Topic: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé

[Simplexity]

Well one of the claims was the reason we pulled out of Bellingham deal is because we want to quickly sort out our deals. Lets see if we do that or its all bull shit talk.

I think we pulled out of the Bellingham deal because he wanted to go Madrid. So really we were not pulling out as much as he snubbed us.

[DelTrotter]

I think we pulled out of the Bellingham deal because he wanted to go Madrid. So really we were not pulling out as much as he snubbed us.

Yep, we obviously got wind of his decision so pulled the "concentrating on other things" card.

[killer-heels]

I think we pulled out of the Bellingham deal because he wanted to go Madrid. So really we were not pulling out as much as he snubbed us.

Well that was one reason put up. And if he did snub us, id rather we put that out there than we cant afford him.

[Rosario]

I think we pulled out of the Bellingham deal because he wanted to go Madrid. So really we were not pulling out as much as he snubbed us.

Exactly Bellingham like 99.9% of players including our own went to whoever paid him the most at the time he was looking to move and this time it wasn’t us.

[Knight]

It's pretty wild that people are looking at this season and our midfield's performances and saying, 'yep what we need are 8s and a young project for 6' or even 'we can cope without a 6'. Our midfield has always been built on its legs. If you're adding more technical quality at 8 and asking them to play further forward you need legs even more from your 6. And yet you want to rely on Fabinho who's lost some athleticism and was never the most mobile? As for Klopp being happy... maybe he'll prioritise 8s because we don't have the money for a 6, maybe he's wrong. He was certainly a long way off in his assessment of the midfield at the beginning of this season.

[amir87]

I think we pulled out of the Bellingham deal because he wanted to go Madrid. So really we were not pulling out as much as he snubbed us.

That would certainly be more palatable then sacking off a season not improving the midfield and saving our money only to decide we can’t afford him.

[Knight]

That would certainly be more palatable then sacking off a season not improving the midfield and saving our money only to decide we can’t afford him.

Still not a great look though. Instead it would be, 'sacking off a season not improving the midfield in the expectation that Bellingham would choose us only to realise that we were wrong'. Incompetence either way. Either we badly misjudged his price or we badly misjudged his intentions.

[CraigDS]

When does the window open? I’m itching to have a moan about our lack of transfer activity.

Why wait? Get in there early doors with the moaning. It’s the only way to be.

[Fordy]

When does the window open? I’m itching to have a moan about our lack of transfer activity.

12th of June till 1st of September

[BER]

Pretty hilarious the median age of this thread is probably close to 40.   

[Too early for flapjacks?]

Quotes from Lavia's manager in March. Should we really spend £40mil on 19 year old project midfielder when we already have a top talent here in Bajcetic? He's one of those "25% there" players and we should be putting that £40mil towards someone who is 75% there.

“I will say he’s not impressed me,” said Selles. “He has more football to offer and I expect him to offer more football. He’s not there yet. He needs to step up and move forward.

“Romeo has all the qualities to become a great player, but I don’t think he’s there yet. And this is why he didn’t impress me.

“I have worked with talent and I think to make the next step he needs to show more domination in the games, more domination in possession, more leadership on the pitch if he wants to become the thing that everybody says about him. So he needs to give more for me, more for the team and he needs to show more for himself.

“And it’s nothing that is about him personally, it’s something that the competition is giving to him. So he’s growing through the internal competition and through the competition in the Premier League. So that’s why I say we need to be careful when we talk about kids 17,18 and 19 years old and starting in the Premier League.

“I have no doubt that he will be there but he needs some steps and then everybody around him needs to be calmed down because when you try to make four steps forwards, usually you don’t make the first one.

“So it’s one step at a time. You stay here with us. You perform. You make this team win football matches, you lead this team on the pitch, lead this team in this dressing room. And then when the season finishes and everybody’s in the Premier League, we can think about something else. Because if we don’t make the target together and we start to put individual targets, then we are not going to make it.”

