jermaine Jenas....it's quite the combination...

She's utterly fucking awful.

Her and whoever was on co-comms for the Fulham game are making a great case for "no commentary" options to be compulsory on every game.

[iamnant]

So very little different to the countless male pundits then? They are mostly all the same.

True, the vast majority of pundits and co-commenators are awful, no matter if they're male or female. Doesn't mean you can't criticise them, just cause they're female though.

[rob1966]

So very little different to the countless male pundits then? They are mostly all the same.

They're all shite and should all be fucked off, but she's the worst, never fucking shuts up, talks over the main comm and just talks utter utter shite all the time

[jillcwhomever]

True, the vast majority of pundits and co-commenators are awful, no matter if they're male or female. Doesn't mean you can't criticise them, just cause they're female though.

She seems to get special treatment though, I mean the likes of McCoist is shocking as well he never shuts up for a second. It's the way pundits are they think they have to rabbit on every minute of the game.

[rob1966]

She seems to get special treatment though, I mean the likes of McCoist is shocking as well he never shuts up for a second. It's the way pundits are they think they have to rabbit on every minute of the game.

Its not misogyny though, as every woman I know who watches football hates her too. reddebs said earlier she makes other female comms look bad with the inane prattle and debs ended up looking for a stream the other night and turning the game off as she was so bad

I think she gets so much because, like Jenas, she's getting stuffed in everywhere, she's getting a huge amount of games and she's really bad at her job. McCoist goes on too, but at least he knows what he's talking about, she's just a walking cliche

[jillcwhomever]

Its not misogyny though, as every woman I know who watches football hates her too. reddebs said earlier she makes other female comms look bad with the inane prattle and debs ended up looking for a stream the other night and turning the game off as she was so bad

I think she gets so much because, like Jenas, she's getting stuffed in everywhere, she's getting a huge amount of games and she's really bad at her job. McCoist goes on too, but at least he knows what he's talking about, she's just a walking cliche

Yes, but how can anyone tell the difference between her and everyone else though, when they are all so bloody painful to listen too. It's the same most weeks they waffle on about nothing in particular in most commentaries now. But presumably that is what these broadcasters want them to do, otherwise they wouldn't pick them would they? Just turn the sound down and don't listen to them, that's what I do most weeks now.

[rob1966]

Yes, but how can anyone tell the difference between her and everyone else though, when they are all so bloody painful to listen too. It's the same most weeks they waffle on about nothing in particular in most commentaries now. But presumably that is what these broadcasters want them to do, otherwise they wouldn't pick them would they? Just turn the sound down and don't listen to them, that's what I do most weeks now.

Her annoying voice and accent

My youngest said can't you turn the comms off and just have the crowd? I hate to turn the sound off, much rather have at least crowd noise. I'd rather they went back to a commentator and no co-comm, I grew up with Brian Moore, Barry Davies, Motty et al, so I know how a good commentator can be a part of the enjoyment

[JRed]

Her annoying voice and accent

My youngest said can't you turn the comms off and just have the crowd? I hate to turn the sound off, much rather have at least crowd noise. I'd rather they went back to a commentator and no co-comm, I grew up with Brian Moore, Barry Davies, Motty et al, so I know how a good commentator can be a part of the enjoyment

That’s the problem. Because there are two of them, they feel they have to have a conversation for the whole match. It’s fucking tedious.

[RedDeadRejection]

Its not misogyny though, as every woman I know who watches football hates her too. reddebs said earlier she makes other female comms look bad with the inane prattle and debs ended up looking for a stream the other night and turning the game off as she was so bad

I think she gets so much because, like Jenas, she's getting stuffed in everywhere, she's getting a huge amount of games and she's really bad at her job. McCoist goes on too, but at least he knows what he's talking about, she's just a walking cliche

I think it's unconscious misogyny because I doubt people would go in quite as two footed if it was a bloke.  And I think I'm being kind there.

