Topic: Fifa 21 - Next Gen

[Fabulous_aurelio]

After what seems like buying the same game with transfer updates every year I am not too excited about this.

However Id be curious to see the difference on the next gen consoles.

A bit of info has been released today. Some nice screenshots, the one of the Anfield crowd certainly looks an improvement!

https://nextlevel.ea.com/en-us

Also for me, I only play career mode. Id like to see some improvements here.

I used to be Pro Evo through and through, however the lack of licensing and ammount of tine i spent editing before playing really began to grate. The infamous Kolo Toure face was the straw that broke the camels back for me!

[AndyMuller]

They have to improve on last years game which I thought was the worst FIFA ever released.

[J-Mc-]

Judging from the trailer last night, the demo with have:

Liverpool,
Chelsea,
PSG,
Dortmund,
Spurs,
City,
Atletico,
Real Madrid

As the playable teams. Looks like they’ve impproved the stadium shots and crowd atmosphere but the gameplay isn’t getting revealed until August.

Interesting that they’re doing a staggered reveal though, with different modes being shown on different dates.

[I've been a good boy]

They need to change the menus, it;'s been the same layout for years that's why every FIFA feels the same. And a change on career mode is badly needed, it's so limited with what you can do

[Fabulous_aurelio]

Oh yeah absolutely.

One simple thing about career mode they could fix instantly is simply having a players stats history. Its shit that you cant see that. Id love to look back at some of my players past seasons goals scored etc.

The form arrows are shit too. In pro evo if a player had a blue down arrow you really felt it in the game. This also encourages squad rotation which I liked.

Fifa doesnt have that at all.

[J-Mc-]

Using the same engine for next gen so don’t get your hopes up on much change gameplay wise.

[bailey90]

Interesting that they’re doing a staggered reveal though, with different modes being shown on different dates.

I might be wrong but I think they did something similar last year.

[gerrardisgod]

Yeah they drip feed the info, to go with differing mode alphas/betas.

God knows why, they’ve not touched two of the modes in about seven years.

[wampa1]

The website gives me a headache.

[Graeme]

Dual Entitlement - buy FIFA21 on PS4 or Xbox One and you can have the next Gen version at no extra cost if you purchase a new console

[OOS]

They have to improve on last years game which I thought was the worst FIFA ever released.

Deffo. The AI in the game is really poor. Someone did a comparison with Fifa 20 with Fifa 17. Fifa 17, when you have the ball, every player around you is moving. Moving into space, calling for the ball and defending AI is responding to that. A more fluid and dynamic playing experience. FIFA 20, every player stands still. No movement, which makes the game extremely boring and repetitive.

The through balls on this game are flawed. A simple through ball, either goes straight to the keeper or the pass assistance sends it in not the direction you precisely want but players can do 180 normal passes under pressure with their body facing the wrong way.

I understand the complaints of past FIFAs were it was ping pong passes and gameplay which was fast, but they've took it to the other extreme making it stale and slow. Generally one way to win, keep your defence deep and pass between your CDMs until you find an opening. I hope the next Gen allows you to play a variety of ways, especially UT with all the different cards available.

[Darren G]

They have to improve on last years game which I thought was the worst FIFA ever released.

 Yup. I agree with what OOS said too. FIFAs problem for a long time now has been that it's style over substance though. It's all well and good adding stuff - as seen in the video - like the bus arriving, but far more important to fix/improve the core gameplay. I'll give the demo a fair shake, but I'm sceptical that they'll do the latter given EAs track record with the series.

[J-Mc-]

Problem with the demo is it ALWAYS feels different, plays really well, but then you get all the kids moaning and EA revert back to the previous style of gameplay within a week or two.

[Darren G]

Problem with the demo is it ALWAYS feels different, plays really well, but then you get all the kids moaning and EA revert back to the previous style of gameplay within a week or two.

 True.  Fucking EA.  Every year the demo/acutal game experience is like going on a blind date with someone who's picture looks like Ana de Armas... and then when they turn up it's Susan Boyle.

[has gone odd]

Hadn't played FIFA for years but decided to drop some coin on 20. Its slow and tedious, agreed. What I really despise is this insistence to unlock cards you have to play a fair amount online, here you find one of the worst online matchmaking systems iv'e ever seen. Literally every single star card team vs my bunch of shitty golds, can hold out for ages but always lose by a goal or 2. Its not fun whatsoever, so you go through some even worse squad battle system .. just .. no.

21 needs to shake up the modes a lot and improve game pace.

[J-Mc-]

Always thought a way they should improve ultimate team would be to do a league structure.

