Author Topic: Gambling adverts to banned 'whistle-to-whistle' in the UK (Read 8775 times)

gazzalfc · « **Reply #40 on:** December 7, 2018, 12:30:46 pm »

Quote from: [new username under construction] on December 7, 2018, 11:59:04 am

Even on the Anfield Wrap?

Especially Anfield Wrap. One of the main reasons why I don't subscribe.

Dont care if half the money goes to local charities. It's a well known football podcast, easily accessible by those under 18, they dont do enough to push the gambleaware when publicising the sponsor (noticed at least 2 free podcasts that promote it whilst not mentioning gambleaware) and feeding the cycle of gambling in sport.

[new username under construction] · « **Reply #41 on:** December 7, 2018, 12:48:21 pm »

Quote from: gazzalfc on December 7, 2018, 12:30:46 pm

Especially Anfield Wrap. One of the main reasons why I don't subscribe.

Dont care if half the money goes to local charities. It's a well known football podcast, easily accessible by those under 18, they dont do enough to push the gambleaware when publicising the sponsor (noticed at least 2 free podcasts that promote it whilst not mentioning gambleaware) and feeding the cycle of gambling in sport.

No idea what the thumbs up emoji is

Gaz123456 · « **Reply #42 on:** December 9, 2018, 05:47:54 pm »

Good - apart from the obvious reasons, they're usually really annoying as well

Statto Red · « **Reply #43 on:** December 12, 2018, 10:34:31 pm »

The really annoying ones are the SKY Bet promos all over SKY Sports, not so much ads or the sponsorship of EFL, but the way they get promoted like on SKY Sports News, you always get an offbeat story on SSN over a tea lady or something, then they link it to SKY Bet, then when a manager gets sacked they always have latest odds up for who's going to be next manager from SKY Bet, that should not be allowed.

RobinHood · « **Reply #44 on:** December 29, 2018, 02:20:31 pm »

Glad to see at least some action being taken, just look at how much it had exploded in the last 10 years or so. Football League title sponsorship gone from Coca Cola to SkyBet, Scot Prem sponsored by Ladbrokes, 32Red on pretty much every shirt in the Championship.

As someone who bets maybe 3 times a year even I can see how addictive it can be and how easily it can ruin your life if you’re not careful. I don’t want to get all nanny state like we have with the sugar tax but I don’t like seeing how prominent it is when the sport is seen by so many children. Even that FIFA ultimate team mode is essentially gambling for children but that’s another issue.

Lush is the best medicine... · « **Reply #45 on:** December 29, 2018, 02:57:52 pm »

Quote from: gazzalfc on December 7, 2018, 12:30:46 pm

Especially Anfield Wrap. One of the main reasons why I don't subscribe.

Dont care if half the money goes to local charities. It's a well known football podcast, easily accessible by those under 18, they dont do enough to push the gambleaware when publicising the sponsor (noticed at least 2 free podcasts that promote it whilst not mentioning gambleaware) and feeding the cycle of gambling in sport.

pretty sure they regularly say a disclaimer

gazzalfc · « **Reply #46 on:** December 29, 2018, 03:31:38 pm »

Quote from: Lush is the best medicine... on December 29, 2018, 02:57:52 pm

pretty sure they regularly say a disclaimer

They do say it regularly. But like I said there have been at least 2 time since they've sponsored the show that it has not been mentioned, even as a disclaimer.

There are even more times when it's just a tagged on the end without really pushing what gambleaware actually does.

Would like the adverts to go the way of cigarette displays. A tiny brand name in the corner with massive warnings and disclaimers

BarryCrocker · « **Reply #47 on:** January 31, 2021, 03:39:24 am »

It's behind a paywall but The Times are leading with this.

Sport faces end of gambling cash in biggest crisis since tobacco ban

Gambling logos may be banned from sports shirts in the biggest shake-up of advertising in professional sport since tobacco promotion was outlawed.

The move would hit football clubs hardest but also affect snooker, darts, boxing and rugby league. Gambling companies provide Premier League and Championship clubs with about £110m a year in shirt sponsorship alone.

Every player in the Professional Darts Corporation’s top 10 ranking has featured gambling logos on their T-shirts during big tournaments, analysis shows. Many of the top snooker players, including Ronnie O’Sullivan, have the logos of betting sites on their waistcoats.

Massive repercussions for many sports.

Drinks Sangria · « **Reply #48 on:** January 31, 2021, 12:07:13 pm »

That’s good news. I worked in the industry for years as a Fraud Specialist but had time in other departments - the GambleAware and IBAS stuff is all pretence, they bait people and actively encourage high-spend accounts to drop massive money.

