Topic: Everton - The 777 Unflushables

[MonsLibpool]

These have just gone 12 without a win, a new recored, they are shite as well to be fair

Sure and that's why we need to beat them.

There's only one relegation spot left. Luton maybe if they stop bottling leads can do something but Everton have more experience in these situations. It's surprising to have 8-10 points docked still surviving.

[Yosser0_0]

They want Dyche sacked now!! ffs
 

That's all well and good but the bright sparks over there are not offering any alternatives, oh I have heard Baines mentioned.
 

[TepidT2O]

They want Dyche sacked now!! ffs
 

That's all well and good but the bright sparks over there are not offering any alternatives, oh I have heard Baines mentioned.
 

They’ve failed to notice that Dyche is their level now.

[Yosser0_0]

They’ve failed to notice that Dyche is their level now.

Some have twigged that they can't afford to ditch him. Wasn't that why Leicester stuck with Rodgers?

[Black Bull Nova]

They’ve failed to notice that Dyche is their level now.

If they sack Dyche (and pay for a new manager and the non-Burnley players they will want to bring in) then they will lose money in 2024 and have even more points taken off them.
Everton eh!
May have to just surround his car and try and frighten him, worked on Gordon

[Statto Red]

Rumour is it’s 4 points.

A further 4 point deduction would put Everton in the bottom 3, 1 point below Luton & Forest, & their game in hand is against us.

[4pool]

This year or next 

Both. 

[[new username under construction]]

I mean to be fair, Dyche isn't great is he, I think the best they could do is just not have a manager at all, that will solve so many problems for them! It's really forward thinking, they'd be like sooooooo admired by everyone else in the League...wow look what Everton are doing, they are light years ahead of us all.

[Yosser0_0]

Dyche has now overtaken, or should that be undertaken, Benitez in terms of win percentage with 31.48% - Umm, that's quite bad isn't it? Not however as bad a Lampard with an incredible win percentage of 27.91% after 43 games in charge which is an outstanding performance even by Everton standards. To think he was the 'chosen' one for the fans, although a lot of them are backtracking on that now being the revisionists that they are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Everton_F.C._managers

[Fromola]

I mean to be fair, Dyche isn't great is he, I think the best they could do is just not have a manager at all, that will solve so many problems for them! It's really forward thinking, they'd be like sooooooo admired by everyone else in the League...wow look what Everton are doing, they are light years ahead of us all.

Their football is absolutely awful but they score just enough goals from corners and park the bus enough to blag enough results. They offer nothing to the league at all. At least Luton and Burnley under Kompany play a bit of football and there's plenty of goals in their games. 

Last season they only stayed up by effectively one goal and that was because Leicester and Leeds collapsed and made the most ridiculous managerial appointments. This season the promoted teams may as well have not bothered and their heads are above water because of that and the bounce a points deduction gave them (which will probably happen again when they get a few more taken off). Next season it'll be other teams getting deducted points - or not being able to spend after promotion - that'll see them okay.

[12C]

Dyche has now overtaken, or should that be undertaken, Benitez in terms of win percentage with 31.48% - Umm, that's quite bad isn't it? Not however as bad a Lampard with an incredible win percentage of 27.91% after 43 games in charge which is an outstanding performance even by Everton standards. To think he was the 'chosen' one for the fans, although a lot of them are backtracking on that now being the revisionists that they are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Everton_F.C._managers

Replaced by “LeBon Bon”
Wtf

[jacobs chains]

Rumour is it’s 4 points.

I can't see them getting a lesser punishment for a second offence, especially as they have made no effort whatsoever to get their house in order. Then again, with the disciplinary panel and appeals panel using a random punishment generator it could go either way.

[FiSh77]

Their football is absolutely awful but they score just enough goals from corners and park the bus enough to blag enough results. They offer nothing to the league at all. At least Luton and Burnley under Kompany play a bit of football and there's plenty of goals in their games. 

Last season they only stayed up by effectively one goal and that was because Leicester and Leeds collapsed and made the most ridiculous managerial appointments. This season the promoted teams may as well have not bothered and their heads are above water because of that and the bounce a points deduction gave them (which will probably happen again when they get a few more taken off). Next season it'll be other teams getting deducted points - or not being able to spend after promotion - that'll see them okay.

Chuck in Maddison's missed penalty to make it 3-1, why the fuck didn't Vardy take it?

[Brain Potter]

These haven't won a league game since beating Burnley on the 16th December, the day before we drew 0-0 with Man United.
They have Newcastle away this midweek, followed by Burnley at home next Saturday.
Likely to lose 4 points in the coming fortnight.
They need to beat Burnley really...
For all Luton's trying hard etc... they aren't winning any games either, Forest maybe have just enough about them to scrape enough.
My summary is that even with a further points deduction, they'll just about scrape survival on the back of another 'famous' Goodison win.
     

