Topic: The Irish Politics Thread.

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So it looks like Mick Martin will be our leader up until the end of 2022.   Just like everybody wanted.

What’s the SF reaction - appears they’ve been shafted?

[Ray K]

What’s the SF reaction - appears they’ve been shafted?

It's been well flagged for weeks, but I honestly think (despite what the public pronouncements will be) that they're fine with letting FF and the Greens take charge at an incredibly shitty time for the economy while SF can sit and snipe from the sidelines without having a fully analysed economic policy.  I can't see the coalition lasting beyond the end of 2022 anyway - decisions are going to be too difficult, with too many backbench TDs still living civil war politics - so I think they'll be in pole position to take over then.

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It's been well flagged for weeks, but I honestly think (despite what the public pronouncements will be) that they're fine with letting FF and the Greens take charge at an incredibly shitty time for the economy while SF can sit and snipe from the sidelines without having a fully analysed economic policy.  I can't see the coalition lasting beyond the end of 2022 anyway - decisions are going to be too difficult, with too many backbench TDs still living civil war politics - so I think they'll be in pole position to take over then.

Thanks

[fowlermagic]

It's been well flagged for weeks, but I honestly think (despite what the public pronouncements will be) that they're fine with letting FF and the Greens take charge at an incredibly shitty time for the economy while SF can sit and snipe from the sidelines without having a fully analysed economic policy.  I can't see the coalition lasting beyond the end of 2022 anyway - decisions are going to be too difficult, with too many backbench TDs still living civil war politics - so I think they'll be in pole position to take over then.

Will SF even want it then as cant see the future being too bright for any party in charge as the realisation of how bad it is has yet to hit us. Some people think the economy is on hold and once the shut down is over we will be virtually back on track by 2021. We are in for a serious land as those unemployed cannot immigrate in the same numbers they did before when the recession hit so unemployment will be around the 15% mark this winter I fear.

The Green party will surely take a hit if we end up with another election this year as they have a chance to be part of something right now and seem too busy with inhouse squabbling.

[fowlermagic]

The vast majority of pubs around the country do not have a restaurant so are unable to open their doors today even though their area/county may have had less than 30 deaths. At the same time the hot spot for the virus with more cases than the rest of the country combined can carry on serving pints as long as there is a meal on the bill. Amazing

[FlashGordon]

The vast majority of pubs around the country do not have a restaurant so are unable to open their doors today even though their area/county may have had less than 30 deaths. At the same time the hot spot for the virus with more cases than the rest of the country combined can carry on serving pints as long as there is a meal on the bill. Amazing

Thought they could get away with serving toasties and the like.

[fowlermagic]

Fáilte Ireland has finally published its guidelines for reopening pubs as the coronavirus lockdown eases. The 22-page document arrived on Wednesday evening. Pubs that serve food can open on Monday, June 29th. Pubs that don’t serve food must wait until July 20th.

That is the official stance at the moment and I cant see a pub who does not have a food license being able to legally open right now. Look there is a lot more important things that my local opening as to be honest I only go once or twice a month anyway. The crazy thing is we are trying to open in a safe and cautious manner but I can see us allowing Americans into the country by July 20th as the tourist industry in all of Europe will be crying out for business. If we were really trying to be cautious then the hot spots would be a stage or two behind in the opening but instead we are seeing Dublin get back to "normal" before counties like Waterford who had no covid deaths I believe. Everything should be open there for the past few weeks but the government are more concerned about their ability to get a lunch after their half day in the Dail. 

[Macphisto80]

Fáilte Ireland has finally published its guidelines for reopening pubs as the coronavirus lockdown eases. The 22-page document arrived on Wednesday evening. Pubs that serve food can open on Monday, June 29th. Pubs that don’t serve food must wait until July 20th.