They literally had people who’s job was to go to high end casinos, schmooze and offer high rollers big incentives to play online.

Added to that, the ‘aftercare’ given to people with fairly serious problems was basically ‘go and look at GambleAware’s website.’

I left due to a mixture of things, relocation of the department being one, but I’m glad I’m out of that environment, I’d started to feel really dirty about it. I’ve seen some shocking gambling problems go knowingly unchecked by the company under the deniability of ‘well if they didn’t make us aware.., etc’

FlashGordon · « **Reply #49 on:** January 31, 2021, 12:09:42 pm »

Used to work in the industry myself and I'm fond of a bet too, but this is great news. Shouldn't be advertised anywhere in my opinion.

bradders1011 · « **Reply #50 on:** January 31, 2021, 04:19:51 pm »

Good news.

Nothing wrong with a bet, nothing wrong with doing a lot of it if you can handle it, but there's no need to be told to do it. It doesn't matter more if there's money on it.

Ratboy3G · « **Reply #51 on:** January 31, 2021, 04:45:32 pm »

Quote from: FlashGordon on January 31, 2021, 12:09:42 pm

Used to work in the industry myself and I'm fond of a bet too, but this is great news. Shouldn't be advertised anywhere in my opinion.

Same here, I worked for a bookies for a few years and have seen the damage it can do. This should have happened years ago in my opinion

Red-Soldier · « **Reply #52 on:** January 31, 2021, 05:43:53 pm »

Anyone could see that sports betting companies were the new tobacco. They'll just move onto something else that fucks people up I guess.

Flaccido Dongingo · « **Reply #53 on:** January 31, 2021, 05:46:57 pm »

"Teh worldsss favvrit bett'ng campany", if it means I get to hear that less then I'm all for it.

Ratboy3G · « **Reply #54 on:** January 31, 2021, 06:31:47 pm »

Quote from: Flaccido Dongingo on January 31, 2021, 05:46:57 pm

"Teh worldsss favvrit bett'ng campany", if it means I get to hear that less then I'm all for it.

Don't forget, it matters more when there's money on it

rafathegaffa83 · « **Reply #55 on:** January 31, 2021, 06:41:14 pm »

Quote from: Ratboy3G on January 31, 2021, 04:45:32 pm

This should have happened years ago in my opinion

Yep

jacobs chains · « **Reply #56 on:** January 31, 2021, 07:24:12 pm »

As someone who likes a bet, and does alright out of it, I've got to say this should have been done years ago.

Drinks Sangria · « **Reply #57 on:** January 31, 2021, 07:53:57 pm »

Next stop, get real, systemic action to take place that stops people who have recognised they have a gambling problem from being able to access their accounts so easily once their chosen timeframe has elapsed.

Right now it’s as simple as answering ‘no’ to all of a series of contrived scenarios where the staff don’t want yes answers as it creates more work for them.

When a builder from Barnsley is on their betting account betting on Brazilian Women’s Volleyball at 3am having never bet on anything other than the odd footy acca, surely you can see there’s a problem.

J_Kopite · « **Reply #58 on:** January 31, 2021, 09:15:59 pm »

About time.

FiSh77 · « **Reply #59 on:** January 31, 2021, 10:07:16 pm »

Wish they'd ban that "I just want to cheer" c*nt off the telly for good, never mind whistle to whistle

rafathegaffa83 · « **Reply #60 on:** February 3, 2021, 10:15:06 am »

The Athletic have a really good piece on gambling sponsorships in the PL. Not only do most of the clubs have no idea re: the status of the Asian betting firms, most people in the UK betting industry haven't a clue either. The irony is that the UK is being used as a third-party location to advertise to customers in countries where gambling is illegal or heavily restricted

This stood out

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A broker who makes these deals, speaking on condition of anonymity, told The Athletic that clubs in the bottom half of the Premier League “highly rely on the gambling fee. They would be struggling if betting was not allowed for partnerships”.

Yet, despite signing deals worth millions of pounds with top clubs, many of these companies are utterly obscure, even to people who live and breathe this world, and perhaps even to some of the clubs who take their money.

“Even as a gambling industry expert, I often come across brands I have never heard of, and operations where I wouldn’t be able to tell you what their day-to-day business model was,” says Bowden. “The UK is a means to an end, and there is very little overlap between these firms and the mainstream UK gambling industry. They serve entirely different markets with entirely different operating models. The UK-facing versions of the site you see are rarely representative of the ultimate larger business.”