[Zlen]

Hopefully it turns around, but at the moment our proposed targets look pretty underwhelming in a sense that it is both nowhere near enough to fix what needs fixing and also weight of transfers is misplaced in wrong positions in my opinion. I was hoping and expecting we would sign three first team ready mifdfield players, placing the biggest emphasis (and chunk of money) on a physical, dominant destroyer who can also bring it up the pitch. As it stands we're nowhere near this scenario.

[tubby]

Remember when Lavia moved to Southampton in the summer and a few on here were saying it was a FFP scam and more evidence of City's dodgy dealings?  And now he's got loads of top clubs sniffing around him for a much bigger fee.  Southampton knew what they were doing with that transfer.

[PeterTheRed ...]

Similar to what I said a few days ago.

Even if we sign another DM, I don't have a problem with Bajcetic development since we'll have enough matches available for everyone to play.
I don't mind Lavia at all. If we do get him and he's a success, we'll have DM sorted for years with a combo of Bajcetic+Lavia.

That position will be sorted years after Klopp has gone(wish he'd change his mind though)

Yes, being in the Europa League gives us the luxury of using Fabinho in the league, and developing Lavia and Bajcetic in the Europa League, the League Cup and the FA Cup. We could have the position sorted for a decade, without spending a fortune on it ...

[rawcusk8]

Why wait? Get in there early doors with the moaning. It’s the only way to be.

Oh great, I’ll go. It’s pathetic the club pay over the odds for players. Why can’t we unearth talents like Brighton do? Gakpo, Harvey, Carvalho, Kelleher, Jones and the likes don’t count.. Look at the Lavia link, he’s not worth £40m right now but he could possibly be one day but he’s going to block the progress of Baj and some of the U16’s waiting to come through. That’s all I have for now

[killer-heels]

Yes, being in the Europa League gives us the luxury of using Fabinho in the league, and developing Lavia and Bajcetic in the Europa League, the League Cup and the FA Cup. We could have the position sorted for a decade, without spending a fortune on it ...

Nothings ever sorted for a decade.

[amir87]

Still not a great look though. Instead it would be, 'sacking off a season not improving the midfield in the expectation that Bellingham would choose us only to realise that we were wrong'. Incompetence either way. Either we badly misjudged his price or we badly misjudged his intentions.

Oh absolutely. I guess the assumption off the back of almost winning the quad was that we only need a Bellingham calibre player so worth waiting for. Clearly not the right decision, and not necessarily hindsight either as our problems were obvious to see before last Summers transfer window even closed.

[B0151?]

That would certainly be more palatable then sacking off a season not improving the midfield and saving our money only to decide we can’t afford him.

Bellingham or no Bellingham the primary reason we didn't invest last season was we believed the team that did so well the season before was going to be competitive again.

This is a lot bigger than Bellingham or one window. I do believed we knew there was a huge chance Bellingham wouldn't go to us. It's about chronic underinvestment catching up with us, leaving us exposed to elements of bad luck (injuries and Fab's drop off). We thought that we still had enough for one more season before the midfield overhaul and were very wrong.

[killer-heels]

Hopefully it turns around, but at the moment our proposed targets look pretty underwhelming in a sense that it is both nowhere near enough to fix what needs fixing and also weight of transfers is misplaced in wrong positions in my opinion. I was hoping and expecting we would sign three first team ready mifdfield players, placing the biggest emphasis (and chunk of money) on a physical, dominant destroyer who can also bring it up the pitch. As it stands we're nowhere near this scenario.

Its quite clear we are still scouring the market. The idea that we do all these deals in advance is a distant memory. Now its a case of seeing all the players and trying to sort out the best deals for us.

[PeterTheRed ...]

Nothings ever sorted for a decade.

Well, I've sorted my life for the past 30 years (and hopefully for many more, health permitting) when I've met my wife ...

[killer-heels]

Well, I've sorted my life for the past 30 years (and hopefully for many more, health permitting) when I've met my wife ...

In the football context, no position is sorted for a decade. Unless you have Steven Gerrard.