That is the official stance at the moment and I cant see a pub who does not have a food license being able to legally open right now. Look there is a lot more important things that my local opening as to be honest I only go once or twice a month anyway. The crazy thing is we are trying to open in a safe and cautious manner but I can see us allowing Americans into the country by July 20th as the tourist industry in all of Europe will be crying out for business. If we were really trying to be cautious then the hot spots would be a stage or two behind in the opening but instead we are seeing Dublin get back to "normal" before counties like Waterford who had no covid deaths I believe. Everything should be open there for the past few weeks but the government are more concerned about their ability to get a lunch after their half day in the Dail. 

The problem with allowing separate counties to be fully open with no restrictions is that it'll bring an influx of people from neighbouring counties to them. Unless you impose some kind of checkpoint system, but this being Ireland, and the roads being the way they are, that's next to impossible. I agree with the concern with the government insisting that tourists from what will surely be, and are currently, virus hotspots into the country. That should be an absolute fucking no-no! If the virus starts propagating again, it's going to be because of that and nothing else. Sure, the spike in Donegal came from letting people back from Iraq of all places. I mean, what in the absolute fuck are they playing at? You know it's going to happen, though.

[Big Dirk]

Deputy First minister Michelle O’Neill at a Republican funeral today attended by thousands with zero social distancing despite telling the nation how important it is to stick to the rules....no shame.

[FlashGordon]

Fáilte Ireland has finally published its guidelines for reopening pubs as the coronavirus lockdown eases. The 22-page document arrived on Wednesday evening. Pubs that serve food can open on Monday, June 29th. Pubs that don’t serve food must wait until July 20th.

That is the official stance at the moment and I cant see a pub who does not have a food license being able to legally open right now. Look there is a lot more important things that my local opening as to be honest I only go once or twice a month anyway. The crazy thing is we are trying to open in a safe and cautious manner but I can see us allowing Americans into the country by July 20th as the tourist industry in all of Europe will be crying out for business. If we were really trying to be cautious then the hot spots would be a stage or two behind in the opening but instead we are seeing Dublin get back to "normal" before counties like Waterford who had no covid deaths I believe. Everything should be open there for the past few weeks but the government are more concerned about their ability to get a lunch after their half day in the Dail.

I'm sure I've seen you don't need a food license. In fact pubs around me without one have opened. Maybe your local has just decided to wait, I don't know.

[FlashGordon]

Deputy First minister Michelle O’Neill at a Republican funeral today attended by thousands with zero social distancing despite telling the nation how important it is to stick to the rules....no shame.

Have you evidence of her not social distancing?

[Big Dirk]

Have you evidence of her not social distancing?

Yes pictures of her all all over social media standing for pics side by side with other people...not surprised she was already gonna be attending it...under orders.

[FlashGordon]

Yes pictures of her all all over social media standing for pics side by side with other people...not surprised she was already gonna be attending it...under orders.

That's not evidence. We're not on social media here. ''Under orders'' grow up will you for fuck sake.

[Big Dirk]

That's not evidence. We're not on social media here. ''Under orders'' grow up will you for fuck sake.

Pictures from her today standing side by side isn’t evidence😂Off course she was under orders!

[Big Dirk]

No doubt Michelle will be wetting herself if any any bands are out on the twelfth😂more faces than a Rubik’s cube!

[CraigR2323]

There's one here, but clearly SDing.

It's apparent though that SD 'broke down' in terms of the public, and indeed in some of the other pics it evidently did. Bit annoying, whatever your position. 

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0630/1150536-bobby-storey-funeral/

[FlashGordon]

Ok so we still haven't had any pictures of Michelle O'Neill not social distancing.

[Big Dirk]

Here is one

[FlashGordon]

Stupid of her. Very irresponsible.

[goalrushatgoodison]

Resigning matter in my opinion,

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Here is one

Massive own goal.  After having apparently done so well with COVID-19 (alongside Foster), i’d expect the NI exec will be all over her today.

[FlashGordon]

Yep can have no complaints if she's asked to go.

