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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4320 on: April 22, 2024, 09:02:02 am »
Looking ahead (which is always foolish)…

How will that Villa game for us and the rivals games against Spurs play out? In theory we want Spurs to be going for top 4 when they play Arsenal and City (in the final week of the season). But that can only happen if Villa are still not sure if qualification either, meaning we’d have to go there with them needing something from that game rather than being safe.

We can’t have it both ways so either we play Villa when they’ve secured 4th meaning Spurs might not be too intensity when they play City. Or Villa won’t have it sewn up meaning we’d have to go there and get what would probably be our best away win of the season.

Too far off to worry about just yet, but if we get to that stage with everything still on the line it’s going to be an intense few days!

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4321 on: April 22, 2024, 09:08:08 am »
I would love to see some evidence that shows scoring a goal excludes scoring a goal a few minutes later. The reality is that scoring a goal increases the chances of scoring another goal.

I think you know that this is a very silly post, Al, but I'll explain anyway. Chaos theory tells us that we wouldn't have scored the goal we did a minute after the Odegaard incident. It would have been a completely different reality that we were operating in, so to say we'd have found ourselves 2-1 up at that point doesn't make sense. If the handball had come after our goal, you'd have a point. As the saying goes, a VAR ref making a decision made in Stockley Park, could cause a tornado to occur in Liverpool. Or something.

Fair point from AIAR that there's enough ref chat in here though. Probably enough basic theoretical physics too 😅
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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4322 on: April 22, 2024, 09:17:15 am »
It's not in our hands so we can only focus on the next game.

We've not been playing well enough to look beyond that but hopefully the last two away wins are the starting point for our return to form.

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4323 on: April 22, 2024, 09:19:06 am »
Looking ahead (which is always foolish)…

How will that Villa game for us and the rivals games against Spurs play out? In theory we want Spurs to be going for top 4 when they play Arsenal and City (in the final week of the season). But that can only happen if Villa are still not sure if qualification either, meaning we’d have to go there with them needing something from that game rather than being safe.

We can’t have it both ways so either we play Villa when they’ve secured 4th meaning Spurs might not be too intensity when they play City. Or Villa won’t have it sewn up meaning we’d have to go there and get what would probably be our best away win of the season.

Too far off to worry about just yet, but if we get to that stage with everything still on the line it’s going to be an intense few days!


We need to win all our games either way I think. So best not to think about it too deeply on our side. Hopefully Villa have a really attritional couple of weeks and Spurs stay in the hunt and hungry. Crucially we play Villa the night before Spurs play City. We can do them a favour and send them into the City with something on the line.

It's Spurs though - so I expect nothing from them.

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4324 on: April 22, 2024, 09:41:40 am »
Personally I’d just take this a game at a time. That’s my thinking anyway.

The win yesterday keeps us in the race. As it stands we need a win at Everton to stay in the race. Not trying to think too much beyond that. Other results may mean we don’t need to win all 6 or may mean 6 wins is only good enough for 3rd.

Not worth worrying about that currently. Just win the next game (in my opinion our biggest game of the season before a ball is kicked) and take it from there.

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4325 on: April 22, 2024, 09:45:46 am »
If we learned one thing over the past 7 years, it is not to torture yourself over other's results. Yes, we'll be looking out for Arsenal this week and taking a note of City at Brighton but all we can do is win our games.

We were not completely rebuilt last summer and must be 99% of all fans did not expect a title charge this season. We absolutely have to put everything into the last 5. The common 'Derby draw' that Everton sometimes eke out will not be enough for us, so we have to go for it even more.

End of the day, these are the last games of Jurgen Klopp, it will come down to nerve, finishing, thank Fowler we have Trent back and looking good again.

These are good times to be a Red, as I fully believe the backroom set up for next season is looking excellent, with a coach to come.