[DelTrotter]

I think it's unconscious misogyny because I doubt people would go in quite as two footed if it was a bloke.  And I think I'm being kind there.

Defo, you never see "Fletch", Robbie Savage, Martin Tyler, Carragher or Neville criticised.

[afc tukrish]

I think it's unconscious misogyny because I doubt people would go in quite as two footed if it was a bloke.  And I think I'm being kind there.

McCoist, two-footed
Jenas, Souness tackle
Richards, Keane v Haaland

Not sure your point is supported based upon comments on these boards...

[rob1966]

I think it's unconscious misogyny because I doubt people would go in quite as two footed if it was a bloke.  And I think I'm being kind there.

Well, my missus, her mates and reddebs on here for 6 all must be misogynysts then, cos they all cannot stand her and want her taken off the telly. My wife has killed the sound when she's on.

I have plenty of time for Kelly Dalglish, Gabbie Yorath for example, as well as Suzi Perry and Natalie Quirk on MotoGP, as they all know what they are talking about, this one just chats shite for 90 minutes

[iamnant]

She seems to get special treatment though, I mean the likes of McCoist is shocking as well he never shuts up for a second. It's the way pundits are they think they have to rabbit on every minute of the game.

She's not criticised more than Jenas, Savage, Gary Neville, Danny Mills, Danny Murphy et al are, not even close.

And McCoist is a terrible shout, he's probably the only co-commentator that adds something to the game!

[jillcwhomever]

She's not criticised more than Jenas, Savage, Gary Neville, Danny Mills, Danny Murphy et al are, not even close.

And McCoist is a terrible shout, he's probably the only co-commentator that adds something to the game!

McCoist is shite at the moment, you can't have listened to him recently. It's not the McCoist of Prime he has been dreadful since he moved to Sky/TNT which is just proof that they are not interested in their pundits adding anything to the game.

[afc tukrish]

McCoist is shite at the moment, you can't have listened to him recently. It's not the McCoist of Prime he has been dreadful since he moved to Sky/TNT which is just proof that they are not interested in their pundits adding anything to the game.

Danny Murphy, on today's broadcast, was given the proper amount of shite for his utter horribility...

[jillcwhomever]

Danny Murphy, on today's broadcast, was given the proper amount of shite for his utter horribility...

Well, they all should be. Let's face it they are all proper shite. 

[The G in Gerrard]

I still like McCoist.

[RedDeadRejection]

McCoist, two-footed
Jenas, Souness tackle
Richards, Keane v Haaland

Not sure your point is supported based upon comments on these boards...

I didn't say it was did I? Was more a comment in general. Plus I've got no time for the performative outrage of the other posts.

[afc tukrish]

I didn't say it was did I? Was more a comment in general. Plus I've got no time for the performative outrage of the other posts.

General punditry does tend to produce copious performative outrage...

[RedDeadRejection]

General punditry does tend to produce copious performative outrage...

Bigger worries in football I think. I'm just glad there is more inclusively in the game because I've only got a daughter so it's down to her to play for liverpool 🤣

[afc tukrish]

Bigger worries in football I think. I'm just glad there is more inclusively in the game because I've only got a daughter so it's down to her to play for liverpool 🤣

I earn my living coaching girls soccer stateside, no argument from way over here...

[RedDeadRejection]

I earn my living coaching girls soccer stateside, no argument from way over here...

Full respect to you.

[In the Name of Klopp]

I still like McCoist.

Me too.

Women punditry/commentary will get better with time. It's still in its infancy.

[Wabaloolah]

Me too.

Women punditry/commentary will get better with time. It's still in its infancy.

not if they keep giving Lucy Ward a gig it won't

[smicer07]

not if they keep giving Lucy Ward a gig it won't

Danny Murphy made Ward sound like prime Barry Davies.

[Wabaloolah]

Danny Murphy made Ward sound like prime Barry Davies.

good point, he was awful too but you take more notice when it's our game.

There are some decent female pundits and some decent male ones but the bar is pretty low I must say

[Gili Gulu]

I still like McCoist.