[legendkiller]

I'm sure I've seen you don't need a food license. In fact pubs around me without one have opened. Maybe your local has just decided to wait, I don't know.

Id keep it quiet if you like ur pint  ......Has to be meal to the value of least nine euro before can serve pints . Basically Gaa matches will be back before a regular Pub can open

[FlashGordon]

Id keep it quiet if you like ur pint  ......Has to be meal to the value of least nine euro before can serve pints . Basically Gaa matches will be back before a regular Pub can open

Yeah but they don't need a food licence. Just need to be able to make ham and cheese toasties and charge 9 euro for them.

[Ray K]

Yeah but they don't need a food licence. Just need to be able to make ham and cheese toasties and charge 9 euro for them.

You mean, Artisanal traditional bread, served with thinly sliced homemade potatoes marinated with country cheddar and spring onion.



9 euros please.  And here's a pint to go along with it.

[bryanod]

You mean, Artisanal traditional bread, served with thinly sliced homemade potatoes marinated with country cheddar and spring onion.



9 euros please.  And here's a pint to go along with it.

That's one way to get your place shutdown alright.

If cash for ash showed us anything, brass necks on the politicians up there means she probably won't even apologize nevermind resign.

[fowlermagic]

Id keep it quiet if you like ur pint  ......Has to be meal to the value of least nine euro before can serve pints . Basically Gaa matches will be back before a regular Pub can open

I think they can play challenge matches as of this week and contact training allowed but no way can they have a pint after the game. Makes so much sense .

The problem with allowing separate counties to be fully open with no restrictions is that it'll bring an influx of people from neighbouring counties to them. Unless you impose some kind of checkpoint system, but this being Ireland, and the roads being the way they are, that's next to impossible. I agree with the concern with the government insisting that tourists from what will surely be, and are currently, virus hotspots into the country. That should be an absolute fucking no-no! If the virus starts propagating again, it's going to be because of that and nothing else. Sure, the spike in Donegal came from letting people back from Iraq of all places. I mean, what in the absolute fuck are they playing at? You know it's going to happen, though.

Well they are going to have to learn how to close down the hot spots for the next time as there is no way this country will survive if we get a spike in one of the cities / regions and we have to shut everything up. We all know there is about a dozen different ways to get to the same spot in Ireland but the vast majority will behave based on what we saw since March and those eejits that dont, need to be hammered with penalties on their drivers license, fines and anyone in the car get the same fine. Its a small country with a limited number of tourist spots so its not impossible to control the traffic.

[Big Dirk]

Young Noah Donohue was buried today and if possible half of Belfast would loved to have attended his funeral but they didn’t due to his family asking people to respect social distancing but according to SF Michelle O’Neill had to be at yesterday’s funeral as the Republican family needed her support...she is adamant she won’t apologise...no shame.

[Macphisto80]

Here is one

Yeah, I see what you mean there. Mingling with thousands, she was.

Fuck sake, wind your neck in.

[Macphisto80]

Young Noah Donohue was buried today and if possible half of Belfast would loved to have attended his funeral but they didn’t due to his family asking people to respect social distancing but according to SF Michelle O’Neill had to be at yesterday’s funeral as the Republican family needed her support...she is adamant she won’t apologise...no shame.

You're bringing in the tragic burial of a child as an example to use as some kind of political point scoring, and you're talking about "no shame"? Fuckin eejit.

[Big Dirk]

Yeah, I see what you mean there. Mingling with thousands, she was.

Fuck sake, wind your neck in.

Yes she was mingling with thousands and then had the cheek to take a selfie!No doubt you are another shinner who has no morals...

[Big Dirk]

You're bringing in the tragic burial of a child as an example to use as some kind of political point scoring, and you're talking about "no shame"? Fuckin eejit.

Political point scoring?Dont deflect...by doing what she did yesterday is basically saying her friends are more important than any other other people who have lost their loved ones...but anyway you are the first person I have heard defend her so congratulations.