So you get put into a league of 20 other players, each starting out with a club of 25 players ranging from bronze to gold.

You can sign players (buy cards,) but they only come up on a randomised marketplace, so one week you could have 20 players ranging from say Lewandowski to Traore. Highest bidder wins and you can only purchase one player per every 2 weeks, meaning that if you take a chance one week, you potentially miss out on a better player in the second week.

No ronaldo/messi/mbappe ect, they’re only for consecutive league winners.

Keeps things competitive and on an even playing field.

Remove the links system and basically have each player grow in chemistry the more they play in the team and the system you adopt.

Each time a season ends, you get put into another league with players who’re on your skill level.

So you’re against someone elses AI controlled team for the league.

Cups could be Player Vs Player at set dates and times for cups.

Give the thing a major revamp.

[kj999]

PES 2020 is a vastly superior football experience, I dunno why anyone who wants to play an actual realistic game of football bothers with FIFA these days.
Seems Konami are going to just add an update patch to PES 2020 and focus fully on the next gen PES 2022 instead.

[Red Viper]

Last Fifa was the first one I'd bought since 2013 and I couldn't believe how bad it was. Probably the least fun I've ever had playing a video game. Think I gave it a few days of solid play to give it a chance and just gave up in the end due to how bored I was.

If they're sticking with the same engine then I won't be buying another one any time soon.

[J-Mc-]

PES 2020 is a vastly superior football experience, I dunno why anyone who wants to play an actual realistic game of football bothers with FIFA these days.
Seems Konami are going to just add an update patch to PES 2020 and focus fully on the next gen PES 2022 instead.

PES plays so much better than FIFA, it’s the lack of modes and licensing that kills it for most.

Loads can’t be arsed doing the option files (even though it’s worth it.)

[gerrardisgod]

Forget the modes and licensing, just the games menus and layout are absolutely tinpot.

Have to say, I’ve been banging that chemistry point you made, since Ultimate Team was a thing. Sadly, that would mean less packs being bought and no chance of happening. Them doing away with Seasons and Cups was a massive misstep too, there’s literally no point in having any players bar the best, I’m someone who enjoys the collecting side of it (without spending money too, real drag it is), so I’m in minority of trying new players/systems.

[BER]

PES plays so much better than FIFA, it’s the lack of modes and licensing that kills it for most.

Loads can’t be arsed doing the option files (even though it’s worth it.)

Option files don't work online though, that's why most can't be arsed?

Whatever about the gameplay on fifa(played 17 and 19 for two years so maybe they are due a decent one again). FUT just really fucks me off. The game has all these fantastic legends I want to play with but I need 5million coins to buy one or complete a challenge that would take 100hours of effort, or what they want you to do, spend money to buy packs that have less than a 1% chance of containing someone special. Roulette for kids, its disgusting.

[naYoRHa2b]

I don't mind the last few installments of FIFA. I usually get a bit burnt out with FUT but I still enjoy the odd game. I used to get both but I don't see the point anymore. Though PES might aspire to be more realistic I had less fun with it as an overall package it feels dated.

[Kuytinho]

Feel like they've missed a trick with the Squad Building Challenges. Taking out bronze and silver tournaments rendered most of the players completely useless for your team.

To turn this on its head, I'd like to see SBCs where instead of just submitting them and receiving your prize, you are entered into a tournament with the team you've built.

The reward system could be tiered over four games like in draft. You might be tempted to pay a little more for better players instead of just going for the cheapest, depending on your ability and predicted chances of winning 4-in-a-row.

I'd have a lot more fun playing with and against weird combinations like minimum 7 Swedish players, minimum 4 nationalities, minimum 11 leagues, maximum 74, or what ever.

If they released one of them per week with random matchmaking, it'd keep me interested a lot longer.

[Kloppo.GER]

What I would love to see in the new Fifa would be a cross-play option for PC, Xbox & Playstation. But I'm quite sure that will stay a dream, although many other games are able to do it...
Otherwise I will probably buy the game again although its always the same and nothing new...

[WillG.LFC]

Video out today I believe. Hopefully see something of the PS5 version

[ScouserAtHeart]

Trent's in the new Fifa 21 trailer along with Mbappe, Haaland, and Joao Felix

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/tuLAn9adQpI" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/tuLAn9adQpI</a>

[Wool]

Pro clubs is pretty much the only mode I play and it's beyond frustrating how they do the bare minimum with it just because it doesn't bring them as much money as UT etc.