But this is Jurgen's last lap, let's enjoy it.
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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4326 on: April 22, 2024, 09:50:48 am »
I can see one of Arsenal/City dropping points but maybe not both but still we need to win all our remaining games and hope

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4327 on: April 22, 2024, 11:12:27 am »
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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4328 on: April 22, 2024, 11:31:21 am »
I can see one of Arsenal/City dropping points but maybe not both but still we need to win all our remaining games and hope

They can both lose to Spurs. We can beat Villa in the penultimate game to give Spurs the incentive to go and beat City in order to secure 4th.
There you go, job done :)

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4329 on: April 22, 2024, 12:52:51 pm »
They can both lose to Spurs. We can beat Villa in the penultimate game to give Spurs the incentive to go and beat City in order to secure 4th.
There you go, job done :)

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4330 on: April 22, 2024, 12:59:34 pm »
I think you know that this is a very silly post, Al, but I'll explain anyway. Chaos theory tells us that we wouldn't have scored the goal we did a minute after the Odegaard incident. It would have been a completely different reality that we were operating in, so to say we'd have found ourselves 2-1 up at that point doesn't make sense. If the handball had come after our goal, you'd have a point. As the saying goes, a VAR ref making a decision made in Stockley Park, could cause a tornado to occur in Liverpool. Or something.

Fair point from AIAR that there's enough ref chat in here though. Probably enough basic theoretical physics too 😅

It's just as nonsensical to claim that we definitely wouldn't have scored a couple of minutes later as it is to claim we definitely would have. Alternate realities and timelines, sure, but the reality of football is that the Anfield crowd goes up a notch or three with the [probable] goal and Arsenal faces a sustained period of intense pressure. What I'm saying is, you're both wrong. :P

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4331 on: April 22, 2024, 01:07:16 pm »
Palmer not training for Chelsea today due to sickness, makes Arsenals job a bit easier if he's not deemed to be fit to play

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4332 on: April 22, 2024, 01:12:03 pm »
Palmer not training for Chelsea today due to sickness, makes Arsenals job a bit easier if he's not deemed to be fit to play

I swear to christ Arsenal must be the luckiest team ever. Absolutely everything falls for them this season.
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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4333 on: April 22, 2024, 01:13:56 pm »
I swear to christ Arsenal must be the luckiest team ever. Absolutely everything falls for them this season.

It certainly does feel that way! Suppose all we can do is keep winning our games and hope they and City mess up somewhere. Could do with them facing fully strength teams mind!

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4334 on: April 22, 2024, 01:34:10 pm »
Let’s not worry about Arsenal at this stage.

Sure Palmer plays tomorrow.
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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4335 on: April 22, 2024, 01:37:22 pm »
villa play a high line & leave space.
actually think that one miht not be as hard as people think

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4336 on: April 22, 2024, 01:40:57 pm »
Beat Everton, that’s the only thing we can control. Play well, get the three points, and see what the others do.

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4337 on: April 22, 2024, 01:53:49 pm »
It's not in our hands so we can only focus on the next game.

We've not been playing well enough to look beyond that but hopefully the last two away wins are the starting point for our return to form.
The entire picture could change for good or bad between Tuesday and Thursday. Arsenal' should' beat Chelsea on Tuesday, but it's not a given. We will doubtless get involved in a scrap with Everton on Wednesday. You would expect the cheats to then win on Thursday.

If all 3 teams win, the cheats keep their advantage and become more likely to win the league. However, we could have a scenario where we're effectively eliminated from contention, or one where it's in our hands with 4 games to play, leading us all to wonder why we were so downbeat  :o

If it was a straight fight between us and Arsenal, it would be a fantastic run in as both sides could definitely drop points. A shame that there's a cheating interloper.
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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4338 on: April 22, 2024, 02:43:01 pm »
It's just as nonsensical to claim that we definitely wouldn't have scored a couple of minutes later as it is to claim we definitely would have. Alternate realities and timelines, sure, but the reality of football is that the Anfield crowd goes up a notch or three with the [probable] goal and Arsenal faces a sustained period of intense pressure. What I'm saying is, you're both wrong. :P

But we did score, and then we didn’t build on it. Why would it have been different if the penalty had been awarded?