[Zlen]

Its quite clear we are still scouring the market. The idea that we do all these deals in advance is a distant memory. Now its a case of seeing all the players and trying to sort out the best deals for us.

We shall see obviously. We simply must not again enter a season relying too heavily on Fabinho and Henderson. First of all it's not fair to expect this from them, they can't keep up with the tempo any longer and have played their legs off in the recent seasons. Use them fresh, sporadically and in suitable games. Get fresh and fully capable players in to deputise. Time for projects was last three transfer windows - we chose not to act.

[classycarra]

Quotes from Lavia's manager in March. Should we really spend £40mil on 19 year old project midfielder when we already have a top talent here in Bajcetic? He's one of those "25% there" players and we should be putting that £40mil towards someone who is 75% there.

That's Romeo done

[Avens]

Its quite clear we are still scouring the market. The idea that we do all these deals in advance is a distant memory. Now its a case of seeing all the players and trying to sort out the best deals for us.

The angst that people have about transfer rumours is completely out of proportion though. It's one thing to see us linked with a player and say "I hope we don't sign him, I don't rate him" but at the moment it's turning into anger at our recruitment which is absurd, because we sign about 2% of the players we're actually linked with.

You say it's quite clear we're scouring the market. No it isn't. We have such little idea of what is happening behind the scenes. Gakpo wasn't linked until he signed, Nunez was out of nowhere, we clearly are still able to keep a lot of our transfer movements under wraps. So let's at least wait for the season to end shall we?

[Avens]

Hopefully it turns around, but at the moment our proposed targets look pretty underwhelming in a sense that it is both nowhere near enough to fix what needs fixing and also weight of transfers is misplaced in wrong positions in my opinion. I was hoping and expecting we would sign three first team ready mifdfield players, placing the biggest emphasis (and chunk of money) on a physical, dominant destroyer who can also bring it up the pitch. As it stands we're nowhere near this scenario.

Yes I agree. As it stands, on May 26th, the transfer business we've done in the summer transfer window of 2023 has not solved enough of our problems.

[AndyMuller]

The angst that people have about transfer rumours is completely out of proportion though. It's one thing to see us linked with a player and say "I hope we don't sign him, I don't rate him" but at the moment it's turning into anger at our recruitment which is absurd, because we sign about 2% of the players we're actually linked with.

You say it's quite clear we're scouring the market. No it isn't. We have such little idea of what is happening behind the scenes. Gakpo wasn't linked until he signed, Nunez was out of nowhere, we clearly are still able to keep a lot of our transfer movements under wraps. So let's at least wait for the season to end shall we?

Wouldn't say Nunez was out of nowhere, he played well against us and then was linked with us ever since. I think he was one of those buys under the strategy of if they play well against us then lets buy them.

[Fordy]

Quotes from Lavia's manager in March. Should we really spend £40mil on 19 year old project midfielder when we already have a top talent here in Bajcetic? He's one of those "25% there" players and we should be putting that £40mil towards someone who is 75% there.

I would rather spend 20-25m on Alex Scott if we are looking for a project signing.

40m is far too much for Lavia.

[clinical]

Wouldn't say Nunez was out of nowhere, he played well against us and then was linked with us ever since. I think he was one of those buys under the strategy of if they play well against us then lets buy them.

I think Nunez will be a decent player. But that's a terrible strategy.

[tubby]

I would rather spend 20-25m on Alex Scott if we are looking for a project signing.

Yup.  I'd rather see us get an experienced, or at least close to finished article in as a 6.  Alex Scott looks really suited to one of the two roaming 10 positions in our current setup.

[Knight]

The angst that people have about transfer rumours is completely out of proportion though. It's one thing to see us linked with a player and say "I hope we don't sign him, I don't rate him" but at the moment it's turning into anger at our recruitment which is absurd, because we sign about 2% of the players we're actually linked with.

You say it's quite clear we're scouring the market. No it isn't. We have such little idea of what is happening behind the scenes. Gakpo wasn't linked until he signed, Nunez was out of nowhere, we clearly are still able to keep a lot of our transfer movements under wraps. So let's at least wait for the season to end shall we?