[I've been a good boy]

What a shit trailer, hardly shows anything about the game

[WillG.LFC]

In their press release, EA stated: “New this year is the ability for Club Managers to customize the AI Players in their Club. You'll find a new tile under the 'manage' section in Pro Clubs, from which managers will be able to customize the visual appearance, name, and kit of the 20+ AI Players on their team.”

[BER]

They are doing away with fitness cards for FUT.

Revolutionary!

[J-Mc-]

Same game, but with added customisation it seems.

[Fabulous_aurelio]

Not played Fifa 20 for a few months. Picked it up today as I fancied a new career mode with all this new season coverage we've been seeing.

I can tell you now, I won't be giving EA any of my money for a few years. The game is fucking dog shit. It's absolutely awful. Littered with errors and glitches.

I wish Pro Evo had the licences. Its the far superior game.

[wampa1]

Will it have empty arenas?

[WillG.LFC]

Already has the etihad

[Jwils21]

Not played Fifa 20 for a few months. Picked it up today as I fancied a new career mode with all this new season coverage we've been seeing.

I can tell you now, I won't be giving EA any of my money for a few years. The game is fucking dog shit. It's absolutely awful. Littered with errors and glitches.

I wish Pro Evo had the licences. Its the far superior game.

Yeah, Fifa 20 will be the last one I get - I've had every one since Road to World Cup '98. Managed to get Leicester to the Champions League final, lost 1-0 because the opposition broke and as I held Triangle down to charge my keeper, they just sprinted on the spot like they were running through custard. A few other notable errors I've experienced:

Post match press conferences: After winning a Bundesliga game 6-0, the reporter says "Your unbeaten streak came to a close today. Are your players not good enough?"
In game commentary: Martin Tyler and Alan Smith discussing the potential retirement of a 24 year old player

The start was the worst, before they released a patch (swear it was a good couple of months) where sides in career mode would heavily and unnecessarily rotate. For example, I played against Man City and they had Carson, Garcia, Foden etc starting for no reason. The Liverpool starting XI included Lonergan, Brewster, Chirivella and Elliott with the first XI rotting in the reserves.

Can't believe they would get something so big wrong with all the testing they do. All of the focus now is on Ultimate Team, which is their cash cow and also where they get all the free publicity from divvies on YouTube.

Binning it this year. 

[Flaccido Dongingo]

PES 2020 is a vastly superior football experience, I dunno why anyone who wants to play an actual realistic game of football bothers with FIFA these days.
Seems Konami are going to just add an update patch to PES 2020 and focus fully on the next gen PES 2022 instead.

I didn't think a great deal of FIFA 20 but played it for a while anyway for my football fix, tried PES, played less than a half, laughed at its utter shittiness and uninstalled it, thank goodness it was on Gamepass

[naYoRHa2b]

Realised I could change the way you jockey to manual and it's changed alot of the game for me. Just won the CL with Liverpool on legendary against Real Madrid. Salah equalised through a pen given away by Ramos...got some small enjoyment from that 

I've pre-ordered the new one. You get a 10 percent discount if you own FIFA 20 for the ultimate edition and then the free upgrade to the PS5 so not a bad deal

[Drinks Sangria]

I've been unable to find solid confirmation of this anywhere - the next gen upgrades:

If you buy a physical copy of Fifa 21 for Xbox One, do you get another physical copy when it's available for Series X, or, as is more likely, will this contain a download code for the game on the new console?

And the same I'm assuming should you purchase it digitally initially?

I like having a physical game, but if I do plump for the Series X, it makes more sense to buy it for £45-£50 on Xbox One and download the upgraded version on the new console, than it does to buy for £65-£70 on the new machine.

[GiorgosCarraGoonies]

I've been unable to find solid confirmation of this anywhere - the next gen upgrades:

If you buy a physical copy of Fifa 21 for Xbox One, do you get another physical copy when it's available for Series X, or, as is more likely, will this contain a download code for the game on the new console?

And the same I'm assuming should you purchase it digitally initially?

I like having a physical game, but if I do plump for the Series X, it makes more sense to buy it for £45-£50 on Xbox One and download the upgraded version on the new console, than it does to buy for £65-£70 on the new machine.

You just stick your Xbox One disc into the Series X and it will download the upgraded version.

If you buy the discless Series S you're stuffed and should instead buy your Xbox One version digitally.

[Drinks Sangria]

You just stick your Xbox One disc into the Series X and it will download the upgraded version.

If you buy the discless Series S you're stuffed and should instead buy your Xbox One version digitally.

Thanks. I'm more likely to go for the mainline console than the Series S, so would potentially suit me.