In any case, if Trent’s shot is 2 inches lower in the second half we probably go on to win, it was in our hands

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4339 on: April 22, 2024, 02:52:37 pm »
Chelsea seem so inconsistent, it's either win 5-0 or get completely thumped. Most of the former is thanks to Cole Palmer, who has probably injured his shoulders from carrying everyone else in that team.

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4340 on: April 22, 2024, 08:06:24 pm »
so Adam & James to start against AD with Macka textin bros to step it up?
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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4341 on: April 22, 2024, 08:38:33 pm »
James Milner, last minute winner from the spot......
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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4342 on: April 22, 2024, 10:50:34 pm »
Can anyone link or provide Klopp's points totals in the last 10 games for each year he has been in charge of us?

I can't find it from so many pages ago

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4343 on: April 23, 2024, 07:28:15 am »
One thing for sure is that Spurs arent winning all 3 games vs us, Arsenal and City.

But I don't think they lose all 3 either.

They're most likely to get a result vs Arsenal IMO due to the hatred factor.

Everton first anyway. Have to win.
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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4344 on: April 23, 2024, 07:32:26 am »
Also, the only one Spurs play away is us at Anfield, which might help. Ideal scenario they win both at home and lose to us, making them the best team in the world and a lovely bunch of lads that everyone always thought were just great.

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4345 on: April 23, 2024, 08:14:46 am »
So much of this is down to pure luck now, in terms of injuries and scheduling. Just taking Villa as an example, they rested players against City because they had a big European game, went full strength against Arsenal and beat them. What Villa side do we end up playing? Well, they've got a semi final second leg at Olympiacosa few days before. Will they have top for sewn up, or will they be desperate for a result?

Then there's spurs. They are going to be absolutely dying to take points off Arsenal. They then go away to another arch rival in Chelsea before visiting us. A big game but maybe some energy spent? They are city's bogey team, but the fixture being rearranged to the penultimate game week could either make it a dead rubber or an even bigger game than usual if their top 4 chances are still alive

Even generally over the course of a season. We've played Palace who are right on the up instead of two games against the fucking Hodge. You throw in injuries, the amount of rest time etc and you realise that all these small external things that are out of our control totally can make all the difference by the end.

I've got a bit of excitement back, I have to say. I'll be shocked if Arsenal take 6 points from their two games this week. City have one really tough away game on paper plus another one against a wounded, very publicly upset relegation battling side who we only beat right at the death. We've got a confidence boosting win under our belts and a huge chance to build on that and turn all the momentum back around against a, frankly, shit Everton.

It's stressful, it's shit if you don't get over the line, but it's a title race and we're all obliged to try and enjoy it. You never know when the next challenge might come and it's a fuck of a lot better than being 30 points behind,  scrapping to get in the conference league. Strap yourselves in folks it's a big few days ahead!

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4346 on: April 23, 2024, 08:23:56 am »
Massive 6 days for all 3 teams.


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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4347 on: April 23, 2024, 08:26:23 am »
Nice post Alonso! Yeah, but week ahead. If Palmer is out tonight that’s annoying but Chelsea have looked better of late. They seem to kiss a lot of handed but just needs a night where one does go in. We haven’t seen enough if Arsenal going behind and seeing how they react, hopefully tonight that can happen.

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4348 on: April 23, 2024, 08:31:45 am »
If we learned one thing over the past 7 years, it is not to torture yourself over other's results. Yes, we'll be looking out for Arsenal this week and taking a note of City at Brighton but all we can do is win our games.

We were not completely rebuilt last summer and must be 99% of all fans did not expect a title charge this season. We absolutely have to put everything into the last 5. The common 'Derby draw' that Everton sometimes eke out will not be enough for us, so we have to go for it even more.