Me too. He's refreshingly positive and happy to be there.
Works very well with Clive Tyldesley on Amazon.

[jillcwhomever]

Danny Murphy made Ward sound like prime Barry Davies.

He was praising United players when they were shite. 

[Hestoic]

good point, he was awful too but you take more notice when it's our game.

There are some decent female pundits and some decent male ones but the bar is pretty low I must say

They all come across as inauthentic, that's the issue. I think that's why the fan YouTube channels do way better with no agendas to get clicks, no characters that they play up to the camera for and you can see that they're the same people off camera as they are on camera.

[jillcwhomever]

Me too. He's refreshingly positive and happy to be there.

Not when he's on TNT/Sky he isn't. I agree t he McCoist on Prime was okay to listen too because on there they concentrate on the football. But on Sky/TNT they talk about agenda driven nonsense and that includes McCoist. It's pretty obvious its t he way the broadcasters want the punditry to be.

[Crosby Nick]

I still like McCoist.

Are you an ally?

[slotmachine]

I don't get the bashing of females in Football punditry or commentary, they've played the game at the highest level and will know more about that game than the average Football fan.

Joey Barton can fuck off as well.

They have played at the highest level in the women's game not the men's game. Any average amateur sunday league men's team would beat the best women's professional team comfortably. That is not relevant to the argument anyway. It is perfectly normal to criticise or have a negative opinion about a women in commentary or punditry on TV just like we often do with some of the absolute jokers that are men in punditry. We shouldnt assume that any criticism is coming from a place of conscious or sub conscious misogyny or the patriachy etc.

There are plenty of good knowledgable women involved in the men's game and who deserve the opportunity to be on the TV. I think the likes of Emma Hayes, Mel Ready, Kelly Cates, Alex Scott and Laura Woods etc are as good as most if not all men on talking about football or other sports.

I honestly think Emma Hayes could manage in the mens game. I would love to see her get a shot in the men's game some day. I dont know if she has ambitions to crossover but i do know she is really clued up about the men's game and she is shit hot about tactics and has studied the top coaches in the world - Mourinho, Klopp and Pep etc

Joey Barton can fuck right off as well. The sub human anti vax fucking rat.

   

[slotmachine]

I love Harriet Pryor from the Anfield Wrap as well who is now working for sky full time i think. It would be great to see her come through the ranks and one day be either in the commentary box or one of the studio guests on Super Sunday. She is great talking about the game.

[slaphead]

good point, he was awful too but you take more notice when it's our game.

There are some decent female pundits and some decent male ones but the bar is pretty low I must say

I had to rewind and make sure I ddin't mishear when Murphy said Hojlands goal yesterday was a great finish.
It's low and it's getting no better really because it's so driven by the broadcasters and not people speaking their own minds or views. Apart from an odd podcast or show on radio where there are some good European based journalists it's hard to think of some real good informative coverage where you can hear what people really think.

[rob1966]

I had to rewind and make sure I ddin't mishear when Murphy said Hojlands goal yesterday was a great finish.
It's low and it's getting no better really because it's so driven by the broadcasters and not people speaking their own minds or views. Apart from an odd podcast or show on radio where there are some good European based journalists it's hard to think of some real good informative coverage where you can hear what people really think.

Luckily I wasn't really watching the game, so managed to zone out from Murphy, still heard him chatting a lot of absolute shite though.

I watch MotoGP, Gav Emmett the main comm is an enthusiastic fella who knows his stuff, his co Comm is ex British and World Superbike champion who also raced MotoGP, so knows what it takes to ride at the levels he is talking about, so when he says a rider feels this or that, he's talking from experience, main presenters is Suzi Perry, grid reporter and rider interviewer is Natalie Quirk, again enthusiastic and clued up, then Eugene Laverty and Sylvain Guintoli, both racers provide the knowledge They speak facts, don't chat wham and don't try to create agendas. Why can't footy be the same?