[Hazell]

Rumour is it’s 4 points.

Don't think anyone knows. No one knew how many their first points deduction was, or what it was going to be on appeal and no one knew what Forest's points deduction was going to be. Feels like people are just plucking random numbers and hoping one sticks.

How much are they over by this time? I think the 6 point penalty was based on the EFL calculation so that may be a bit of a guide
Obviously this is their second breach so they could get slightly more of a deduction as well.

[Yosser0_0]

Replaced by “LeBon Bon”
Wtf

 

Missed that!

Lampard just about kept Everton up, but after a very below-par first half of the following season, alongside unrest from fans against the board, he was sacked on 23 January 2023 with the Toffeemen sitting bottom alongside Southampton with only 15 points, and he was replaced by Lebon Bon a week later on 30 January 2023.[16][17]

I see the hyperlink takes you to the 'Lebon Bon' wiki page which hasn't been populated yet. Surely a creative RAWK poster could do the honours?
 

[TheMissionary]

Chuck in Maddison's missed penalty to make it 3-1, why the fuck didn't Vardy take it?

If Madison had scored, Leicester would have stayed up, and he wouldn't have gone to Spurs for bigger money.  He missed on purpose.

[FiSh77]

Don't think anyone knows. No one knew how many their first points deduction was, or what it was going to be on appeal and no one knew what Forest's points deduction was going to be. Feels like people are just plucking random numbers and hoping one sticks.

How much are they over by this time? I think the 6 point penalty was based on the EFL calculation so that may be a bit of a guide
Obviously this is their second breach so they could get slightly more of a deduction as well.

The deadline for filing the accounts with companies house is today but they're not available yet, Everton have said they've been filed so I expect them to be on there after the bank holiday, they're estimated to have made a £45m loss last season including the sale of Gordon, the previous season was around £47m off the top of my head, the 3rd season is covid effected so not sure how it's worked out but they don't have much to play with to avoid going well over

[rafathegaffa83]

If Madison had scored, Leicester would have stayed up, and he wouldn't have gone to Spurs for bigger money.  He missed on purpose.

He still would have been sold because of Leicester's PSR issues. The problem Leicester had was that unlike Everton most of their key players knew they'd easily move on to a club in one of Europe's top 4 leagues. There was no motivation. Sometimes you just need a purple patch to stay up when you believe as a team you have something to fight for (i.e Everton's purple patch after the first points deduction announcement)

[Hazell]

The deadline for filing the accounts with companies house is today but they're not available yet, Everton have said they've been filed so I expect them to be on there after the bank holiday, they're estimated to have made a £45m loss last season including the sale of Gordon, the previous season was around £47m off the top of my head, the 3rd season is covid effected so not sure how it's worked out but they don't have much to play with to avoid going well over

Thanks.

I know they'll appeal regardless of what the deduction is but their first appeal wasn't successful in respect of what they were actually charged for. The appeals panel said most of the charges were correct and the ones they overturned related to Everton being misleading, which were not in the original panel's remit.

Therfore, I'd be surprised if the original punishment this time isn't close to what the final points deduction will be.

[SamLad]

Thanks.

I know they'll appeal regardless of what the deduction is but their first appeal wasn't successful in respect of what they were actually charged for. The appeals panel said most of the charges were correct and the ones they overturned related to Everton being misleading, which were not in the original panel's remit.

Therfore, I'd be surprised if the original punishment this time isn't close to what the final points deduction will be.

not following this closely -- does that mean their misleading behaviour IS in the current panel's remit?

[Hazell]

not following this closely -- does that mean their misleading behaviour IS in the current panel's remit?

It wasn't for the first breach but the panel said they were guilty of it anyway. When it went to appeal, that decision was overturned on the basis that the original panel shouldn't have ruled on it.

Ultimately, on appeal, it was ruled that the punishment for the breaches were originally correct. The additional charges for misleading the Premier League were incorrect.

[Red Beret]

The punishment is really hard to call. Does the panel slap a higher deduction on Everton, knowing there's a good chance it will be reduced on appeal, or do they go lower and hope the appeals panel is less lenient?

I could see a 10 point deduction being reduced to four points, or a six point deduction being reduced to three. But with the appeal likely not being decided until after the end of the season, does the appeals panel put the cat amongst the pigeons and reduce a deduction that might change who is relegated?

If Forest go down and Everton stay up by one point, whilst they're both appealing their deductions then it's a complete mess. And that's effectively what could/should have happened last season with Leicester and Everton, if Everton hadn't dragged their heels submitting their accounts. 

[rob1966]

The punishment is really hard to call. Does the panel slap a higher deduction on Everton, knowing there's a good chance it will be reduced on appeal, or do they go lower and hope the appeals panel is less lenient?