End of the day, these are the last games of Jurgen Klopp, it will come down to nerve, finishing, thank Fowler we have Trent back and looking good again.

These are good times to be a Red, as I fully believe the backroom set up for next season is looking excellent, with a coach to come.

But this is Jurgen's last lap, let's enjoy it.

Refreshing post, thank you. It filled me with optimism of what the future beholds for our beloved club.

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4349 on: April 23, 2024, 08:49:17 am »
Nice post Alonso! Yeah, but week ahead. If Palmer is out tonight that’s annoying but Chelsea have looked better of late. They seem to kiss a lot of handed but just needs a night where one does go in. We haven’t seen enough if Arsenal going behind and seeing how they react, hopefully tonight that can happen.
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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4350 on: April 23, 2024, 09:22:30 am »
Refreshing post, thank you. It filled me with optimism of what the future beholds for our beloved club.

Thank you and let's do this!
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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4351 on: April 23, 2024, 10:50:03 am »
Feels like Arsenal really need to drop some points either tonight or on Sunday. I fear that if they win the next 2, they'll win out which means no chance of us catching them on GD regardless of how City does.

For the love of god, I really want them to concede once for once and all. Also, be interesting how PGMOL will treat Forest in their next match at home vs. City. City will have fewer than 72 hours to prepare for the match after a night at Brighton, and Forest will have this us vs. world mentality.


In hindsight, even a bloody draw vs. Palace would have made the world of difference:
- No longer caring about Arsenal's results
- Needing City to draw in a game, not necessarily lose (draw now possible, but will be tight re: GD)

Personally think the picture will be much clearer by end of Sunday night. Just gotta grab our 6 points (and maybe boost the GD by +4) and hope for the best.

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4352 on: April 23, 2024, 11:55:27 am »
No Foden, Haaland or Alvarez in training apparently. We'll see.
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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4353 on: April 23, 2024, 12:06:55 pm »
The annoying thing is I can see City dropping points and Arsenal now winning out! My mind is all over the place. If thats the case I think Palace have well and truly fcked us.

Anyway who knows what happens ...by Thursday we could be 3 points clear of Arsenal and 4 clear of City.

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4354 on: April 23, 2024, 12:17:38 pm »
Don't care about their results at all. Loss to Palace and iffy series of games has reset my expectations back to simply enjoying us play and hoping we find some form. If we win both games this week, we'll be in the race on the last day. That's all I want really, the last game with Klopp to be one where everything is possible.

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4355 on: April 23, 2024, 12:41:46 pm »
Come on chelsea.
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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4356 on: April 23, 2024, 12:45:03 pm »
Come on chelsea.
Jackson to channel his inner Didier Drogba today. Madueke to channel robben come on...

The thing with Jackson is for as bad a finisher as he can be, he never stops making the runs so he can be a handful. He only needs to get lucky or do something right once to damage Arsenal. It’s not like he’s a complete dud with his work away from goal scoring.

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4357 on: April 23, 2024, 01:36:32 pm »
The annoying thing is I can see City dropping points and Arsenal now winning out! My mind is all over the place. If thats the case I think Palace have well and truly fcked us.

Anyway who knows what happens ...by Thursday we could be 3 points clear of Arsenal and 4 clear of City.

City and Arsenal losing? Us winning. That would be a real turn up for the books. Those of us who've had tantrums over the past couple weeks about 'throwing it away' would look a little silly :)

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4358 on: April 23, 2024, 01:39:15 pm »
I just don't see how City can drop points in the run-in with no further distractions, I really don't. And if it is going to happen it has to be this week.

Arsenal on the other hand I really can't see getting maximum points and in fact I can see them dropping points both tonight and on Sunday.

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Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Reply #4359 on: April 23, 2024, 01:40:01 pm »
Need Arsenal to concede first, if they do that then I don’t see them winning.