If the frustration was just about this window and we were still getting most things right on and off the pitch this would be reasonable but the frustration goes back a lot longer and so the angst is mostly in light of that. We need to withhold judgement about this window certainly but anger at our recruitment, or rather total lack of it in crucial areas, is totally reasonable.

[slaphead]

Wouldn't say Nunez was out of nowhere, he played well against us and then was linked with us ever since. I think he was one of those buys under the strategy of if they play well against us then lets buy them.

Do people genuinely believe that's a thing that actually happens?  Absolute myth that is. No player is unknown these days

[jillcwhomever]

Yup.  I'd rather see us get an experienced, or at least close to finished article in as a 6.  Alex Scott looks really suited to one of the two roaming 10 positions in our current setup.

I'd like us to get Scott as well, but has there been any proper links with him?

[koptommy93]

@MaddockMirror
Klopp admits there could be a delay for new signings, but said it's no problem.

"The better the player you want, the lesser the desire of the club to let him go, so we are prepared for it,- if we have to wait 6-7 weeks (for a signing) it is not a game changer".

Interesting comments, wonder who he's talking about.

[Sheer Magnetism]

Remember when Lavia moved to Southampton in the summer and a few on here were saying it was a FFP scam and more evidence of City's dodgy dealings?  And now he's got loads of top clubs sniffing around him for a much bigger fee.  Southampton knew what they were doing with that transfer.

If they sell him for £40 million that should just about offset what they paid City for him, Bazunu, Larios and Edozie.

[DelTrotter]

@MaddockMirror
Klopp admits there could be a delay for new signings, but said it's no problem.

"The better the player you want, the lesser the desire of the club to let him go, so we are prepared for it,- if we have to wait 6-7 weeks (for a signing) it is not a game changer".

Interesting comments, wonder who he's talking about.

He was just talking generally, said he'd prefer them in tomorrow but doesn't really matter as long as they are ready to go for pre season.

[JackWard33]

Do people genuinely believe that's a thing that actually happens?  Absolute myth that is. No player is unknown these days

It can have a big influence when you have a manager led recruitment strategy  … for it not to would be an argument against subjective bias (as in coaches / managers are capable of perfect objectivity)
Klopp confirmed it with Nunez for example

[killer-heels]

@MaddockMirror
Klopp admits there could be a delay for new signings, but said it's no problem.

"The better the player you want, the lesser the desire of the club to let him go, so we are prepared for it,- if we have to wait 6-7 weeks (for a signing) it is not a game changer".

Interesting comments, wonder who he's talking about.

100% that means Gravenberch. I would be happy for that, he is great.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Remember when Lavia moved to Southampton in the summer and a few on here were saying it was a FFP scam and more evidence of City's dodgy dealings?  And now he's got loads of top clubs sniffing around him for a much bigger fee.  Southampton knew what they were doing with that transfer.

I mean they got relegated and have lost a lot of money due to that, so I wouldn't call it a particularly sound strategy

[AndyMuller]

Do people genuinely believe that's a thing that actually happens?  Absolute myth that is. No player is unknown these days

See Minamino and Nunez.

[killer-heels]

The angst that people have about transfer rumours is completely out of proportion though. It's one thing to see us linked with a player and say "I hope we don't sign him, I don't rate him" but at the moment it's turning into anger at our recruitment which is absurd, because we sign about 2% of the players we're actually linked with.

You say it's quite clear we're scouring the market. No it isn't. We have such little idea of what is happening behind the scenes. Gakpo wasn't linked until he signed, Nunez was out of nowhere, we clearly are still able to keep a lot of our transfer movements under wraps. So let's at least wait for the season to end shall we?

We are 5th, out of the CL, fucked up the last two transfer windows and our primary target we found out we couldnt afford. There will be a bit of angst.

Dont get me wrong, it would be silly if we have come 2nd or 3rd. But we havent, we have had a shite season.