[Macphisto80]

Yes she was mingling with thousands and then had the cheek to take a selfie!No doubt you are another shinner who has no morals...

Mingling with thousands? Another Shinner with no morals? Behave yourself. And by making that little statement, you've just gone and betrayed yourself as another idiot with an agenda. You don't give a fuck about anything (issues pertaining the pandemic) other than you see a Republican attending a funeral of another prominent Republican, and it boils your piss. You're having a dig at everyone else who was there as much as you are her. At least be honest about that much, and maybe I'd respect your viewpoint a wee bit more.

[Big Dirk]

Mingling with thousands? Another Shinner with no morals? Behave yourself. And by making that little statement, you've just gone and betrayed yourself as another idiot with an agenda. You don't give a fuck about anything (issues pertaining the pandemic) other than you see a Republican attending a funeral of another prominent Republican, and it boils your piss. You're having a dig at everyone else who was there as much as you are her. At least be honest about that much, and maybe I'd respect your viewpoint a wee bit more.

Nope you are wrong again...I’m very rarely on this section of the forum but yes it boils my piss when someone who has constantly repeated  from March about social distancing goes out and does this and won’t even admit she’s in the wrong...disgusting.

[fowlermagic]

Just curious if the new Dail will head off on their two month summer holidays soon as unemployment numbers still hover around 25% and over 50% of under 25 are unemployed. How many hours a week has the average politician worked this year during the worse crisis we have faced? 

[fowlermagic]

Just curious if the new Dail will head off on their two month summer holidays soon as unemployment numbers still hover around 25% and over 50% of under 25 are unemployed. How many hours a week has the average politician worked this year during the worse crisis we have faced? 

Well they decided to wait a couple of extra weeks but on the day it was announced our Covid daily numbers nearly quadrupled was the same day the hard working Dail decided to head off for 6 weeks holidays. Our health officials turn up nearly ever day at the front line while the laziest shower of shytes head off on their annual summer leave as if nothing is wrong with the country. They were quick enough to take money off people who left the country for a weeks holidays so maybe they can take an unpaid leave themselves. At least the government did not try to give themselves a 15k pay rise the past month as they struggle on their annual pay of 125k.  Amazing they actually saw fit to approve that 15k plus pay rise when the average unemployed person right now is trying to survive on even less. Only when their feet were held to the fire did they refuse the raise but they still go home with more pay due to backhanders / extra expenses.

By the way unemployment numbers still hover around 22% and for those under 25 it is 45%. Go ahead and enjoy your well earned break. 

[Macphisto80]

It's almost as if colonialism didn't leave the island. Potential mass exodus of young people on the horizon again. What's new for Ireland, eh?

[FlashGordon]

We keep voting the same two parties in to power. Well not this time but they managed to worm their way in anyway. Nothing will change until that changes.

[drmick]

Well they decided to wait a couple of extra weeks but on the day it was announced our Covid daily numbers nearly quadrupled was the same day the hard working Dail decided to head off for 6 weeks holidays. Our health officials turn up nearly ever day at the front line while the laziest shower of shytes head off on their annual summer leave as if nothing is wrong with the country. They were quick enough to take money off people who left the country for a weeks holidays so maybe they can take an unpaid leave themselves. At least the government did not try to give themselves a 15k pay rise the past month as they struggle on their annual pay of 125k.  Amazing they actually saw fit to approve that 15k plus pay rise when the average unemployed person right now is trying to survive on even less. Only when their feet were held to the fire did they refuse the raise but they still go home with more pay due to backhanders / extra expenses.

By the way unemployment numbers still hover around 22% and for those under 25 it is 45%. Go ahead and enjoy your well earned break. 

Didn't realise the unemployment figures were that bad. Can't see Ireland being keen to subsume Northern Ireland any time soon if things are that bad. Northern Ireland offers up unique opportunities for access to UK and EU markets post-Brexit, but presumably the UK access disappears in re-unification?

[DangerScouse]

RIP John Hume, a truly great man.