Clubs generally do not take a very detailed look into the finances and business operations of these companies, says branding director Ma, adding: “I don’t think (all clubs) quite understand who the sponsor is and what they are actually doing.”
https://theathletic.com/2361984/2021/02/03/gambling-premier-league-shirt-sponsors-investigation?

oojason · « **Reply #61 on:** June 5, 2021, 02:41:13 am »

'Gambling logos feature 700 times in football match, says Ch4 documentary':-

Ex-Scottish Tory chief says ‘radical rethink’ of industry’s ‘parasitic’ ties with the sport is needed

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/05/gambling-logos-feature-700-times-in-football-match-says-ch4-documentary

'Football’s Gambling Addiction airs on Channel 4 on Monday 7 June at 7.30pm, and then available on All4'

GreatEx · « **Reply #62 on:** June 5, 2021, 03:12:26 am »

We allegedly have whistle-to-whistle bans in Australia too, but they have lengthy segments before and after the game, in the guise of news broadcasts, that present myriad "opportunities" you'd never thought of, and "dead giveaways" that I'm shocked - vshocked! - that the betting company didn't notice, which you'd better get onto before they realise their error.

It's disgusting. I don't know how they get away with it. I mean, I do, but the way they rub our noses in it is hard to take.

BarryCrocker · « **Reply #63 on:** November 3, 2022, 11:42:56 pm »

Not UK related but possibly the start of something good.

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Ladbrokes, Neds owner to quit jersey sponsorships amid gambling ads backlash

The owner of two of the country’s biggest bookmakers will no longer sponsor the jerseys of Australian professional teams amid a growing backlash against gambling advertising in sport.

English wagering giant Entain told The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age that its Ladbrokes and Neds brands would no longer appear on the shirts of sportspeople as part of a bigger reduction in the group’s sponsorship of sport.

"While we have had many great partners in this space over a long period of time, we understand some of the community sentiment around this and feel it is the right time to step away from this area.”

It’s understood the decision is the first part of a considered plan to wind back Entain’s sponsorship of sport in Australia.

Entain has sponsored a range of NRL and AFL teams in the past including the Brisbane Broncos, Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs and the Brisbane Lions and has existing sponsorships with the UFC and A-League.

Neds is the official wagering partner of the A-Leagues and of UFC Australia. It also sponsors the Brisbane Lions despite no longer appearing on the team’s jersey.

Ladbrokes axed its $7.5 million sponsorship of the Brisbane Broncos in July after the Queensland government increased the point of consumption tax to include free and bonus bets and a new 5 per cent racing levy. The company had sponsored the back of the jersey since 2016.

Ladbrokes will continue its extensive partnerships in Australian racing.

An exclusive poll for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age earlier this week revealed 62 per cent of voters would ban gambling companies from sponsoring professional sport.

The survey, conducted for this masthead by Resolve Strategic, revealed that only 25 per cent of respondents believed gambling and betting companies should be allowed to sponsor sport, while 62 per cent prefer a ban and 14 per cent are undecided.

The findings highlighted the growing debate over the money pouring into major sport from sectors fiercely opposed by critics, who say the result “normalises” industries that harm the environment or the community.

The government announced on Monday that online wagering companies will be required to ditch the phrase “gamble responsibly” by March next year in favour of new taglines that prompt gamblers to consider the consequences of losing a bet.

The new taglines include: “Chances are you’re about to lose”; “Think. Is this a bet you really want to place?” ; “What’s gambling really costing you?” and “What are you prepared to lose today? Set a deposit limit”.

Popular online wagering services Bet 365, Sportsbet, Ladbrokes, Neds and Pointsbet are among those required to apply the new taglines.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/ladbrokes-neds-owner-to-quit-jersey-sponsorships-amid-gambling-ads-backlash-20221103-p5bvgl.html

Statto Red · « **Reply #64 on:** November 7, 2022, 11:03:19 am »

Broadcasters should be banned from owning betting firms too [i'm, looking at you sky] how can they equate with owning a betting company, then employing people with gambling issues, Paul Merson being the best known for having gambling issues.

Like i said, how often do you see an offbeat segment on sky sports news, featuring a lower league club stalwart, who's been working behind the scenes at he club for donkeys years, then sky link it to sky bet at the end of the segment, that should be banned too.