I could see a 10 point deduction being reduced to four points, or a six point deduction being reduced to three. But with the appeal likely not being decided until after the end of the season, does the appeals panel put the cat amongst the pigeons and reduce a deduction that might change who is relegated?

If Forest go down and Everton stay up by one point, whilst they're both appealing their deductions then it's a complete mess. And that's effectively what could/should have happened last season with Leicester and Everton, if Everton hadn't dragged their heels submitting their accounts. 

If I was on the panel and I'm being unbiased here, I'd see what I thought they should get then add 2 or 3 pts so that the appeal only ended up putting them on the deduction they deserved.

With Leicester getting charged, imagine the can of worms that would have opened? Also, I'm sure I read it was the PL pushing for it last season and the appeals panel said no, they needed to give the shite time to sort their defence out?

[ScouserAtHeart]

Well that's taken away what little joy they might've had this weekend

[DonkeyWan]

This made me laugh from GOT, a description of 777 partners.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6QgHUJIQ5Q&t=69s

[Fromola]

Listening to The Price of Football pod the other day, apparently the 4 conditions set out by the PL to 777 include transparency of funding, Moshiri writing off all his loans and 777 converting all the money they've loaned Everton into shares.

[Cafe De Paris]

They have released their accounts. They are properly fooked.

[Armchair expert]

They have released their accounts. They are properly fooked.

And released when one of the biggest games of the season is taking place. I'm guessing stadium update coming out tomorrow

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/everton-losses-double-latest-accounts-28916407

[FiSh77]

They have released their accounts. They are properly fooked.

£89m loss?

Am I reading that right?

[Fromola]

£89m loss?

Am I reading that right?

79 of it to be written off as down to the Ukraine war, the other £10m is down to Covid.

[FiSh77]

ifithadntabinferputin

[rafathegaffa83]

And released when one of the biggest games of the season is taking place. I'm guessing stadium update coming out tomorrow

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/everton-losses-double-latest-accounts-28916407

There are some mitigating circumstances, namely the impact of the club suspending its sponsorship deals with Russia-linked companies following the country’s invasion of Ukraine. .

[Red Beret]

If I was on the panel and I'm being unbiased here, I'd see what I thought they should get then add 2 or 3 pts so that the appeal only ended up putting them on the deduction they deserved.

With Leicester getting charged, imagine the can of worms that would have opened? Also, I'm sure I read it was the PL pushing for it last season and the appeals panel said no, they needed to give the shite time to sort their defence out?

As I recall, didn't Everton deliberately drag their heels on submitting their accounts last year, to push any potential punishments into this season?

But yeah, if both Leicester and Everton had been charged last year, with them both scrapping against relegation, it would have made for a messy situation. It's little better now though, except Everton are now multiple offenders.

[Red Beret]

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    There are some mitigating circumstances, namely the impact of the club suspending its sponsorship deals with Russia-linked companies following the country’s invasion of Ukraine. .

What the fook difference does that make? Losses are losses, you can't just pretend they didn't happen because the circumstances of their occurrence are inconvenient. It's not like it was bloody Covid, which affected all clubs.

[thaddeus]

As I recall, didn't Everton deliberately drag their heels on submitting their accounts last year, to push any potential punishments into this season?

But yeah, if both Leicester and Everton had been charged last year, with them both scrapping against relegation, it would have made for a messy situation. It's little better now though, except Everton are now multiple offenders.

Both should have been relegated and Leeds should have been reprieved as the poster boys for financial competence 

[rafathegaffa83]

What the fook difference does that make? Losses are losses, you can't just pretend they didn't happen because the circumstances of their occurrence are inconvenient. It's not like it was bloody Covid, which affected all clubs.

Oh I agree. I'd be very interested if that nugget is in their reports because it demonstrates that Usmanov was definitely propping up their finances. Something they've also had over a year to rectify

[GivePeasAChant]

Bit of a discussion on reddit EFC. this caught my eye:
 
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Cardinaltoffee
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2m ago
I feel like digging up my dead grandad so I can slap him for burdening me with supporting this fucking club

 

[tubby]

Bit of a discussion on reddit EFC. this caught my eye:
 
u/Cardinaltoffee avatar
Cardinaltoffee
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2m ago
I feel like digging up my dead grandad so I can slap him for burdening me with supporting this fucking club

 

[Red Beret]

Oh I agree. I'd be very interested if that nugget is in their reports because it demonstrates that Usmanov was definitely propping up their finances. Something they've also had over a year to rectify

It's really weird for someone like me who doesn't understand accounts. "Yeah, you lost X amount of money, but because of Y circumstances we're going to pretend that loss didn't happen" or something like that.

The money's still gone, the hole in the finances is still there, and there's still no clue how the gap is going to be bridged. It's like they're literally ignoring reality and pretending the club is in a better financial shape than it is because stuff happened. The stuff still fucking happened!