Statto Red · « **Reply #65 on:** November 9, 2022, 11:44:40 am »

I see California has voted against legalising sports gambling.

https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/34983440/california-overwhelming-votes-no-sports-betting

capt k · « **Reply #66 on:** November 11, 2022, 10:38:12 pm »

Quote from: BarryCrocker on November 3, 2022, 11:42:56 pm

Not UK related but possibly the start of something good.

Barrycrocker, did you see the Friendly Jordies video of Clubs NSW ? fking disgusting.. and it just shows how much power that these vermin have over pollies and Judges. the Video has been taken down now{pork barrilaro has google taking down anything they complain about now after the settlement of $750k} but heres a SMH take on it https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/i-ve-nothing-to-lose-dying-whistleblower-sued-by-clubsnsw-20220921-p5bjsr.html

CanuckYNWA · « **Reply #67 on:** November 11, 2022, 11:55:14 pm »

Quote from: Hazell on December 6, 2018, 12:43:45 pm

Good start, would be great if they stopped them completely though.

To stop them completely I think they also need to ban gambling companies from sponsoring sports team. So don't see it happening anytime soon

At the end of the day a shirt sponsorship is an advert while the game is being played

Currently there is 8 teams with betting companies as their main shirt sponsor and one with a sleeve sponsorship...JUST in the Premier League alone

WhereAngelsPlay · « **Reply #68 on:** November 12, 2022, 12:16:52 am »

Quote from: CanuckYNWA on November 11, 2022, 11:55:14 pm

To stop them completely I think they also need to ban gambling companies from sponsoring sports team. So don't see it happening anytime soon

At the end of the day a shirt sponsorship is an advert while the game is being played

Currently there is 8 teams with betting companies as their main shirt sponsor and one with a sleeve sponsorship...JUST in the Premier League alone

We did it for fags and they had sponsorships all over the sporting world.

BarryCrocker · « **Reply #69 on:** November 12, 2022, 12:34:08 am »

Quote from: WhereAngelsPlay on November 12, 2022, 12:16:52 am

We did it for fags and they had sponsorships all over the sporting world.

Exactly. And with players starting to have more of a say in how their image is used you'll see this happen a lot sooner than people think.

12C · « **Reply #70 on:** November 12, 2022, 09:53:40 am »

The Aussies are bringing in laws that will see the end of those shit platitudes at the end of adverts, “when the fun stops…” etc.
instead they are introducing a series of truth lines.
“You know you are going to lose…” is my favourite one.
Won’t happen here because the Jockey club, the big bookies and the Tory party (Harding, Hancock, McVey and the rest) are all in it together.
My gran used to warn us “before you go in the bookies, take a look at his car.” Her message was the bookies will always win. Now we could say look at the bookies private jet, or yacht.
My Bro in law likes a flutter now and then. If he hasn’t put a bet on for a few weeks, he gets emails and texts, stating that they haven’t seen him for a while and why not try a free bet.
Imagine if you were trying to give up drinking and someone deliberately gave you a bottle of whisky,

Edit: link
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/02/you-lose-more-australia-to-force-online-gambling-ads-to-include-messages-on-potential-harms

mobydick · « **Reply #71 on:** November 12, 2022, 10:46:41 am »

I used to go school with a lad whose dad was a Bookie. He "only" had three or four local shops. They had a massive fucking house up in the best part of town, while the rest of us lived in terraced, or council houses. Graham was a good lad but it certainly made me think even at that age. I used to have the occasional bet, Grand National, a few horses and such but I never saw the attraction, As you said, only the Bookies win.

oojason · « **Reply #72 on:** December 13, 2022, 01:53:15 pm »

Comes to something when the Gambling Commission is use images of children when discussing 'first time betting' at the World Cup...

'Gambling Commission apologises over child gif in betting tweet':-

The Great Britain Gambling Commission has issued an apology after using a gif featuring a child in a social media post about new users registering for online betting accounts.

https://igamingbusiness.com/legal-compliance/gambling-commission-apologises-over-child-gif-in-betting-tweet

& https://sbcnews.co.uk/sportsbook/2022/12/12/gambling-commission-tweet

^ with the usual 'sorry if you were offended by it' type of non-apology - and not an apology for their own actions in actually fucking it up in the first place.

an image of the now-deleted tweet...

thaddeus · « **Reply #73 on:** December 13, 2022, 02:02:52 pm »

Quote from: oojason on December 13, 2022, 01:53:15 pm

Comes to something when the Gambling Commission is use images of children when discussing 'first time betting' at the World Cup...

'Gambling Commission apologises over child gif in betting tweet':-

The Great Britain Gambling Commission has issued an apology after using a gif featuring a child in a social media post about new users registering for online betting accounts.

https://igamingbusiness.com/legal-compliance/gambling-commission-apologises-over-child-gif-in-betting-tweet

& https://sbcnews.co.uk/sportsbook/2022/12/12/gambling-commission-tweet

^ with the usual 'sorry if you were offended by it' type of non-apology - and not an apology for their own actions in actually fucking it up in the first place.

an image of the now-deleted tweet...

Even without the image it's an odd tweet. It's more like an advert for gambling firms than anything. A bit odd from a government agency, albeit one with the somewhat pathetic remit of "keeping gambling fair and safe for all".

Statto Red · « **Reply #74 on:** December 13, 2022, 03:34:14 pm »

Quote from: CanuckYNWA on November 11, 2022, 11:55:14 pm

To stop them completely I think they also need to ban gambling companies from sponsoring sports team. So don't see it happening anytime soon

At the end of the day a shirt sponsorship is an advert while the game is being played

Currently there is 8 teams with betting companies as their main shirt sponsor and one with a sleeve sponsorship...JUST in the Premier League alone

Not only sports teams, but whole leagues, & tournaments have a betting sponsor too, EFL has sky bet for it's leagues, Rugby League has betfred sponsor for it's leagues, PDC has William Hill sponsoring the PDC world darts championships, oh & betting firms sponsor a few other darts tournaments too.

Walshy nMe® · « **Reply #75 on:** December 13, 2022, 03:40:03 pm »

You got the Betfred World Snooker Championship too.

Barneylfc∗ · « **Reply #76 on:** April 13, 2023, 01:41:58 pm »

This is a bit pathetic. Doesn't take effect for 3 years and clubs can still plaster gambling companies all over the stadium.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65260002

Premier League clubs have collectively agreed to withdraw gambling sponsorship from the front of their matchday shirts by the end of the 2025-26 season.

However, after the deadline, clubs will still be able to continue featuring gambling brands in areas such as shirt sleeves and LED advertising.

And clubs will be allowed to secure new shirt-front deals before the deadline.

Eight top-flight clubs have gambling companies on the front of their shirts, worth an estimated £60m per year.

The announcement follows a consultation between the league, its clubs and the Department for Culture, Media and Sport as part of the government's ongoing review of current gambling legislation.

The decision will see the Premier League become the first sports league in the UK to take such a measure voluntarily in order to reduce gambling advertising.

A gambling white paper is expected to be published by the government after its review of gambling legislation.

The government was not expected to propose banning gambling sponsorship, with the plan being for the Premier League to agree voluntarily to a change.

The plans were largely agreed by former Prime Minister Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson before he stepped down.

In January, Aston Villa's fan consultation group met chief executive Christian Purslow after the club was reported to have signed a deal with Asia-based betting firm BK8. It later issued a statement saying "the commercial reality is that to teams outside the top six, such sponsors offer clubs twice as much financially as non-gambling companies".

The Premier League has previously said "a self-regulatory approach would provide a practical and flexible alternative to legislation or outright prohibition".

The collective agreement to start the ban after 2025-26 has been reached to assist clubs with their transition away from shirt-front gambling sponsorship.

The Premier League's move doesn't take effect until 2026 and some will question that timescale and the fact clubs can sign new front of shirt deals up to that point.

However, the move is to be welcomed because it is adopting a new strategy around a social issue that has started to become increasingly problematic.

As with alcohol, the link between gambling and football will probably always be there. However, as happened with alcohol, it feels increasingly uncomfortable for advertising around gambling to be quite so prominent.

Of course, the Premier League is more able to execute a move like this because its huge TV deals shield the clubs. The English Football League is not in such an advantageous position.

Statto Red · « **Reply #77 on:** April 13, 2023, 02:27:02 pm »

Half of the gaming firms don't operate in the uK, their was a article a couple of months ago how some of these firms were operating particularly in Asian markets, here's the article

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-64662006

Fortneef · « **Reply #78 on:** April 13, 2023, 06:51:10 pm »

Ban all gambling ads.

LovelyCushionedHeader · « **Reply #79 on:** April 14, 2023, 07:29:37 am »

To be fair, I imagine 2026 being the year of enforcement is because that is the date that existing deals run to. Not sure how you could ban them sooner because contracts would then be breached?

But yeah, banning sponsorship on the front of shirts but still allowing shirt sleeve sponsorship etc. is basically just a token gesture.